Yes we are born naked and therefore should all go naked?
If you want to, then why not..? Outlawing clothes is not apart of my argument, the choice is.
We are also born with the ability to have sex with anyone, should we then have intercourse with our parents, children, siblings? To satisfy our desires is only natural isn't it?
Having sex with anyone seems a bit ludicrous don't you think? No I don't believe we should eat other people, fornicate with whomever or rape children.
The choice to be clothed or not is simply a choice that would physically effect the nude person, and possibly visually upset a viewer.
There are boundaries which humans follow, being clothed is not truly one of them. I have spent nearly entire days nude with my wife, am I an animal? No, the need for clothes simply wasn't present. There are nude beaches all over the world. Why? Because people like to be naked sometimes, it allows for optimal tanning. Are these people barbarians? No, simply people that choose to not wear clothes. There are entire nudist colonies that simply go about unclothed, and guess what; they continue to live just fine and just as humans.
The difference between wearing or not wearing clothing and murdering someone for their flesh are so utterly different from each other to link them together in a form of 'my argument is complete chaos' is insane. What I am suggesting already exists, just not in a blanket sense. Only in small areas. Where nudity is accepted in many places across the civilized world, I know not of a single one where cannibalism and rape are.
I would never condone bullying under any circumstance as it can be completely traumatizing.
But I was harshly bullied by my older brothers as a kid, and I have to say that because of them military life ( whether it be deployments or just basic training ) has been somewhat easier than had I not gotten my ass kicked repeatedly by them.
I don't get how the trap he fell into was an obvious one, past tense was used in the rebuttal where Poisonous said that they should be presently ruling the world and the rebut to that was And... that is exactly what we did. Which puts the implication that England no longer runs the world ( which it doesn't ), which was Poisonous' point.
How it was a trap is completely unbeknownst to me, as the rebut was solidifying Poison's argument.
Being arrested for being nude in public is like someone telling you that you can't think.
In fact it is not, people are not arrested for performing an intangible process that is only perceivable to the one conceiving the intangible process. Being arrested for being nude in public is just someone breaking the law by doing something illegal. And if laws are not upheld then what kind of society do you want to live in?
"i don't want to be a fat naked obese man or woman." Why? It is due to the fact that it is unpleasant.
Who wants to be fat? I would actually go so far as to say people don't want to be fat due to health reasons. Which is probably why obesity is a major health topic, not because people don't like the way fat people look; more so due to fat people developing health issues in a general sense.
If there was a law that nudism would be allowed, we will all get used to it mentally eventually.
Humans do have a tendency to adapt.
Am i right? lol
Well if someone doesn't want to wipe down their seat with a sanitary napkin or put a towel down then that is their own fault for contracting a disease by sitting on a chair. Drinking chlorine, lead paint, paint, ink, Drain-O, and many other substances will kill you, but they are not illegal to purchase. Same concept. If nudity is legal, then people can do something stupid and sit on a dirty bus seat without cleaning it and contract a disease ( <-- that would be stupid ) or a relatively intelligent nude could simply put a towel down on the seat or clean the seat off.
Im saying "Yes" because nudism is a natural right. How? I can't really prove that. We are born naked. And wearing clothes as a law doesn't seem right to me.
Then why are you arguing with me about proving points, when you make a statement in a factual format and follow it by stating that it is something you can't prove?
We as human beings can survive without clothes, being born without them kind of reiterates that.
Of course we are also born without food and water, but we are born into caring hands that have the intellect and ability to obtain those necessities.
Clothes are not necessarily a necessity, food and water are; therefore I come to my opinionated conclusion that nudism should be accepted in public as it is our human body in its most natural state, whether or not someone chooses to act upon the option of public nudity ( if it were in fact legal ) then let that be their choice, equally allowing people to wear clothes if they wanted too.
What would make sense if God was real and He told us that it was ok to choose whether we want to wear clothes or not.
No. That does not make sense but let me tell you what would: if God was real and we were born with clothes and God said we ought to have clothes on in public. Then I might go ahead and side with keeping nudity illegal.
But because we don't have that form of basis, you cannot make your judgement.
What in the world are you talking about? Just to let you know, judgement is synonymous with opinion so please answer me this: how can one not make an opinion?
In other words, what evidence is there to prove what you stated?
I don't need evidence to prove my personal opinion on the matter, given that it is my opinion and that I wasn't trying to sway anyone. The question asked of me my opinion. You disagree with my opinion which is fine, but I still have made my judgement and that is: nudism should be accepted publicly.
Why is the fact that we are born with no clothes gives us the choice to wear clothes or not wear clothes at all?
Mate... we are not born with clothes, so if clothes were not available for one ( hypothetically and please bare with me ) to wear then one would not have the choice and would simplistically not wear clothes at all. However in the current society most live in ( Bush Tribes for example don't always wear clothes ) it is now something relatively everyone does.
My rational on the matter ( that you agreed with relatively ) where you said "that agrees with my common sense" is simplistically that we were not born with clothes, therefore we should have the choice to wear them.
What would make them absolute contradictions if i was one hundred percent completely on either one of the positions.
Your position is unclear due to you being on both sides...
I don't live on the equator, and that is completely unrelated.
The weather of the public place in which someone chooses nudity is not what is in question, nor is the question suggesting wearing clothes be illegal. It is asking if nudity ought to be accepted in a general sense. As in your next door neighbor goes out to get a newspaper without any clothes on, and that is legal. Whereas you can choose between both. The point isn't whether or not it is ridiculously cold outside, it is whether or not it should be permissible.
The question isn't whether or not clothes should be outlawed, it is whether or not any given person should be permitted to be in public without any clothes on.
If you place a baby, unclothed, in extreme weather it is going to to certainly not thrive as well as it would if it had clothes. I am glad we are both in agreement that extreme cold, and a lack of clothing do not positively correlate with any given persons well-being.
I appreciate you not downvoting me.
Let me rephrase what I said: Considering we were not born with clothes, we should not be mandated to wear them. Hopefully my revamped argument is now more synonymous and understandable to what I already said (in your eyes of course).
Those are definitely views to consider.
Here is the ideal situation: wearing clothes is not mandated. Wearing clothes is a choice. People can choose whether or not they want to wear clothes. Those sentences are all quite related to each other. One might even go so far as to say they are saying the same thing. But of course you might have some form of idea to contribute (i.e. a different way to say what was already said ).
So this debate which asks a simplistic yes or no question based off of opinion was answered by myself with the simplistic answer of ( essentially ): I believe nudism should be accepted in public as a choice.
Now you might have noticed that I have reworded my opinion on the manner several times, as I can only hope that you understand my viewpoint is not that wearing clothes should be illegal ( as that is not what the question asked of me nor is it what I said ) but that wearing clothes ought to be a choice.
"There are views to consider. One view is that people have the natural choice to wear clothes.
The other view is a contradiction to the first view."
That my good sir, is complete genius. I am glad you explained to me that there are differentiating views in existence and not only that but that these multiple views don't agree with each other in a complete sense.
Since I usually don't downvote people, I won't downvote you. I hope you think real hard about your next rebuttal if your next response is in fact a rebuttal ( considering your own position on the matter is unclear ), presumably you ought to be able to do that considering your enlightened thought process and that your name and picture is of the statue by Rodin which represents the ideology of thought.
Until then, I'll be back in a couple of weeks to check up on ya.
Why do people have such a greater disapproval of my post opposed to yours?
I would think they would have attacked the comment which is not only the highest, but made an argument that is wholly more blunt; that there is 'no good reason to outlaw it'. I mean I completely agree with you mate, I just don't understand why nobody is posting their dispositions towards your position :(
In today's military I don't think you realize what kind of women actually choose to enlist, the women that choose to do are stronger than the men that choose not too. Women aren't weak in combat situations, I'm personally in the military and I have never had to second guess whether or not the woman next to me is going to defend my life or question whether or not the woman will be able to cut it. The women that find themselves in combat situations are women that have prepared the same as men for them, and if they are unable to make the cut they don't make the cut ( just as men don't ).
There are special op women that could kick my ass, battle wheathered or not. Women may have been nurturers in the past, but everyone is different. Just as some men would rather play video games all day opposed to serving their country, some women only want to serve their country. And if they are stronger mentally, spiritually, and (in some cases) physically I'd rather have them by my side opposed to some guy who barely made it through boot camp and who was forced to enlist whom has no sense of pride for his country and isn't willing to give his life up for me.
"Measuring 46 meters in all, the tower represents the age of the earth, with each centimetre equating to 1 million years and with, at the tower’s base, a tiny band of gold a mere millimetre thick standing for mankind’s time on earth.The Temple is dedicated to the idea of perspective, which is something we’re prone to lose in the midst of our busy modern lives."
I actually find the idea in itself interesting, but I also find it extremely peculiar. I have no problem with a building which represents Atheism within itself, but it just for some reason reminds me of George Orwell's 1984.
Good question.
Actually yes, when I first started to use this site I was a church going Christian. Of course I had to put up with being forced to go to church, nonetheless I still held no reason to disbelieve any of the information I was given.
However roughly 3 or 4 years ago: after defending myself with the most simplistic arguments, and trying to make my arguments sound better with the usage of tons of metaphors, I came to the realization several weeks later as I looked back on the highest grossing and oldest debate this site had and started reading through all the arguments those whom disbelieved in God had to say ( this was of course after I argued endlessly with Xaeon ) I came to the realization that God might not exist. I started contemplating whether or not what I had been taught for all these years had any true basis. Then I eventually went with the side of uncertainty, and that is where I remain today. Agnostic Theist or whatever you decide to name it, regardless of other peoples opinion: God to me sounds awesome, if heaven does indeed exist I will repent and beg for forgiveness. However if it doesn't I will simply pass on this life and see what death is really like when that day comes.
But I would have to say that ultimately this website and the arguments posted on it regarding whether or not God existed changed my belief.
