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Is this a philosophy that we shouldn't consider when it comes to science?

outlaw60(9524) Clarified
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I would say the Terminally Offended really need to get some education on flags before they cry wolf and send the eager Progressives on a false witch hunt. That is the observation that is blatantly clear here.

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Saying good mental health is determined by how well you conform to social norms is like saying that good physical health is determined by how well you conform to a society's ideals for physical beauty and fitness.

I think this is a spurious analogy. To a significant extent (i.e. outside of schizophrenia and other forms of acute psychosis) the qualifiers for sound mental health are set by society. I think that is the point trying to be made. The same is not true of physical health because one's physical condition is objective (i.e. it can be measured).

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Now now, my little abused enemy.

Don't assume just because you da and his paedophile friends fucked your arse hole raw when you were a young SHIT-HEAD and left you with brain damage that it happens to others.

We all know that you're a registered paedophile whose address is in the hands of your neighborhood's Paedophile Watch Committee.

Are you still having to take the medication you were prescribed to reduce your insatiable lust for abusing young boys and girls?

SO, SHIT-HEAD, YOU'VE JUST REVEALED ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR MANY ALIASES, YOU DUMBASS SHIT-HEAD.

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The most deadly American school massacre that I cited earlier was primarily carried out with explosives.

You have never once shut down any athiest on any thing, ever.

You have never once proved anything.

You have never once done any substantive research into the peer reviewed journals.

You have repeatedly banned people on your fruit debates, whilst I have never banned anyone.

You have repeatedly cried like a small girl to the legislators of this debate site, to have materiel removed.

Not one athiest has ever shied away from you.

Not one claim that this debate’s title asserts is correct.

No one has ever run from you, you are a complete and utter idiot, in the technical sence.

You clearly do not understand how to debate.

You clearly have personal sociological psychological problems that I hoped get attention before your old enough to purchase firearms.

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Amarel(2634) Clarified
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Nobody has made the claim that guns necessitate violence

“The most critical root cause of increase in violence is putting a weapon in people's hands which does exactly that: increase violence.”

Would putting a gun in your hands increase violence? If so, then guns necessitate violence. If not, then guns are not the root cause.

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What happens Number 2 is the exposure of the continually offended Progressives that lack knowledge of flags. Entertainment value of Progressive stupidity never wanes ! LMMFAO

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No school shooter has ever been stopped by a good guy without a gun.

No school shooter has ever shot anybody without a gun, you backwards imbecile.

Honestly Amarel, it's like you exist only to abuse language.

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Just shows how really confused the Progressives are and how quickly they want and need to be offended !

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Saying good mental health is determined by how well you conform to social norms is like saying that good physical health is determined by how well you conform to a society's ideals for physical beauty and fitness. It is functionally useless for deciding what conditions constitute objective sanity.

Freud's definition of sanity depended on two criteria: whether you can work and whether you can love. According to Freud, if you can do both, you are sane.

I am not a big fan of Sigmund Freud, or of psychology in general, but I think this definition is a useful starting point for objective discussion of mental health.

It gives an outcome-oriented focus that leaves room for the myriad variations of personality.

It leaves out any of the requirements to adjust the definition to fit the cultural or societal norms, which change with time, location, and company.

It leaves out any of the bother of trying nail down internal motivations, and parse out whether they are "healthy" reasons or accurate perceptions.

It makes room for misperception, misunderstanding, misinformation, and all the delusions that these can engender in fully functioning brains.

It leaves out how we cope with problems, and instead focuses on whether we are able to do so in a way that has a chance of integrating us into society.

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WHY do you see no reason for change after the willful killing of 17 young people by a crazed lunatic with an assault rifle?

Total, mind-numbing Orwellian style cultural inculcation. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

GUN LAWS MUST BE SIGNIFICANTLY TIGHTENED

Well said.

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If that is true then it only serves as confirmation that we absolutely need to change our gun laws to suit the more dangerous environment in which we all live.

WHY do you see no reason for change after the willful killing of 17 young people by a crazed lunatic with an assault rifle?

Please, and fucking please don't start slobbering on about drunken drivers killing hundreds.

That's a different issue and can be raised for debate under separate cover.

Think of the bereaved families and loved ones of the teenagers who were deliberately slaughtered before they had a chance to even start to live their lives.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

GUN LAWS MUST BE SIGNIFICANTLY TIGHTENED

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The 4 deputies staged outside with weapons drawn. This is much the same as the policy that allowed the Columbine shooting to go one longer than otherwise. It is likely due to outdated policy in the Sheriffs Dept and may have to do with what they considered city jurisdiction.

The School Resource Officer was one of those four Deputies. He resigned, and with good reason. A good guy with a gun, who fails to do his duty with that gun, is not really the good guy for the job. Just as guns don’t kill people, guns don’t save people. But they do give people a chance to save themselves or others.

No school shooter has ever been stopped by a good guy without a gun.

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It has been shown that Police officers with a Military background are overwhelmingly superior in such situations.

Not arming the killer also works. Have you tried that?

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Bongo Paradise is a complimentary term

So is retarded neo-Nazi sociopath who has never gotten over his relationship with his daddy

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A downvote without comment, nice. I’ll also add that this most deadly of school massacres occurred at a time when concerns over alcohol were sufficient enough that we were in a period of prohibition.

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@Antrim

Perhaps, despite previous school outrages police officers STILL need to be better trained in how to handle such a catastrophic incident.

It has been shown that Police officers with a Military background are overwhelmingly superior in such situations. So, yes, more involved training is very important

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Bongo Paradise is a complimentary term for the land of so many of our Bongo Brothers and a shining example of how, when left to their own devices Bongos can turn a piece of jungle, teeming with wildlife and wondrous forestry into a cesspit of filth, disease, and corruption.

Just the sort of place where a black enameled SHIT-BAG NIGGER LIKE YOU would feel at home.

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No one should find pride in the category they arbitrarily belong to, especially not a category as superficial as race. Nor is it the case that culture necessarily accompanies pigment. That is to say, skin color does not determine one’s culture.

Pride should be reserved for individual accomplishments.

Rusticus(599) Clarified
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In 1927 Andrew Kehoe used a Winchester Model 54 and explosives to kill 44 people in what is, to this day, the most deadly school massacre in US history.

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Shut up you neo nazi ass wipe half wit underpants gnome. You are a factmachine alt, Rick is a Nomenclature alt, and I am a prodigy alt.

NumberOne(308) Clarified
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No--it is a tool of violence.

YES, guns are tools for increasing violence. That's what I just said. Perhaps you better go back and read it again, dopey. What are you saying "no" for you stupid boy? Do you always say no to the people you agree with?

If you put a bat in a persons hands, this in no way necessitates violence

Nobody has made the claim that guns necessitate violence you sophist fucking idiot. Why can't you just stop distorting literally EVERYTHING I say? It's infuriating, you complete fucking idiot.

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This is a myth. It isn't true. I've looked into it and mass shootings -- including school shootings -- have occurred since the 17th century.

It is true that they have increased in number, but so has the number of guns in circulation and so has the population itself. In fact, in the last 60 years the population of the United States has doubled, from 174.9 million in 1958, to 323.1 million in 2016.

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I have Norwegian ancestors, believe in States Rights, and now I live in rural South Carolina.

Does this mean I have to:

- Plant a cotton crop?

- Buy a pickup truck?

- Say nigger instead of Black person?

- Drink moonshine instead of scotch?

- Make retarded costumes out of my bed sheets?

- Buy white bed sheets?

- Say "The South will rise again!"

- Join the Democrat party?

What exactly are the rules here? ;)

xMathFanx(1139) Clarified
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@NumberOne

he most critical root cause of increase in violence is putting a weapon in people's hands which does exactly that: increase violence.

No--it is a tool of violence. If you put a bat in a persons hands, this in no way necessitates violence (although it certainly could be used in such a manner). Now, why not attempt to address the root causes of violence in the US rather than the superficial manifestation (which is subject to vary)?

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Funny you should say that. The most beautiful woman I've ever met was Iranian. She was also by far the smartest person that I've ever met. Too smart and beautiful for someone like me, but it was a short, brilliant, potent experience and one that I'll never forget.

Now I just have to stop myself from comparing other women to her, because they don't compare .. ah .... makes me kinda sad.

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He thinks this is the new Watergate. He's just bought one of those voice machines so he can call congress and pretend to be Deepthroat.

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Amarel, taking common sense lessons from you would be like taking lessons in social ethics from the Nazis. You think the invasion of Iraq was legal for Christ's sake.

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Possibly the most critical root cause of the increase in American violence is that boys are increasingly raised without fathers present in the home.

God, just no Marcus. The most critical root cause of increase in violence is putting a weapon in people's hands which does exactly that: increase violence. Guns dramatically increase the amount of violence, destruction and mayhem a person can cause because that is what they are fucking well built for. It is no coincidence that guns are what the fucking army uses when it goes into battle, you irrational clown.

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Possibly the most critical root cause of the increase in American violence is that boys are increasingly raised without fathers present in the home.

Currently 26% of American kids are raised in single parent homes, predominantly by a mother. Among Black Americans, this rises to over 70%.

Significantly, the crime rate among Black males is higher than any other demographic group. There are also similarities between single-parent home rates and crime rates among Hispanics, Whites, and Asians.

The need for strong and present father figures to help develop more complex and responsible concepts of manhood is evident. Otherwise the main source of male role models are in movies and TV, where manhood is more associated with violence than with responsibility, self-control, and sacrifice.

NumberOne(308) Clarified
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MathFan

Why do you even converse with that imbecile? I just don't get it.

In actual fact, you are both very similar to each other, so perhaps that's it. Neither of you has any understanding of the basic tenets of debate, yet you both throw walls of illegible text at each other because you are both acting under the same false assumption that whoever can write the most irrationally complex gobbledegook therefore wins the argument.

Similarly, you appear to both be under the false assumption that quality is relative to quantity. There may be a relationship, in fact, but if so then it is inverse square.

Were either or both of you not suffering from various degrees (his being worse) of the exact same Narcissistic Personality Disorder, you would come to the conclusion that you should simplify your arguments wherever possible to ensure communication is strong and the argument can be won or lost on its actual merits. You are literally doing the opposite of what you should logically be doing in a bid to outdo each other.

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@Marcus

I am arguing against a particular concept of life and people that asserts that it is anything but disastrous for people to be protected from truths and views they dislike, fear, etc..

The whole AA-style space is oriented particularly and purposefully toward people facing and addressing truths and views they dislike, fear, etc..

Yes, I see this is the crucial point. If a group of people with similar issues meet up in a collaborative/supportive effort to face their challenges together (which is empowering and productive) rather than avoid their challenges (which is disempowering), then such a 'safe space' is valuable for the members.

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Religion And The Far Right Wing Go Hand-In-Hand Because They Are Both CRAZY

And you claim Hitler was an Atheist ? Do What ?

"And here's the kicker. The most evil of all the far right lunatics (and I'm talking Hitler level) are all ATHEISTS."

Thought Atheists are in opposition to religion ?

But your confused entertainment value is priceless LMMFAO

Rusticus(599) Clarified
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As long as you keep trolling atheists I'll keep reminding you of how ridiculous your religion is.

And besides, it's fun!

Here's a question for you: Do you adhere to and obey Mark 16:17–18? It's right there in the bible. You're not one of those half way Christians who pick and choose which parts of the Bible they adhere to are you?

Surely you're a true believer in the word of God and live by the complete and literal scripture. Am I right?

Supporting Evidence: Snake power! (www.granbychurchofchrist.org)

Still waiting on Russian collusion over a year later. Tic. Toc. Tic. Toc. Tic. Toc.

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By far and away, most Liberals are religious

Liberalism is not the only political ideology which is not on the right wing. There are many political ideologies on the left, such as socialism, communism, environmentalism etc...

That is the third time you have tried to distort or warp something I have written. Keep doing it and I'm going to ban you. Consider this your first, final and only warning.

marcusmoon(406) Clarified
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MathFan,

Then, you are arguing against a particular sub-set of 'safe spaces' rather than the idea more generally? That is, when taken to an extreme, becomes very unhealthy & counterproductive(?)

Tthe Yale-style safe space, which is oriented toward people hiding from confrontation and uncomfortability, is an exercise in futility, as I pointed out in my initial post on this side.

I am arguing against a particular concept of life and people that asserts that it is anything but disastrous for people to be protected from truths and views they dislike, fear, etc..

The whole AA-style space is oriented particularly and purposefully toward people facing and addressing truths and views they dislike, fear, etc.. (Don't mistake this as an endorsement of 12-steppery, nor solving problems by talking.)

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to prove that religion is crazy

I didn't claim to be proving religion was crazy, either. It is common knowledge among sane people that religion is crazy.

Twice you have lied in the same sentence.

xMathFanx(1139) Clarified
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@Antrim

What started out as a reasonable crusade for equality has grown into an out of control monster with these misandrist butch bitches struggling to gain the whip hand in the Gender Competition.

Do you not think the framing of 'female struggle for equality' is inherently flawed? Women & men both have not been 'equal' to each other in various ways/areas--some of which are more favorable to one gender over the other or vice versa. I find the revisionist, extremely overly-simplistic view of male/female social dynamics throughout history often promoted as a staple of Feminism, most particularly 3rd-4th Wave, to be contemptible as well as factually inaccurate

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So your claim is that Hitler was an Atheist

I didn't make that claim. You are either trying to distort what I said or you cannot read.

So your claim is that Hitler was an Atheist to prove that religion is crazy. Do I need to even address this stupidity. Nope.

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DUDE!!

I think it smells like a FactMachine alt. He's trying to be paradoxical. I could be wrong.

I however am not a FactMachine alt, so I would appreciate it if you would bear that in mind the next time you spend the afternoon calling me a Nazi. There is no ulterior motive for me explaining to you that you are not Jewish other than truth.

By far and away, most Liberals are religious and many Conservatives are not, but don't let facts get in your way. Carry on. Keep creating fairy tales like a good liberal lemming...

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You would need to define what Justice is before you can determine that it is a fiction.

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And here's the kicker. The most evil of all the far right lunatics (and I'm talking Hitler level) are all ATHEISTS. They sit there laughing their evil, sadistic faces off that all the religious people vote for them, and happily pretend they believe in God in exchange for the power and fame it brings them.

Right wing thought and religious thought are both two different forms of the same mental illness.

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Rick the Zit if only your Nirvana of a One World Government controlling the internet then all opposing voices would be silenced. What that make your world complete at that point ?

marcusmoon(406) Clarified
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Oh. Pays for what?

Child support, sure.

Alimony, never. Alimony is a violation of the 13th Amendment.

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BONGO PARADISE?

Was that the answer to one of the questions on your KKK grand wizard exams, you dumb piece of white trash?

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Did this fool just say that the ideology of envy, theft, racism, defenselessness, slavery to the state, AIDS, etc is "nice"? ROFL

No, he said the opposite of that. And he wrote it.

Ohhhhhhhh, look at the retard!!!

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Well, as in most aspects of life individuals and groups are always vying for dominance, which is exactly what these men haters are driving for.

What started out as a reasonable crusade for equality has grown into an out of control monster with these misandrist butch bitches struggling to gain the whip hand in the Gender Competition.

Emboldened by initial successes these lesibains have become more aggressive in their campaign for female supremacy but their fervour can be dampened, if nor thwarted completely with a return to a little wife beating and throwing them out into the street for a few hours.

Additional measures could include,

Never employ a female of childbearing age.

Give a feigned, but obvious spit of disgust when walking past a pregnant woman.

Never promote a woman into a position which will elevate them above men.

Hey guys, let's put these bolshie women in the place, in front of the sink and polishing our shoes.

When you have your female partners polishing your footwear and handwashing your shitty underpants you will know that you have won the battle of the sexes.

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Really rich! The Progressives confused the Norwegian red-and-blue banner for the Confederate stars-and-bars. Again it is evident that the Progressives live in a perpetual State of Confusion and always looking for something to complain about !

More evidence in the links below:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/both-have-crosses-so-norwegian-flag-mistaken-for-confederate-flag/

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/both-have-crosses-so-norwegian-flag-mistaken-for-confederate-flag/

https://www.lewisboroledger.com/433/confederate-or-norwegian-flag-misunderstood-in-reservation/

Thanks love.................................................................................................................................................

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You sound psychotic.

If somebody ever thinks they really met your fictional god, they are either dreaming, under the influence of a hallucinogenic drug, or just been wracked in the head with a hammer.

LOL

Cheers, mates.

Arsenal(197) Clarified
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You really fancy they're the same bloke, mate? Seems to me that FW is more of an older, stodgy, avuncular sort. While hellno is an under educated, mist likely un or under employed younger chap. More how you Yanks say....recheck. Fw is more like his uncle who lives up in Michigan while hellno drives a pickup in little Rock Arkansas.

Just me two cents, mate.

Cheers.

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I call bullshit. .

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I love it!!!

And any anthropologist will tell you its true.

Just think....that dude is worshipped by the theists as their god!

Wow.

Just....plain old fashioned wow!

LOL

Cheers.

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I know, huh? Its total hypocritical bullshit perpetrated by libtards and arrogant but actually inferior minorities in the USA.

A unemp!oyed reverse racist uneducated nigger can go around wearing a Black Power hat all day and nobody cares. He will probably get some good comments.

If I wore a White Power cap they'd be people who want to string me up by my bollocks. How is that not reverse racism and hypocrisy?

Just like affirmative action.

Cheers.

Arsenal(197) Clarified
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I just totally destroyed you with not one but three links showing big bang proof.

Now...show us just one of your sky god that Was invented by angry oppressed Bronze age Hebrews who were tired of getting their assez kicked!

LOL

I'll be waiting. Cheers.

Arsenal(197) Clarified
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But wait, there's more. I can go on busting up you godists all day. Its easy because you're so uneducated

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang

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Well, the problem with 3rd wave feminists, is that it's very hard to understand what they're really fighting for. They have no coherent goal, and are really just an extension of the 2nd wave. One of the main focuses is probably individuality, which is great. But their attempts at reclaiming derogatory terms (the "SlutWalks"), are quite dumb. Also, many of them are just trying to gain more privileges than men, which is against the whole point of gender equality.

I'm glad you are alive. I am alive because of science as well..................................................................................................

LOL, you funny.........................................................................................

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That was very droll.

You have gone further than most people and have highlighted the gun problem in well researched detail.

You join the herd however by not presenting your realistic proposals to address the ongoing madness of an over abundance of guns and the criminal negligence of our politicians, past and present, by sidestepping the introduction of effective profiling of all known existing gun owners and firearm licence applicants.

This is a time for President Trump to show LEADERSHIP and make the decisions which will be unpopular with some, but that will have to be made sooner or later.

I was in New York State last October and near to the orchard where I was buying some pumpkins there was a gun auction at which, I was told .anyone could buy weapons without permits or identification.

If this is correct, then the inmates are definitely running the lunatic asylum.

I am sorry if I offended you. Don't know why we need to be enemies. You are welcome on my debates..................................................................

MichioKaku(106) Clarified
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if people are shooting themselves, selling them guns is a BAD IDEA.

Actually, suicide is nature's way of making up for the way human society bypasses natural selection. Only a human could be stupid enough to kill itself. Just because some loser kills themselves doesn't mean that people who don't kill themselves should have there guns taken. And once again the vast majority of guns used in gang related crimes are illegal, they already don't care what the fucking law says. Gun laws will only serve to stop legal gun owners from having the guns you ban, criminals will still get them through black markets so you are disarming nothing but responsible gun owners for the most part.

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Did this fool just say that the ideology of envy, theft, racism, defenselessness, slavery to the state, AIDS, etc is "nice"? ROFL

God can do what He wantsd, buyt we have laws, because we are not absolute..................................................................................................

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Why did you chose Uganda as a place to send Conservatives?

Are you suggesting that there is something unpleasant with this civilized and prosperous BONGO PARADISE?

Are you into buttock thrashing?

Do you spend a lot of time in the spanking room of your local Pervert's Club?

xMathFanx(1139) Clarified
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@Marcus

Then, you are arguing against a particular sub-set of 'safe spaces' rather than the idea more generally? That is, when taken to an extreme, becomes very unhealthy & counterproductive(?)

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Your post is perfectly sensible and the reasoning is sound , this troll you are debating is the idiot Nom using yet anothe alt account

NumberOne(308) Clarified
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I've shown you that steel can easily melt.

Steel melts when it is exposed to a high enough temperature. Since jet fuel does not burn anywhere near the temperature required to melt steel, we can safely conclude that jet fuel did not cause the "rivers of molten steel" reported by dozens of eye-witnesses working at GZ.

I've shown you that 450 of 452 suicide bombers worldwide were Muslim.

9/11 was not a suicide bombing. It was a false flag military operation which involved hijacking planes, crashing them into buildings, and then blowing the buildings up afterwards for added effect. You have not showed any data on suicide bombers that I am aware of, and even if you had, it would still mean your argument would be grounded in the fallacy of guilt by association.

I've shown you that most gun deaths are suicides

I have shown you how irrelevant the word "suicide" is in preventing somebody from being dead. Just because people are shooting themselves as well as each other does not, I repeat, not, mean it is a good idea to sell people guns. In fact, if people are shooting themselves, selling them guns is a BAD IDEA.

I honestly don't have the patience to deal with your impossible degree of stupidity tonight, bronto. You are a liar. The very fact that you mistake distortion and lying for dialectic debate is evidence enough that you do not belong in any conversation with reasonable (i.e. sane) people.

Hello bro or sis in Christ..................................................................................................................

marcusmoon(406) Clarified
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Generally AA and college campus safe spaces are not in the same category. I have been to AA and NA meetings, and people are allowed to say the sorts of things that are prohibited in safe spaces in the collegiate sense.

Honesty is the prime rule at an AA meeting. Non-judgmentalism is only second.

KJVPrewrath(288) Clarified
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He did lie about me once, but I am wondering why yall hate each other.

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Why don't you libel yourself SHIT-HEAD THREE and list the specific crimes which you attribute to the multi-billionaire, democratically elected President of the United States?

This should make interesting reading.

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Notice how this fool cannot do anything but offer mindless opinions. For example, he cannot tell us why God would be wrong for executing sinners. All he can do is express his meaningless outrange that He did. I bet he was raised by a single mother.

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@Polaris

I haven't seen "Death Cure" yet, though I have listened to the series on audiobook. The movies certainly stray from the book quite a lot, however in some ways that worked for "The Maze Runner" as it gave an alternative storyline to the one I was expecting to see. I thought the first movie was good, the second movie was decent--though, again as you say, the movies are quite different from the book series in many ways

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Ironically, this mindless bag of pond scum was trying to disagree with my post and ended up confirming every word of it. I love exposing these fools as the mindless reprobates they are.

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It is misandry in a box, pretending to be about equality.

Third wave feminists do not want equality between the sexes; instead they want the rules to change to give women the advantage.

By contrast, first wave feminists, and even some second wave feminists, just wanted women (who wanted to) to have equal access to all venues, and to play by all the same rules that men have to play by.

light, which he does not deny exists

Light is electromagnetic radiation - differential absorption of electromagnetic radiation is color.

The same material heating up more/less based on differential absorption of electromagnetic radiation is color that the blind person can feel.

Antrim(1142) Clarified
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We have a suspiciously cosy little twosome, maybe even a threesome on the other side, THE THREE AMIGOS.

Most times when shit-head one posts shit-head two latches on immediately with a supportive follow up comment.

Transparency personified.

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Not sure you understood what I meant. The state makes sure the X pays. ;)

Mint_tea(2783) Clarified
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No no, not til they are 18. As they get older they must gain more responsibilities. They also must learn to respect others but understand that there is strife in this world and they must overcome obstacles. I'd say around....oh maybe 8'ish is when it's time to start understanding this, but not during Kindergarten. No one deserves things because they are special.

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You have failed to address any of the counterpoints I have made. You persist in utilizing incorrect premises concerning the nature of philosophy and of science. Much like the religious person you bemoaned in your example, you have failed to integrate (yes that’s the word) the correct premise into your worldview or even to challenge the validity of the alternate premise I have presented. In the above summary, which amounts to little more than a repeat of already debunked notions, you even contradict yourself from the one part to the next. When I illustrate exactly how you are misusing words and concepts, you must address it. Repeating yourself is not sufficient. I don’t believe you will understand because I don’t believe you want to. Nonetheless, I’ll break down the above post for any onlookers who are interested.

-There is no philosophical proposition that says “my heart beats, therefore I am.” The famous statement “ I think therefore I am” is a statement about certainty, a highly relevant philosophical topic to science. The philosophy of science holds a view on certainty that causes most scientists to rarely ever refer to facts, the way you do.

-The first part of your post applies to the latter part of your post. When you say that ideas are in your head and that you cannot even trust your senses to gain knowledge, you are making a claim that applies equally to science as it does to philosophy. When you denigrate the validity of the senses, you forget how important observation is to science. When you denigrate the products of thought and reason, you forget the primarily conceptual nature of math and logic.

-You said that because of philosophy we had to rely on ideas such as “Gentlemen don’t wash their hands between patients because they are endowed with the spirit of god, which protects from evil spirits”. I’ve never heard of this philosophical position. Nonetheless, you fail to mention that we also relied on philosophical ideas such as logic from Aristotle , atomic materialism from Epicurus, or the Cartesian Coordinate system from the same guy who said “I think therefore I am”. You also fail to mention that science, for all its virtues, still gets matters of fact wrong all the time. Sure doctors didn’t use to wash their hands, now doctors provide psychotropics on a trial and error basis while they try to come up with a diagnosis.

-Your love of science is actually the more narrow love of math, which is far from the sum of what science is. But even math is tied to philosophy. The Pythagoreans were philosophical mystics who thought that math was secret magic. One of the discoverers of calculus was a philosopher who claimed that we live in “the best of all possible worlds”. When you say that we have math so we do not need philosophical notions, you fail to realize that math is a philosophical notion. You might as well say we have circles so we don’t need shapes.

If you still do not accept my challenges to your position, don’t merely repeat yourself. Address what I’ve said.

marcusmoon(406) Clarified
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The general populace funds federal and state programs, so the state providing for any particular woman's needs means the problem has been shifted from ONE poor sap who realized too late that being involved with her was a mistake, to MILLIONS of people, many of whom knew from the start that schtupping her was a mistake.

Why punish a bunch of people who were smart enough to keep from taking on the obligation. It is better to make her pay for ALL of her own upkeep, and half that of her children's upkeep, and make him pay the other half.

Welfare programs just punish people with good sense, and de-incentivize other people to exercise it. We should not reward stupid and crazy and unpleasant people for reproducing.

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Keep holding out hope that something will turn up on Trump. The bigger question is what is the over under on the number of liberals who will commit suicide when Trump is exonerated, or better yet, how many cities will be burned to the ground by liberals when their dreams are shattered.

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Yup ;)

What we look for are the models with the best predictiveness.


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