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Hey bot. I have news for you bot. I'm a rabid Capitalist, and I am retired. Enjoy working for the man and paying off those student loans for the rest of your life. Cheers!

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Precisely what makes you say that capitalist Iceland is socialist?

Socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive. Iceland is a democratic socialism -- a country that subscribes to the profit-driven model of wealth generation, with specific rules about what can and can't be "private property". A lot of infrastructure is publicly owned in Iceland. If you know about the country's history, you'll know they instituted widespread banking reforms after the 2008 economic crash that undid a tirade of previous privatisation of the country's banking and infrastructure that left it with unsustainable debts. They jailed the bankers and politicians involved in it, too.

It's as close as any country has got to genuinely Marxist socialism, and it has achieved that through the kind of direct democracy where citizens get active and straightforward weight in the direction their economy takes.

Socialism, according to Marx, is a broad spectrum, all part of a progression from outright capitalism towards working communism.

The goal of their labor is insignificant to a point about how some people work harder than others, or are more useful because of qualifications and thus need to be paid more as motivation

I don't think it's insignificant at all. Most life motivation comes from early education. If that education's instilled goals changed from self to community; and its methodologies from didactics to cooperatives; and its goals from preparation for the capitalism model to preparation for change and adaptation, moral analysis and criticism, and interpersonal growth; then I think we would see a tremendous shift in the ideologies of the coming generations, which is necessary for humanity to face many of the challenges that we face as modern citizens. You only need look at YOLO culture, extreme individualism, the breakdown of the nuclear family, the increase in debt, the stagnation of wages for the purposes of private profiteering of a small number of individuals, the sickening rise in property prices, the disconnect of millenials with the capitalist traditions of their parents and grandparents, and the general trend towards social withdrawal in modern people, to see that this individualistic culture is really, really harmful for our social cohesion and health.

I'm not your typical Libernazi. I'm independent. I think there are a plethora of global problems that inter-relate and capitalism isn't the root of all of them, but certainly this predatory capitalism of this century and the debt and decay that the 70's and 80's generations have left this generation with: they need addressed.

This is aside from the fact that an hour of their labor is of greater value than the average.

Labour for pyramidal purposes is about as enjoyable and meaningful to most people as coal for the fire. I don't think that with all the intelligence of our species, this is how we should strive to life.

Personal gain is part of it, because people are motivated best in this manner.

I disagree. Many studies show that altruism motivates infants and toddlers -- the most elementary form of the human species -- more than personal capitalisation. I think it's fair to infer that selfishness is largely learned and in its negative forms, exacerbated by capitalistic culture and education.

Moreover, if I am creating value then I should benefit from doing so

In our capitalist paradigm, the average worker almost always creates more value than he recognizes. Certainly he creates more than the share he receives in his wages. Again, I point to the fact that more than 50% of Earth's wealth is owned or operated by fewer than a hundred individuals or institutions worldwide.

The creation of value serves common gain

Only if the common man sees his share of it. He doesn't at present.

Every item and service you benefit from only exists because people created value

This is a very gloomy way of looking at the world: everything in terms of capitalist value. Many of the things that I enjoy the privelage of: healthcare without the need to buy expensive insurance: free education (albeit of the very dogmatic variety, at least in elementary and secondary formats); the internet: weren't results of capitalistic endeavours. Mostly they were results of people whose desire it was to benefit the common good. The inventors of the internet never wanted to profit from it. Clement Atlee, who helped found and develop the National Health Service, didn't think it was fair or right that citizens should struggle to access healthcare (he saw it as a human right). So, I think this notion that good things only come from innovators with personal wealth as their motives, is wrong. There are many great strides made in humanity that came at tremendous personal losses and lives of relative financial hardship for those people who pursued their ideas. But they did these things nonetheless: from passion, empathy, and a desire to help people, to provide something good for humanity largely for its own sake.

When it gets down to it, that's what I think humans really are.

How do you propose to substantiate your claim that capitalism is of less benefit to people than communism or socialism?

I said that the de facto most beneficial society is the one that actually benefits everyone, to the highest possible degree, rather than benefitting only a few at the expense of many. Would you not agree with that? Is that society not an objective we share?

So communist/socialist societies have no desire or use for territory or resources?

Again, I didn't say that. I said that territorial expansion is at its heart a profit drive enterprise. And yes, Stalinist Russia tried to expand its territory to gain control over resources. Which is, ironically, a distinctly NOT Marxist thing to do.

Why is that? It's strange that the U.S.S.R. invaded Poland in 1939 then, for according to you it had nothing to gain.

Where did I say that Stalinist Russia had nothing to gain or didn't want to expand??

None of these events are related to capitalism

Many historians and economists would disagree with you.

If the U.S.S.R had won the cold war and became the world hegemon you would also see it flexing it's muscles worldwide and consolidating it's power

I'm not denying that. I agree. I think I have sufficiently justified myself already as being NOT a Stalinist. i'm not sure why you keep referring to Russia as a juxtaposition to your own views. I don't back Stalinism. These are arguments against your perception of what I've said. But your perception is incorrect.

I am not a Stalinist.

Obviously capitalism will always result in inequality, however as previously explained the magnitude of the inequality is caused by the fact that the rich can buy our politicians.

I agree with this to an extent. But I would analyse it further. WHY can politicians be bought by the rich? How is it that the rich have gained more prominence and influence than our politicians? How is it that the rich an influence politicians more than we can?

And as much as I hate it when other people answer their own questions: it is because pure capitalism is distinctly both predatory and feudal in its nature. Predatory in that it allows those with money, power; and feudal in that such power concentrates with time until the people ruling the nations of the world are the rich, rather than the voters.

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Hello E,

Of course you do. You live in Seattle. We’re coffee snobs up here.

excon

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Hello f,

I think you’re right. It’s state legislatures that have to be won.

excon

• Democrats support no restriction abortions!

• ...but her emails!

• Hogwash!

• Jesus love you...you're going to burn in hell!

• You fools!

• You spew lies and deception as always!

• Anti-Christian bigots!

• Republicans can do no wrong!

• Democrats can do no right!

• I masturbate to Donald Trump!

-FromWithin

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• I'm the ultimate troll!

• Check out how I trolled so-in-so!

• Aren't I cool for having no life.

• I live in my mom's basement.

-Brontoraptor and Prodigee

• Democrats support no restriction abortions!

• ...but her emails!

• Hogwash!

• Jesus love you...you're going to burn in hell!

• You fools!

• You spew lies and deception as always!

• Anti-Christian bigots!

• Republicans can do no wrong!

• Democrats can do no right!

• I masturbate to Donald Trump!

-FromWithin

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• I'm the ultimate troll!

• Check out how I trolled so-in-so!

• Aren't I cool for having no life.

• I live in my mom's basement.

-Brontoraptor and Prodigee

• Democrats support no restriction abortions!

• ...but her emails!

• Hogwash!

• Jesus love you...you're going to burn in hell!

• You fools!

• You spew lies and deception as always!

• Anti-Christian bigots!

• Republicans can do no wrong!

• Democrats can do no right!

• I masturbate to Donald Trump!

-FromWithin

-------------------------------------------

• I'm the ultimate troll!

• Check out how I trolled so-in-so!

• Aren't I cool for having no life.

• I live in my mom's basement.

-Brontoraptor and Prodigee

• Democrats support no restriction abortions!

• ...but her emails!

• Hogwash!

• Jesus love you...you're going to burn in hell!

• You fools!

• You spew lies and deception as always!

• Anti-Christian bigots!

• Republicans can do no wrong!

• Democrats can do no right!

• I masturbate to Donald Trump!

-FromWithin

-------------------------------------------

• I'm the ultimate troll!

• Check out how I trolled so-in-so!

• Aren't I cool for having no life.

• I live in my mom's basement.

-Brontoraptor and Prodigee

• Democrats support no restriction abortions!

• ...but her emails!

• Hogwash!

• Jesus love you...you're going to burn in hell!

• You fools!

• You spew lies and deception as always!

• Anti-Christian bigots!

• Republicans can do no wrong!

• Democrats can do no right!

• I masturbate to Donald Trump!

-FromWithin

-------------------------------------------

• I'm the ultimate troll!

• Check out how I trolled so-in-so!

• Aren't I cool for having no life.

• I live in my mom's basement.

-Brontoraptor and Prodigee

• Democrats support no restriction abortions!

• ...but her emails!

• Hogwash!

• Jesus love you...you're going to burn in hell!

• You fools!

• You spew lies and deception as always!

• Anti-Christian bigots!

• Republicans can do no wrong!

• Democrats can do no right!

• I masturbate to Donald Trump!

-FromWithin

-------------------------------------------

• I'm the ultimate troll!

• Check out how I trolled so-in-so!

• Aren't I cool for having no life.

• I live in my mom's basement.

-Brontoraptor and Prodigee

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In that order, Beer.. Wine... Liquor...

Which is good, because I live in Texas. Texas is the promised land of beer. What, did you think it was Wisconsin? Don't be ridiculous.

I like most all beer, but I prefer my beers strong. I'm not picky. Anything from high gravity malt liquor to swamp water, and even piss water. I'll drink it all. I don't really like fruit flavors in my beer though... I think I drank way too many 4-lokos back in the day, and then woke up one day realizing that I like bitter flavors more.

Which is why I gotta give wine second place. Don't get me wrong, I like wine, I just prefer beer. I don't really drink a lot of wine.

I rotted my guts out drinking liquor when I was younger, so I don't really drink liquor any more. Every so often I'll have a shot. It's all really liquor to me, and I like it all. Vodka, gin, brandy, tequila, any of that. I may be the tzar, but I'll take a good whiskey over vodka.

1 point

Drawing Congressional districts is strictly up to each individual state. The House has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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The only values/beliefs that are universal across cultures are music and the incest taboo.

True, what counts as incest changes from culture to culture (cousins? uncles/aunts?), but parents and siblings are off the menu in all cultures.

Homosexuality is something on which cultures have never agreed.

Go for it. Dems pulled out the nuclear option in 2013. It backfired when Trump became President and then used it in 2017.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclearoption

Dems created a culture called the "metoo" movement. And then Dems began falling left and right like a house of cards for sexual allegations.

Liberal areas look the other way on illegal aliens and crime...and are then overrun by gang violence to the point that Chicago "needs U.N. soldiers to police it".

Dems went on an all out assault to try and out Donald Trump. Now we see that the Department of Justice, Hillary, and the FBI all were in collusion together and corrupt to the core.

The lib media lied through it's teeth, smeared people, and supressed news for decades, and is now labeled as? "Fake news".

Hollywood and the media went full assault on Trump. Now half of their personalities are in the frying pan.

Karma has an interesting way of doing what karma does...

marcusmoon(248) Clarified
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Hi, Excon.

We already got one guy around here who's telling ME that I'm not even Jewish.

Well, that little square mustache and really big oven confuse people. :)

Seriously, that is a bizarre thing to insist about somebody, especially someone with your views.

I don't wanna hurt anybody's feelings, but I'm the best authority on what's best for me.

Yep. That is the basis of real American conservatism. Are you sure you are not a conservative?

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As one human to another, I wish goodness on your relationship.

There's a lot of truth in your post. I'm in total agreement here.

EldonG(546) Clarified
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I never could get into black metal - well, not past some of the more theatrical stuff, like Dimmu Borgir, Gorgoroth, and maybe a little Behemoth.

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Beer, liquor, wine - but that's today. Tomorrow it may be the reverse. I do enjoy them all, in moderation - but the only one I can call myself moderately knowledgeable about is beer.

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I'm not even vaguely sure what could be wrong about it. It's a tradition. I'm essentially non-traditional, but I'm glad that the cultural traditions get preserved.

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Nom,

Strange that we don't get along.

We get along fine.

We don't agree on politics or economics, but that hardly counts as not getting along.

Sure, you get surly and insulting, sometimes, but it is not like we are punching each other in the nose.

My assumption is that we agree on most things in life. It is just that none of those would make for particularly interesting conversations on a debate site.

Where is there room for debate in most of life?

Do you like dogs? I like dogs.

Are you in favor of literacy? I am, too.

What do you think about freedom? I am in favor of it.

We just disagree on how to make sure people have the most freedom overall.

2 points

I drink a stupid number of coffee drinks, from black to latte, with a preference for iced. I love good beer, my favorites being good barleywines and Belgian quads. I love Cape Cods and Long Island Iced Teas as far as mixed drinks go, and I'm insanely partial to amaretto.

Again, no insult present. No 'twit', no 'retard'... You are improving. :)

Nomenclature(1182) Clarified
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I already am improving you so I'm not trying but succeeding. You have just posted a polite reply

Nah, sorry to disappoint you, but that was just sarcasm.

GoodListener(548) Clarified
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I already am improving you so I'm not trying but succeeding. You have just posted a polite

reply.

Nomenclature(1182) Clarified
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You wouldn't even get along with your clone, you're just that antisocial that you can never agree on anything with anyone.

You're trying really hard today, aren't you?

Bless.

1 point

Hello m:

In my senior year of religious school, our class celebrated with a different religion every Sunday.. I LOVED it. I especially remember the Shintoist temple was real smokey..

excon

2 points

That XXX Pomegranite Vitamin water is good stuff. I like Texas Tea, especially the Pecos Cantaloupe and Austin Goodflow honey and mint. Moonshine teas are also really good, I like the mint and honey.

Truthfully? I mostly drink purified water.

I do love beer though. Lagunitas are kind of pricey, but I've liked every single one of their beers. They are strong too. Saint Arnolds is another beer company I like, the weed wacker is probably my favorite. New Belgium has a lot of good stuff, I think overall they are a good beer company. Shiner has a lot of really good beers too, I like them all. Guinness and Stella Artois were mentioned already by people, those are really good drinks. Guinness is one of my favorites.

Now if we are going to go into malt liquor.....

Hurricane over 211

Mickeys over Old E(They screwed up with the plastic 40s.. wait... 42 now? Still, plastic 40 is such an abomination it could be the name of a punk band)

King Cobra over Magnum

I used to drink over a gallon of hard liquor every day, and it really damaged my guts. I don't really drink hard liquor any more. At that time, I'd pretty much drink bottom shelf neutral grain spirits with whiskey added for flavor and color.

I'm not a heavy drinker any more, but I still have a beer a day. Usually a heineken, a fosters, a fat tire, or something. I like to mix up the beer I drink. I usually get me a single after work.

TzarPepe(336) Clarified
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Stella Artois is a fine beer. They've been making that stuff for hundreds of years to. Something that manages to stick around that long must have something going on.

And it does, that brew is legit.

TzarPepe(336) Clarified
1 point

Guinness is the business

GoodListener(548) Clarified
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You wouldn't even get along with your clone, you're just that antisocial that you can never agree on anything with anyone.

I am an agnostic

Me too. Strange that we don't get along.

Well, I think that's mainly concerning politics actually.

As for my rum I scream at it and tell it to ferment faster and I play satanic black metal around it at all times.

Wine

Beer

Liquor

Grape nutrients

Barley hops and starch nutrients

No nutrients

Hard liquor is good for getting drunk, but it does not help you in the long run, wine and beer are actually healthy in moderation. I always sing to my grapes to make them fight cancer. And I always massage my hops and whisper sweet nothings into it before a brew.

2 points

Nope.

I am an agnostic, and my wife is Roman Catholic.

We celebrate Christmas with a tree and presents, and sometimes a midnight mass.

We also light Hanukkah candles.

We just think the story and the holiday are neat. Even the religion has cool ways to look at things.

We also have gone to Buddhist and Hindu (including Krishna Consciousness) temples and taken part in their ceremonies.

Religions are pretty cool, so long as you don't actually believe in them or put it in charge of your life.

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Hello again, A:

Here's how it works.. IF a son CHOSE his own way to practice his religion, it has NOTHING to do with how his father practices it, or how his grandfather practiced it, or even his great grandfather before him.. You got things backwards.. To think lineage moves in THAT direction is NUTS..

Plus, CHOOSING to be a reform Jew changes NOTHING in my heritage, it changes NOTHING in my bloodline, and it changes NOTHING about how my ancestors practiced Judaism... All of my ancestors were Jews. I'm as pure a Jew as you'll find..

Now, if you have some Talmudic law to back up your claim, I'll look into it.. But, all you got is your flapping gums and your antisemitic dick in your hand.

excon

3 points

Racists would say I'm in an interracial marriage.

Maybe ya'll are just incestuous or something. We have different color skin, so what? The haters can fuck off. We are not traitors to our "race". People who think in terms of race are the reason why there is racism.

Hair color, skin color, what does it matter? We're all people. There is no point in letting these petty things get between us.

Combating racism with more racism is not ever going to work.

What about Dr. King when he dreamed that people would be judged based on their merits rather than the color of their skin?

You racists still got a lot to learn. That even goes to you people who think that the color of your skin automatically means you can't be racist. That's a good one right there. Easily the most racist hock of bull I've actually heard people seriously profess to believe.

Yeah, systematic racism is real. It's real because ya'll are racist.

Stop thinking in terms of race. It's being used as a tool by the man to keep us down.

Sometimes I stay up all night and drink 10 coffees

Sometimes I inject heroin into my booty hole.

1 point

All definitions courtesy of Merriam Webster

Racism- "racial prejudice or discrimination"

prejudice- "preconceived judgment or opinion"

Discrimination- "the act of making or perceiving a difference"

Race- "a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits"

Believing in race is clearly racist.

Also, if discrimination based on race is illegal, why do they collect this information on government forms?

Because all ya'll racists are half asleep.

2 points

Prevalent medical/health advice is that we should drink lots of water. Generally it should be filtered.

.

I prefer to filter it through coffee grounds.

1) I am not inverting shit, you asked me what my favorite drinks where and I told yee. it doesn't mean I am just sitting here gulping smoothies all day.

2) I eat a very balanced diet, I eat almost everything as long as it isn't junk food and garbage. But I favour the most nutrient dense and healthy foods. That includes some animal products, but mostly plant based foods.

3)I already am very familiar with the fruitarian life style, I have studied all of this stuff.

4) I do not approve of the fruitarian diet.

5) The video you sent me is the workings of a malnourished crack pot but he has some valid points like the oxidization and the chewing. Like I said it's not like I obsessively drink smoothies, it only sounded that way due to the nature of the question. I haven't had a smoothie in three days and I ate a bunch of bananas just like this guy in the video just a few hours ago.

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Right?! How can anyone disagree. If a cop told me to kill my mother, I would say NO THANK YOU!

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If it was wrong, would you care

Hello A:

If it WAS wrong, I'd care.. But, who's gonna tell me it's wrong? You?? The Tzar dude?? We already got one guy around here who's telling ME that I'm not even Jewish.. Should I listen to him???

Well, I don't wanna hurt anybody's feelings, but I'm the best authority on what's best for me..

excon

TzarPepe(336) Clarified
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The Supreme and Ultimate Reality put you in your place, not the other way around.

Well since you are inverting the Meat-only persona let's educate you on the fruitarian lifestyle.

(since the video appears so small I paste link here too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Sg6mbKOKs

Smoothies are bad, CrackMachine

Bitch you don't even juice...You ain't about that life fucc nigga

GoodListener(548) Clarified
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God knows and respects me for I put him in his place.

TzarPepe(336) Clarified
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That isn't my place. You will be humbled by God. It will be done on God's time.

I'm a fucking blueberry dude, fuck you.

You don't even have any antioxidants


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