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Outstanding... Dead on... You could not have said it more clearly. Thanks!

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Thanks Fromwithin. I had more or less concluded the same. But I must admit, I thought just maybe he would break and respond with some level of reason. I have now banned him.

Marine_Sgt(29) Clarified
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Help me better understand your position.

It is a fact that there is hardly a country in the world that you will not be arrested and detained if you chose to cross its boarders illegally. That’s not just the United States, both Canada and Mexico have similar laws.

As is the case in most countries, if you break the law, you are subject to arrest. Illegally crossing a county’s boarder is no small issue. It's hardly the same as J-walking. In nearly all cases and in nearly every country, you are going to be separated from your children when you are arrested. Domestically, American Citizens are arrested every day for committing crimes. And when that happens, they are separated from their families.

As to those seeking asylum, there are legal provisions for them and done legally they will not be separated from their families. The only people being separated from their families are those that attempted to come into the country or stay in the country illegally.

So, the question I posse is, should a person that enters the country illegally (they broke the law), be arrested and separated from their family just as an American citizen can be arrested and separated from their families if they break the law?

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I've never felt that the banks "had me by the balls". In fact they are lending money at a very low cost at this time.

So help me understand, just how have the banks compromised you and how would you change the system of banking to a better one?

Marine_Sgt(29) Clarified
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I asked a very reasonable question. Not once have I questioned your intelligence. Not once have I used profanity on you.

Give me a straight answer (yes or no).

Do you think a person that breaks a law, be they an American citizen or not, should they be arrested and separated from their family.

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Anyone that commits a crime can and in most cases should be separated from their children. As an american citizen, if you shoplift or drive intoxicated you can be arrested and separated from your children. Being arrested in this country or any country for breaking the law commonly means you will be separated. So either you have laws regarding our boarders or you don't.

Or are you suggesting that anyone that breaks the laws of the land and has children should not be separated from them? No... there is another option.... The whole family can go to jail together. Can you imagine what our county jails would look like if the entire the families was put in jail with their father, who got arrested for drunk driving?

Se, so separating the kids.

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So well said. So dead on.

When will the left, the Democrats, the liberals, accept and acknowledge that most of the time, those that are living in poverty are poor because of their own personal poor choices?

For many of them, they started making bad choices as teens. Dropping out of school, unplanned pregnancy, remaining single while having children they can’t afford, spending beyond their means, drug use, committing crimes, these are all personal choices. Statistically, these are the ones that are poor, the ones living in poverty.

Indisputable and all a consequence of personal choice.

Marine_Sgt(29) Clarified
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Not once did I suggest people "volunteer to be poor", those are your words not mine.

My position is that the majority of those that end up in poverty are there because they made poor life decisions.

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"Everyone works for the banks"? That's a rather bizarre statement.

I have no recall of ever working for a bank. No one in my family has ever worked for one. Maybe you have? Do you also work for the credit card companies? If a family member lent you money, do you work for them?

Banks do provide services that include loans used to fund the purchase of homes, buy a car or maybe start a business. But there is no obligation or requirement that you must use their services. But assuming you do chose to, are you saying that paying back money lent to you by a bank means you work for them?

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There is no escaping the cold hard fact that when a person lives their life making smart strategic decisions they will be more likely to have a more financial secure future. And those that make poor decisions in life more often than not end up with less.

To what degree do you credit people for their successes and to what degree do you hold people liable for their failures? Do you honestly believe your own successes and failures were just dumb luck and or misfortune?

Your suggesting that you do not think this is true?

Marine_Sgt(29) Clarified
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Please help me understand what this has to do with the debate regarding why most people are living in poverty.

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Interesting that you bring up the military. I'll assume you just saw the same news piece I did. The particular family that was featured on the news is a family of 6 and lives on $34,000. That's the husbands pay only. It's assumed in the news piece that his wife has chosen not to work and prefers to stay home while the kids are in school.

The husband has a rank of E4. This is a rank more typically held by a 19 or 20 year old single first time enlistee. Clearly there is more to this picture and story. The man has no business fathering four children knowing his limited income. Further why does he have a rank more often held by a teenager... I'd call that personal choice and personal failure.

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At no point in this debate did I suggest that I want anyone to die. I am only suggesting that woman as well as men should both be required to register for the draft and be subject to the draft.

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If you look into the actual numbers, 13.7% is the approximate number of US households that are living in poverty. However , that number drops to just 4.9% of all households that have both the husband and wife present. If you remove from that number those that are felons and those that chose to drop out of High School, the number drops to 2.6%. The number drops to extremely low levels if you remove from the number those that chose to to develop any marketable skills, those that choose not to smoke and those that are not alcoholics.

All of the above are personal decisions. How do you blame society and capitalism for the problem when all of the above are consequences of person decisions?

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I don't believe either you or I believe that the majority of those in poverty are retarded. Therefore they have self determination and they have failed themselves.

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I don't believe either you or I believe that the majority of those in poverty are retarded. Therefore they have self determination and they have failed themselves.

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You are certainly right, capitalism does produce winners and losers. This debate is not that there will not be losers, rather it is about why some people become losers. My position is that they become losers not because of capitalism, but rather because of their own personal bad choices in life.

Regarding personal choice, Here are just a few of the more significant and common poor choices that leads to poverty:

1) Not securing an education that provides marketable skills. Most notably this would be those that drop out of High School one of the more significant factors that contribute poverty. Also, But to a lessor degree those that choose not to gain a specialized marketable skill. This includes post graduate schooling, But also includes OJT job skills such as carpenter, Plumber, Welder etc. The later requiring little to no cash investment.

2) A very significant percentage of those that are living in poverty produced (had) children at an early age. This often leads to a lack of education, An inability to work and a dependence on social program.

3) Those living in poverty are far more likely to be a single adult household. As to the reason the person is single, that may have be personal preference or it may have been a consequence of bad judgement. It is none the less a personal determination.

For the sake of not making this overly complicated, I will choose not to address, Alcoholism, Smoking, Use of drugs, Convictions of crime, Laziness, Etc. All of these are personal choice items. Let me just say that the percent of those living in poverty that have graduated from high school, Have secured a marketable skill and chose not to have children until they could support them is is extremely low.

Regarding my position that it is not societies fault that the individual lives in poverty:

I will very quickly agree that many of those living in poverty (not all) grew up in families and in areas that provided few good role models. However, I clearly stated "Society" and in that context, I am referring to what society may or may not have done to cause certain people to make the very poor decisions they made that put them in poverty. I believe it would be nearly impossible to convince those that critique this debate that the country or the state itself caused those that are living in poverty to get pregnant at 16, Drop out of high school, Never gain a marketable skill and remain an unmarried single person living on welfare. Set aside the other endless list of poor decisions that lead to poverty.

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The vast majority of the 39.1 million people in the United States that are unable to adequately support themselves and are living in poverty are not victims of society. Rather they live as do by personal choice and or as a consequence of making poor life decisions.

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Currently only men are required to register for the Selective Service (The Draft). Like men, Women should also be required register for the Selective Service. Additionally, Women like men, Should be subject to any position assigned to them (MOS (Military Occupation Specialty) in military terminology) just as men are.

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No not at all. However I find it interesting that the few I have heard say they believe this would happen were all very religions people. Phyc that one out.....?



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