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The first position got to go to Genghis Khan. Second comes Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson, third comes Julius Caeser, fourth position goes to Hannibal and the last is Babur.

But aren't they just taking advantage of the common man? Aren't they living off the fat of the donations that they make?

By your argument I take the meaning that you mean to say that why do our children argue with us? That's because they do not know. They do not even know how to speak, how would they understand? What they ask is out of raw curiosity which they do not have the skill or intelligence to research on their own, whereas questioning god is taking it to a whole new level.

Let's, for once, try this point of view.

You say that we should question god, that only by questioning him can we truly learn about him. Tell me something. Do you question your mother, why she gave birth to you? Your father, why he takes care of you? Your teacher, why he teaches you? your brother, why he loves you? No. Still, you cannot say that you do not truly love them, nor can you say that they do not truly love you. Don't get me wrong here- to think the other way, you have to look at new concepts, at a new way of thinking.

Here one may raise the question that god cannot be felt, seen, smelt or heard, therefore it's right to question him. However, it is sure that he exists ( I have exhausted the theory of his existence in another debate, so I will avoid mentioning it here ), so if you go questioning on and on and on, you will never really reach a conclusion which can be proved through logic. The concept of god cannot really be proven through logic.

You placed the point that it is only by questioning him that you can truly understand him. But what if you learn about him? Before questioning him, if you learn about him and apply your brain cells, you will see that you have no questions left, only the clarity which you can achieve by looking at the matter with a new perspective.

Given, ultimately, the side of the debate on which I am working, I say-no, it isn't, well, logical, to question god, nor is it morally, if you are a religious person.

Hey there, nummi. Take it easy. I am starting to notice that each and every dispute of yours ends up with taking a not so favorable stand for belief. The debate has no relation with belief, whatsoever.

You say that all people who commit gruesome murders are psychopaths. So, taking the logic of your own argument, how do you know this for sure, if you are not one yourself? What you are talking about here is a mere possibility, in the face of the general fact.

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Well, nummi and I are constantly at odds with each other, in our approach, our thoughts, our "beliefs", our way of debating and our attitude towards debates. Moreover, I would be surprised if he does not find some fault in this post which I am making. Still, he is a down to earth, sensible and practical, no nonsense debater, and by no means poor of courtesy. Let's give him his fair share of praise.

judgemaster(265) Clarified
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Yes, you may be right. I said it just because most of the atheists I have met are hurt.

Anyway, I myself do not worship the god/gods of my religion ( you see, I do not want to disclose it ) All i believe in is God as a positive energy.

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By death, a criminal gets rid of all the guilt that he has developed because of his crime. It is a fresh start for him in the other part of the mortal world. Isn't it pretty much a gift to him that he has cleared his moral guilt?

There are just three words:

Scary Movie 4

Well, anything else that you expect that you are reading this sentence?

How about this:

So the crime of that muffin I silently ate when I was 4 has finally caught up with me?

Every movement, every right thing, every reformation has to start with one single person. No change comes by itself, in the dramatic way they show in the movies.

What you are talking about is the misuse of religion by the evil elements in the society. Bad people can misuse anything, as long as it can be misused. Religion teaches us not to be realistic, to be closer to god and increase our spiritual understanding.

Anything can be misused. What you are pointing out is just one of those things.

Atheists are non believers. Unfortunately, most of them have been hurt badly in their lives , thus shaking off their belief in God. Atheists do not simply discard belief in God, they think it is a waste of time. Christianity preaches its followers to attend mass, do not do this in the name of god and so on. I thin that's why atheists hate it the most.

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Applying punishment in a swift manner ends the matter quickly for the perpetrator, thus giving him a gift instead of a punishment.

judgemaster(265) Clarified
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There was once a man named Joe,

Did he debate? Why, hell no!

But with a heart of gold he says " Yo bro "

And seeing his comments, I say " Ho Ho Ho "

Just a jest poem. Don't take it seriously

2 points

What we are trying to say in this debate is if human nature is savage, and our good behavior just covers it up. Do you think it is that way?

Jesus didn't die on the cross. There are several factors against this, which you can search on the internet. For example, in crucifixion the knees of the victim are broken, whereas Jesus' knees were just fine.

From your point of view, ignorance and money are the root cause of all problems. However, the world cannot function without a proper system of money. Money was invented, so that there is proper order in the different systems of our respective countries. Also, I have not listed ignorance as it is not entirely bad. Some things are not known for good. You do not need to know everything. Believe me, ignorance is bliss ( not that forced ignorance is good ).

judgemaster(265) Clarified
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I am not saying that God plays favourites. I am saying that whatever bad happens, the devil is keeping things in balance and whatever good happens, god is keeping things in balance. No good can happen without some bad.

I say it again, life cannot be all rainbows and sunshine.

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But cannot everything be traced back to some logical action which results in our favor or disadvantage?

Jesus never really died! read my arguments with another one of you down below and you might see.

Let me tell you something which comes from a bit of research.

Normally, people who were condemned to die on the crucifix had their knees broken, so that the pressure would shift to their chest and they would fall victims to asphyxiation. However, if it was not done, then the person would be in agony for the next two to four days. But, in Jesus' case, he never had his knees broken. Furthermore, he died within the next few hours. Isn't that a bit odd?

According to sources, Jesus was buried with a whole lot of myrrh and aloe vera. Scientists today have found out that these two substances were of great use in case of substantial blood loss. Jesus was stabbed with a spear before he was taken off. Isn't it odd?

Jesus never died. He was never resurrected.

A murder is defined as one human being killing another unlawfully and in his full senses under control.

Therefore, killing of other animals cannot be considered as murder.


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