"LOL...the concept is, moron, guilty until proven innocent. It's one of the basis of the founding our our nation BTW."- facepalm American CITIZENS, CITIZENS! Not insurgents.
"You've successfully proven my point very nicely...that torture is NOT an effective way of interrogating people, period end of story."- So? Do you think we honestly use it for info? Hehehehe. If you noticed, I googled that, hee. I wouldn't use something that I found on google as an argument. Don't believe me? Google "torture is effective"
"Wrong again wing-nut. As I've pointed out to you numerous times now, torture is illegal under both U.S. AND International Law, and there are NO exceptions to this prohibition."- You must be stupid, which is something I can't fix. SELF DEFENSE! Google it if you have to. Man.
"Once again, you back up my point that there are ZERO, legal exceptions to when someone can be tortured, period.'- I said it earlier, self defense. You said nothing against it.
"Another Right-wing opinion piece being passed off as "fact"...ugh...learn to know the difference between stating FACTS & merely unsupported opinions, moron."- I've never laughed so hard in real life. All right wing opinions are wrong? So much for un-biased! And these "facts" you get, I've noticed, from the same sources, left-wing papers and news. When you get BOTH sides of the stories, I'll listen and take this seriously.
"Alan Dershowitz is a well-known appologist for the Right-wing. His opinions mean nothing to me."- Right Wing is always wrong? The all powerful left wing is always correct? Pfff. You've only gone to CNN and BBC sources, both KNOWN for left-wing biased opinions. Fox News is also biased, conservatively.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1942948.ece
http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/
Timesonline is somewhat biased.
But media research is FACT. I do wish they did something on Fox News, though.
But I digress.
Bring terrorists into the US isn't right. For the safety of us,and them. I think Copenhagen proved when people have probelms, they get angry.
Also, it may not be effective(you got me there, pretty good) but the US and everyone will use it. As you know laws, not matter how serious, are always going to be abused. No matter how "immoral" it may be, it will always be abused.
And torture is EFFECTIVE in small cases, like if you're protecting your family. But internationally it is not. I never said it was justified national, actually, I never specified.
Your smarter than I thought. :)
You mad?
"i think i nailed the truth behind your identity"- then who am I?
"Why dont you leave the sight! Since your so perfect, what possible knowledge could you gain from being here?"- spell SITE right. I want to learn as much as possible.
"Myself ? I hope, to learn a lot from the worthy people that do exist here." - What? You learn?
"Now i wont entertain you any further,your keyboard must be getting sticky" - I laughed pretty hard.
"There are no costs to banning gay marriage? Tell that to the people who can't get married."- I mean economically.
"Emissions is most certainly not "a load of bullshit". The IPCC is full of highly qualified efforts who state that it is a serious problem. The people who question it are for the most part are politically or financially motivated, or they are informed by people who are."- I get informed by all sources. I'll post roof that global warming is fake, emissions don't do much regarding Temparature, but in regards to health it is.
Proof Global Warming is fake:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamY
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2009/
http://www.grist.org/article/
I may post more later.
"This makes no sense whatsoever. These people apparently perpetrated crimes against the USA, and they should be tried in the USA as a result."
No.They shouldn't. Especially if they get citzens rights. Why do they deserve them?
"Wrong again moron. The USA has had dozens & dozens of terrorists safely in custody in prisons right here in the USA with ZERO escapes, period."
You have no proof of that, "moron".
But, prisoners have escaped from prison! I thought we were the US. Never lax, which is what you seem to be.
"No, I'm not "a terrorist", and I do think that the lame-ass Right-wing blather that tries to justify illegally torturing people is a complete & total joke."- So, killing innocent Americans results in American rights? You must be on crack.
"...and who belongs to the UN?? Please...nothing officially happens in the UN without the explicit support of the USA, period."- COUGH IRAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM COUGH If you respond to this and nothing else, you're retarded and don't know the subject os this debate.
"No such "beatings" occurred at all in this incident. In fact, the U.S. prisoners were treated well in general, with the exception of being interrogated at all hours...which led to some lack of sleep. The disassembled EP-3 was released by China on July 3, 2001, and was returned to the USA, where it was eventually reassembled & returned to duty."
Quit saying "period", it's not helping you.
But on another note, don't you know Chinese interrogation methods?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/
But on to GITMO, the true subject of this debate.
Waterboarding is indeed torture, I never said it wasn't, but torture in this case, is rational, according to SIMPLE laws. Self Defense, we defend the country with it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/03/
:O GOP DIDN'T LIE, ZOMG!!!! CNN SAID IT WAS RATIONAL!
HA!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050530/
http://www.debate.org/debates/
I can post links too. Links that prove you wrong, by the way.
Other people think different than typical liberal idiots(like yourself), even other liberals do.
Also, torture isn't the first method of interrogation. And thats what you kept blindly posting about before you changed the subject.
"There are currently 37 states here in the U.S. that allow the possession of automatic weapons. The requirements are that you submit an application to BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco &, Firearms & Explosives. As part of that application a complete criminal background investigation is done and you must submit a set of current fingerprints as part of the process.(Finger Prints fee's vary from $15-$20 depending on the state of residence)
Once approved, you will be required to pay a one-time fee of $200 for a Federal Tax Stamp per weapon (There are NO, REPEAT NO additional FEE'S,Dealer's Licenses or anything additional required!!)
With the GCA of 1986 (Gun Control Act) Civilians are not allowed to posess fully automatic weapons unless they were manufactured prior to 1986. The weapons manufactured before 1986 are "Grandfathered" meaning they can still be LEGALLY transfered thru a licensed/bonded Class III NFA Weapons Dealer.NO fully automatic weapons made after 1968 are legal for civilians to own or possess.
In addition the permit once issued requires that the permit be with the registered licensed weapon at all times and especially when transported. You must also show proof that the registered weapon is stored in a safe or locked container that meets BATFE guidelines. Issuing the Permit also allows BATFE to make a personal inspection of your residence or storage area once annually.(Usually announced prior by appointment)
Several states have their own state restrictions or laws of ownership for these weapons and a person who is licensed with the weapon is subject to the state laws of any state he visits or may travel through.
If you can find a grandfathered AK-47 or M-16 you can technically purchase it but they are extremely rare and quite expensive......You would be better suited to pick something easier to obtain"
My good friend JD explains it all.
But still, he has changed the subject. Most people prefer not to use automatic weapons, 90% said so in a poll by Waterfowler. So, since most people prefer semi-auto's and single shots, no one really cares about that ban. You might be able to say what you said to Iraqis, Misterguy. If you want to see the form, I posted a link. No lisence required to own a SEMI AUTO or SINGLE SHOT firearm.
Like lawnman said,
His argument is completely fallacious.
I think he is in the 6th grade.
"lol, why Australia?
Anyway, if there's more cost than benefit to cutting emissions, then cutting emissions is not the right thing to do, is it? And we should not do it."- I get what you're picking at, but it's all in opinion when it comes to things such as gay marriage, so there is no real "right thing to do". There are no costs or benefits of it.
Emissions is a load bullshit, so it's not a good topic to realate to. And it has to deal with statistics, not opinion. Such as the hottest year on record is 1935. And they weren't freaking out. Anyway, before i start ranting.
I don't support gay marriage, by the way. I don't really care for it, as long as they can't get married by the Catholic Church, otherwise I would leave the only sane type of Christianity.
"AND I WILL SAY-"ARE YOU A DOUBLE-DIPPING TROLL" ? ---YOU ONLY JOINED UNDER AN HOUR AGO!---SO HOW HAVE YOU SAID THIS TO ME BEFORE?, UNLESS YOU JUST SAW SOMETHING I WROTE AND YOU DECIDED TO CREATE ANOTHER ACCOUNT CAUSE THINGS WERENT GOING YOUR WAY....."
You really misinterpret things. I was just simply repeating myself. Yes, I haven't heard of this site until I got banned from all the good *chans.
"I do recall, but only a very few ,actually only two people have said that to me in the whole time ive been here on cd."- So? I just did.
We might have met on 4chan, before I got permantley banned for "Excessive Trolling", so yes, I am a troll.
But please, stay on subject.
"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. "
They also defend the Constitution, that's their PRIORITY. Not obeying the President, although it is in there have to. If it abides with military code.
It's their job to DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION. Not follow the orders of the Congress or the President, unless it breaks military code, of course.
"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. "
I think you're mentally retarded.
"Not always I don't. It's just completely & totally obvious that you are willing to shill for your beloved GOP no matter what the facts are."-
Obviously so. You posted NY Times and Washington Post links. Liberal papers. What facts has the GOP messed with? They've been reported what you're beloved CNN and NBC have been reporting, most of the time, with MORE detail. Once again, you contradict yourself.
"No, it's called following the law...you should try it sometime, moron." -He can't defend his family? Wow, you must be LONELY. Also, self-defense, is defined as
"Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances." So, torture, as long as you are defending yourself or another, i.e. the COUNTRY, its perfectly legal, if you want to go in a techincality(yeah, i know its spelled wrong), Gitmo torture was perfectly legal, because we were defending our country.
"Because what happens to him can happen to you or I or anyone else. When our govt. willfully violates both U.S. and International Law, no one is really safe."- Explain, because that was just ad hodiem(nonsense).
"LOL...of course you do, since you've demonstrated that you don't know the first thing about this entire issue!"- Neither do you, Mr. LOL.
"No, it really isn't. Experts are in basically universal agreement that torturing people just causes people to try & give the answers that they think their torturers want, period."-
With your improper grammer, I can't see what you are trying to convey. Toture does work, the Iraqi's would know, Operation Desert Storm, the British were tortured. And got some answers. They still lost, but it proves that toture CAN work. (Source: Military Channel)Not that it always does. Also, Camp Douglas, torture was used to get info and soldiers, meaning torture WORKS.
"No, it's EXACTLY the issue that we're talking about! What we were originally told about these "enhanced interrogation techniques" (AKA completely illegal torture) was that as soon as someone was waterboarded that they spilled all their beans. However, the TRUTH is that this was a complete & total lie. You don't use a failed torture technique literally dozens & dozens of time on the exact same person because it "works", moron."- You have no un-biased proof of that. I proved my point in the paragraph above. Camp Douglas. Tis all.
"Of course there is, moron. You are trying, unsuccessfully BTW, to spin the Right-wing tale that torturing people "saved lives", which has been completely & totally disproven, period end of story."- You have no un-biased proof of that. It DOES save lives, it gets info about military operations, ending wars quicker, example, I've said it multiple times, Camp Douglas. Oh yeah, quit use shortened terms such as "BTW", say the full thing.
"No, he had NO useful information, and this is according the officials records of what the Bush Regime has already said about him!"-BUSH REGIME????? Still blaming Bush for everything, huh? Typical liberal idiot. There are some SMART liberals you know. You disgrace the democrats.
"You really are a BOLD-FACED LIAR sirius...I dunno how you think that you're going to get away with that nonsense here either. The gig is up moron."- I say the same to you.
"...which is exactly what I've already done, moron, since I've successfully refuted ever, single lie that you've told in this thread, period end of story. The continued fact that you can't even realize it is all that more satisfying at this end...lol!"- God, your repitive use of unitelligent terms such as "lol" and "dunno" make use sound like an idiot. What lies have you refuted? Without biased news, of course. By the way, this isn't a thread, it's a debating site.
Hehehehehe.
"Because pwning you is just so much fun"- Oh God, this is a debate site. Not 4chan. Also, cool story.
""moron...lol...you lose, again..."- Protip: Don't use lol. Makes you sound very unintelligent.
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Responses to what you said, Sirius.
"you must be a really cool guy. Maybe you should go pwn some more noobs. lol "- He's an idiot. I can tell you're the troll in this situation, and he's the "n00b". Only ""noobs" respond to trolls.
(Quoted from knowyourmeme)
"i never lost in the first place. You are going to have to do more than tell me im a stupid republican in order to actually "win" against me."- He's what he would call, "butthurt and pwned".
"No, it isn't, period."
Pure fallacies. Explain.
"First of all, as I've already pointed out to you moron, the USA already has many, many terrorists in its prison system. Secondly, who ever said that guards were killing Gitmo detanees??"- I meant to say Camp Douglas, that was my bad.
"It's in the many responses that I've already given in this very thread, moron."- Biased news is not proof. Just biased bullshit.
"Why?? NYC is one of the scenes of the crime!" They don't deserve this country if they want to destroy it.
"This is just blind fear-mongering. No terrorist has ever escaped from U.S. custody, period."- Because they were in.....guess what.....ANOTHER COUNTRY. Any idiot would know that.
LOL...thanks for admitting that no one at Gitmo has been accused of "stuffing bombs into babies and throwing them at soldiers", period end of story."
Killing babies is basically the same. Don't use lol if you're trying to sound intelligent.
"What does that have to do with this discussion?? You are quoting points of history where the law was explicitly violated!"
Actually a lot. I was saying its not smart to put prisoners in America, becuase the guards would want to kill them, like they did in Gitmo, so thats why the mini gitmo wont work.
"This is sheer & utter nonsense, period." explain. Cool story, by the way.
"No, you really don't."- Where's yours?
Myth One is right, but the others....
Myth 2: Tobacco is poison to the body and therefore is morally wrong.
Counter Argument
(1) Smoking stimulates open-mindedness as it allows conservatives to interact with risk takers and to explore alternative philosophies to life.
(2) Smoking can be a catalyst in aiding people to be more focused on socially positive attitudes by taking a stance advocating quality of life vs economical productivity
Myth 3: Smoking is bad for your health:Yeah, it is.
(1) It prevents mental illnesses by providing an outlet for stress:True, but it harms your body, called video games or trolling.
(2) It protects you from worser addictions such as:
- sexual addiction leading to rape:How?
- heroin addiction leading to broken homes:How?
I hate to say no.
It does indeed kill, and deform babies. Believe me, I want none of it. But considering the numbers of acohol users when was banned makes me think that banning it will do no good. Banning acohol started gangs, and caused an underground industry to arise, and the government got no share. That's why they unbanned it, to get money, it's heartless, I know, but it's fact. As long as the government is making money from it, they won't ban it. I have friends who smoke tobacco, saying they want to quit. We need to start showing more and more programs to quit, to drain out the tobacco industry, and we won't have to ban it.
