There are states that have been actively attempting to disarm the populace for years and this bill represents a major step toward that goal in that within it's guidelines it not only renders illegal any preceding ammunition of the previous 500 years but also places additional financial/ compliance obstacles in the public process where government workers have no such traps.
Power in America is supposed to be 'by and for the people',
What if the people told governments that the governments ammunition would be based on the workers families financial/ compliance ...?
No loaded weapon = no authority
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/
Bio fuels currently produce more problems they are attempting to solve. algae is the only 'bio product' that can provide the needs of humanity without stressing food stock.
http://www.greenchipstocks.com/aqx_p/
How is possibly extinguishing all life , not irrational?! Please correct me but even I realize that a fraction of a second after the big bang ...there was no life ..I think as I read the paper.
"The Large Hadron Collider as it is called; will start up it's massive particle accelerator on September 10Th. .....They are looking for a sub atomic component the Higgs Boson known as "the God particle" that will fill in the last missing piece of the so-called Standard Model of particle physics.....!!"
When a quick question to the paper is made , as to "why is there no mention of types of risks?' ;
"...risk is unpredictable..blah blah.....click"
Trying to have a lucid response reminds me of,Ken Magid's 1989 book, "High Risk: Children Without A Conscience" Which has many twists but also talks about, If we get enough of the right kind of love, we feel that others are generally good, that they can be trusted, that they're like ourselves. If we don't get enough of the right kind of love, life feels cold to us, it feels unsafe and insecure, others cannot be trusted.
Rage, begins to build in my mind.Yeah thanks I think . The general public will not be aware of the level of risk, the night before they may tuck their children to bed for the last time...I slowly hang up the phone.
Perhaps its a self-deluded vestige of an earlier time in my life when I was young and naive and optimistic and less cynical -- but I don't believe that anyone deliberately chooses to impede another innocent person, or would not harm another person if he fully considered all the consequences of his actions. It's a blatant violation of "common" rationality....or is it?
We learn to hide our emotions at such a young age. Yet, when we express them too strongly, we also run the risk of going a bit berserk and losing control. Its a fine line we walk but people should know what risk they face as a group/nation/race
My own irrational behavior -- none of which, fortunately, has been criminal --I think , i hope... I can see why I behaved as I did, why I would override every other rational consideration for ...that time. If we took my own eccentricities and amplified them a little, as they would have been had my upbringing been influenced a little more one way or another than it was, I could see how some of that behavior could become..., ahem.. criminal. I learned this the hard way. It wouldn't necessarily have been bad parents -- but just the decisions I might have made under certain stressful situations.
Some may say all of our behavior is ultimately reactive -- I guess I'm calming down... either on a pure hardware scale, like getting physically hurt, or on a software scale, reacting to a self-created psychological environment that's just as cause / effect driven as the purely physical.
That simple call ....
It's all perception, NOT BLAME-no right/wrong. There's always just enough truth underlying any conclusion to justify them in some way. That's the thing about the brain -- something doesn't have to be True to become advantageous to your own survival. Atheism - a non prophet organization. It only has to be True Enough. The brain operates not on what's True, but rather on what works
Not being aware of the risk is deterministic as it is in the purely physical domain -- but the domain in which the determinism occurs is a psychological domain, a domain of virtual or personally manufactured realities.Challenge 'us' to accept reality! There's still cause / effect going on, but there is now a whole range of imaginary causes and imaginary effects, in addition to "real" causes and effects, that produce a huge number of possible behaviors.Could this dream called life end for all , not just a few?Challenge 'us' to know the truth of our fragility...at least out of respect.
Well, if we are more civilized than our predecessors (that's probably reasonably debatable in either direction), then hope that our offspring will be more civilized than we are.... Overall, we certainly hope that our collective knowledge is growing in scope and depth, .... that one day will coalesce into an effective wisdom and may result in a more enlightened society. Whether that's actually true.... is something we have to wait to find out. Make the most of everyday! May I suggest ,making a wish in the evening of Sept.9Th..?
There are many aspects of 'news' the 'media' manipulates. Overall the public doesn't question the information presented ; which shows the true 'sphere of influence'. People should create laws to limit the extent many media organizations are going to , for profit .....as the majority of the masses are unaware; first impressions are a b.tch.
To stir feelings of human dignity... I rarely feel these days...
It is no wonder we seek the meaning of life because there are times it sure can seem meaningless. 'Meaninglessness' is an other emotion that can accommodate many conditions and connotations...........despair, depression, sadness, fear etc. The events that gave rise to feelings one might initially impart 'meaninglessness' but in reality can be categorized with more precision given a little reflection.
We live through innumerable and painful crises building an emotional history; only to smash our precious emotional memories on the rocks of the eternal...and die... conveys despair or depression. It may, as well, be expressing sadness at a senseless occurrence, something for which nothing in life could have adequately prepared ourselves.Is it some insane joke?
We tie ourselves down because we were brainwashed to over value our emotions and see no escape, no solutions. Choosing to focus upon relationships in lieu of simply things requires much self discipline. We settle for the illusion of security such as having our needs nominally met -- shelter and food.
We are like the circus elephants; believing that a mere chain can hold us in place for the purposes of those who would use us to death and then discard us. But in reality, just like the circus elephant, one tug and the chain shows itself for what it really is, nothing at all. We were lied to as babies to believe the straw man to be strong powerful and almighty, when in reality, all the straw man is, is an evil weakling controlling us through our own ignorance.
If one isn't nesting...Time to remove the 'straw' .
Under normal circumstances we strive to take a painless path in life to find that no such path exists. We also hope that path is one that gives us a majority of happiness and given normal circumstances the great majority find this path satisfactory, not painless but well supplied with happiness and/or peace.
The human spirit is a funny but admirable thing and I know of many who consider their lives blessed by others and the natural joy that seems to pervade the personality of some .
Implicit is the underlying notion that emotion is unwinding, socially, professionally... or Is it a 'devolution' in human 'progress'? Insensitive and deficient compassion produces more often, tangible results.
Our pursuit of answers has provided us with great advances in our intellectual inquiries..........science and technology to name two. But we can include the vast realm of human concepts...A high degree [relatively] of self-consciousness enables us to ask such questions.
We 'ask', presenting our ignorance of 'why' and 'how'. Not with our emotions......... but even that; is only the emotional opinion of a grumpy old man 'Fighting terrorism since 1492' ;)
"There is something in the heart of man that things cannot satisfy." ....Thomas Carlyle
Some seek answers in the metaphysical realm to find a kind of solace and deliverance from the implacable indifference exhibited by Nature and the Universe as a whole, by, in fact, all of existence. We are a part of the whole . We are made of the same stuff as the 'unemotional' Universe.
I find that as wonderful and satisfying a feeling as I imagine a western theist finds in his/her glimpses of some supernatural phenomenon....
Personally I find it disrespectful to all involved to use inductive fallacy as a point of reasoning. In other words; to assume and act as if an assumption is true. Kinda like a cop with poor inquisitive skills.
A friend says it is a way to tell who was raised by media;cop shows,game shows, drama...... I don't fully agree.
It may show the importance of assumptions but to ask the right questions respectfully is still up to the individual.
When governments no longer use weapons as an effective tool, then the people might consider giving up such things. But when each and every government uses guns to not only assert their authority but to also acquire more property makes asking the people to ignore this fact of life and take a passive role in their own future...highly dubious.
Authority comes in one form on this planet, that is regrettably, with a weapon in ones hand ; MAD mutual assured destruction. How willing is a thief when they think the victim may be armed?
Odd how it is commonly overlooked that not one country would exist without guns.
Chuckles , I don't think I said anything was 'wrong' with same sex activity, but just because there are two females doesn't make it any less qualified as,(SAME SEX) homosexual activity. Observing such behavior does nothing for my libido and just cause others find it erotic doesn't mean it is not homosexual activity, or homosexual 'porn'; same sex fills both criteria. ( pardon the pun)
Truth is a subjective term. What may be true, here and now may not be a 'truth' there and then. According to who's standard? The 'burden of proof' changes with the query .
Absolute truth is there is no absolute truth, if that can make sense; anything is possible.
I discussed this at a dinner party and a few of my 'friends' are selling their 'girls gone wild' videos. The women seamed to get it as homosexual porn allot faster than the men.The women had to explain that when it's the same sex, it's the same sex.(period) I didn't mean to pop that bubble, just wanted to have a discussion.Sorry Brad.
Just look at religious text, the lessons are there; I can go into this for hours on a variety of texts but it is better for each individual to learn at their own pace. I was referring to children and how they are introduced to a variety of religions. As for yourself well that is a journey only you can decide what is needed.
I don't think that form of the question puts into proper perspective what needs to be recognized in all religions prior to delving into the varieties of text further.
I hope it helps clarifies things, I am pleased to have someone to engage even if it is just us in da bus at da moment.
What are these "various concepts". Why should we teach them psychology before teaching the "various concepts"?
- The various concepts are the various concepts of religious text. To identify all religious text as being fundamentally a psychological doctrine helps puts into perspective for the plebe or uninformed the nature and effect of such doctrine on the masses. The spirituality is embedded within each text and is a subjective journey; any doctrine should not be dictated.
Instead of telling the story of a heroic whatever, you tell a story about how an internal combustion engine runs. You're taking the essence of life out of being conscious and making it only a machine that works out of necessity rather than will. Would this be a good thing?
- All right lets use your example.....This is an inference you are mistaken about. If (i) wish to convert those whom I am addressing into mechanics then it would be relevant, but I am not. I am not suggesting teaching religion in pursuit of 'the divine' (theology) but rather to be better informed about religion and human behavior (psychology). Being more informed about the variety of religions is , I believe a good thing indeed.
Spirituality can not be taken out of religion , it is embedded throughout all of the texts and comes out once you take the time to read them... to imply that it is a goal of mine is a very big stretch of the facts.
First i would like to thank you for taking a moment to express yourself. I will try to address each question you presented.
"It's the whole dualist thing, is the mind a seat for consciousness, or is the mind your consciousness?"
- I don't think this is an issue until much later in a persons understanding of various concepts.
"I know, if you're like me, you can imagine that you don't have a soul, and that your mind is as far as it goes... your consciousness is only a trick that a machine plays on itself to make it seem as though it's nothing like a machine... but what good does that do for me, as a person?"
- Compassion and emotion is a subjective truth that I leave for the individual to explore as they explore the different religions. People learn to walk at different times and speeds.
"If though, you have a faint belief in a soul, or maybe to abstract the idea of your consciousness into it's own entity, to say "My consciousness is not the brain, because the brain does not have ideas, the brain has chemicals and electricity", it makes my individuality mean something to me. You know?"
- Faith (for me) is in every act, every choice, every question...Faith is not solely a spiritual matter. I have faith you will read this...I believe that. In the tangible and what I share will affect others; how can that appear not to have meaning? it is a part of my, 'faint belief of a 'soul'.
"The whole point is, without spirituality, a human life is worth less, and if it were taught as a form of psychology, people might begin to think that they are just... machines.Anyway, how would psychology even achieve this?"
- If I tell a heroic story about an ant and grasshopper , I include the emotions(compassion), choices (faith) and conflicts (belief). To be detached doesn't imply a cold and un empathetic learning experience.
"Does psychology teach the origin and nature of consciousness? "
- It attempts to explore it's nature but in no way does it teach the origin of consciousness because it is mainly speculation
"If so, can I please have an example or a reference to where I can find this, and if not, how would you show people that religion and spirituality is incorrect?"
- How should I know? I am not saying psychology teaches origin of consciousness.I also DID NOT say religion and spirituality is incorrect.
taught factually..?! How is that done? What 'facts do you wish to observe? such as date of conception or active practice..wars- winners / losers..these people were saved by 'this god' not 'that god'.....?Such practices have continued contention between religious sects...
If the (religious) texts are taught as 'psychological doctrines' children can develop better understandings of the variety of nuances in faiths and eventually chose for themselves what to accept. Perhaps a continent a semester? This way would not favor one faith as being more credible than an other.
Agreed, psychology is as relevant today as it was, as it developed and doesn't change the principals of religion being psychology. As medicine is medicine , in accordance with local understanding of how it was practiced today or 'ancient' Greece.
The word 'ancient' is used to signify the time in which psychological doctrines developed from the deep past to today, humanity has used these text to sway masses throughout time, not solely for spiritual purposes but precisely as psychological doctrine; even TODAY.
Ulterior motives I have not. to 're-brand' is not exactly what I am trying to discuss. I am Identifying a reality in all 'codified religions'. Psychology exists throughout 'it's' text
old and NEW.
In reading the current discussions about how children should understand religious teachings, this question popped in my head and I thought it would make an interesting debate.
