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Please explain to me with facts and analysis how it is possible for a gay person to wake up one morning and then say "Hmm I might try some pussy today" your logic is shit!

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The Bible condemns getting haircuts, The Bible condemns mixed fabrics, The Bible condemns eating lobster. Plus more irrational and out of touch sins! Are you sure you try to follow every command of The Bible?

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Christians believe that gays are going to a realm of torment and horror for the rest eternity every single era after death and onwards! And because of that they inact legislation that prevents them from the right to marry and allows businesses to discriminate based on sexuality because of their prejudice belief that being gay is a sin!

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Precisely no doctors or scientists have concluded, treated or diagnosed homosexuality, bisexuality, pan-sexuality or any other sexual disorders as mental disorders you just pulled that out of your ass!

Also you do not understand what the word prejudice (pre judging) means, even if you are saying that there is nothing wrong with a mental disorder that is still FAR from being prejudice! (pre judging)

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And where is your citation ?

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Do I care if the United States is not a Christian theocracy?

By saying that your opposition to the US legally allowing same sex marriage is because marriage is about reflecting a relationship with God and the Christian church it certainly sounds like you want a Christian theocracy.

God instituted it when Adam and Eve were created.

I think carbon dating, geographical analysis, studying fossils and studying data for evolution disproves creationism and the existence of Adam and Eve this evidence goes in favor of evolution. The only thing that supports creationism is blind faith!

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STFU about Adam and Eve, Creationism is fucking bullshit!

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Well the environment is not the only thing The Green Party prioritizes on (as most people think so,) though it is one of their top priorities.

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You forget the United States is not a Christian theocracy,we do not make laws based on religion or bigotry because we are a free country! Marriage is about commitment it has nothing to do with Jesus it is man made, it is a secular institution. Marriage has existed BCE so that mean God has nothing to do with marriage. You must also be one of the people who think sex is about procreation aren't you?

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The Green Party !

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Also the subtitles are wrong, it should be "Atheism a religious ideology smart people join."

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Jesus wasn't even fucking real! But since he supposedly born in Nazareth Jesus would look like any man Megan Kelly would label a "terrorist".

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Finally now Republicans can stop going apeshit !

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Well I think too much government and too much regulation can create a hierarchy but the same goes the other way around, when their is not enough government and not enough regulation corruption could create a new hierarchy this one is called wealth inequality.

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Actually I can see three terms as being pretty reasonable, but four terms is the borderline!

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If you've seen the painting of Yaweh than you would understand, not only is God male but he is black also (really it doesn't even fucking matter because in all reality God is non existent.)

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Technically I am too young, however I will vote when I am older not because I think it'll do shit since the electoral college doesn't take the raw vote into consideration, but for the fuck of it anyway! Because there really is no reason not to vote and what else will I have to do on Election Day?

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Technically I am too young however I will vote when I am older not because I think it'll do shit since the electoral college doesn't take the raw vote into consideration but for the fuck of it anyway cause there really is no reason not to vote and what else will I have to do on Election Day?!

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While I don't believe in God myself, I do know that Yaweh which is the technical Christian concept for God, is male.

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No doubt, I mean obviously because their policies favor the rich first of all!

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We follow this Constitution because it's the backbone of our Nation its what made our nation so great back then

The constitution condoned slavery and enforced laissez faire economics which led to the great depression we have lawmakers for a reason to make new laws the constitution did not make. Besides none of the founders liked the constitution Thomas Jefferson said that the constitution should be rewritten every 2 decades saying that "the living should be governed by the living not the dead"

UNCONSTITUTIONAL ME
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Sure, he's got his first amendment rights, however it would be more accurate to depict them as Nazis as explained in this video.

The Tea Party: KKK or Nazis?
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Since when was the Patient Protection Act a complete government monopoly? Last time I checked it simply aims to increase the quality and affordability in health insurance, that's all and its individual mandate was a conservative idea under president George HW Bush founded by the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation!

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It should go single payer .

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When there were more liberals. .

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Conservatives .

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A restoration of constitutional principles are much more important than restoration of democracy, seeing as how the two can easily conflict. I mean, we don't want mob rule now do we?

We might not live in a genuine direct democracy but that does not mean we don't live in a representative democracy. The most important thing any politician can do is the represent the American people by listening to them also we don't want to end up in the great depression again and ignore what the issues are for the American people simply because "that's not important" or "we don't have the authority to do anything under the constitution" here is a fun little fact about the constitution most of the founding fathers disliked the result of the constitution, and others hated it most significantly Thomas Jefferson he believed that instead of the amendments we rewrite the constitution every two decades! Now if we listen to an economic system mandated by the constitution (Laissez-faire Capitalism) the middle class would not exist it took government involvement throughout the 20th century to essentially create the middle class!

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The possibility of the existence of God is minimal the strongest evidence against God is this simple concept Christians happen to believe about it, omnipotence.

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The best way we can stop this problem IMO is by replacing private funding of electoral campaigns with public funding and by abolishing crappy voting technology that stole the 2000 and 2004 elections from the Democrats, what would result is a restoration of our democracy.

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Republicans obviously fucking did it themselves this is all thanks to Ted Cruise and his obsession with de funding the patient protection act!

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Yes if it the only path to positive salvation I'll take it, problem is THERE IS NO GOD!!

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Luckily we do have one, it's called the national day of reason.

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The definition of privacy is the state or condition of being free from being observed or disturbed by other people. Hypothetically if a man is writing a significantly important article and his wife walks into the room without him being aware he would be distracted and hence he would want privacy not necessarily because he is hiding his work he has no problem with anyone seeing it it is just that he wants to get it done!

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In that case it would repopulate earth so yeah, and besides there are only a few men in this hypothetical so it would not genuinely be that harmful especially if a lot of the women had multiple children repopulating the earth at a quicker rate and at some point when earth has repopulated enough I would outlaw rape once again!

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The New Deal paved the way for our monster government that we have today

So you think the US would have been better off with the great depression for the rest of the 20th century, I hate to tell you this but Ayn Rand laissez faire capitalism is completely outdated if we had no regulations on businesses,if we had no Federal Reserve, if we had no National Industrial Recovery Act there would be no middle class, the middle class would simply be non existent! Don't believe me? The top 1% has 40% of the nations wealth, now just imagine laissez faire capitalism applied to that. case closed

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The Japanese were not going to give up, at all it was one of their policies us traumatizing them with the atom bomb was the only genuine way to send the message telling them we want them to surrender.

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Without the Manhattan Project we could still be fighting the second world war!

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Yes considering that they largely contributed to the establishment of America, however their views on government are outdated and it has been proven to be such in 1929 with the great depression, a result of laissez faire capitalism. Additionally I must add that the constitution was in fact a compromise the founders did not agree on the establishment of the country and the constitution was a compromise. Thomas Jefferson believed that the constitution was something to be re-written every 19 years one of the first mistakes in this nations history was in 1795 when the constitution was apparently not re-written.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL ME
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Roosevelt's new deal reshaped American economics for about a century, he regulated businesses, passed the National Industrial Recovery Act and guided America out of the great depression. Reagan had sold weapons to Iran and increased out debt.

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The further the left you go, the more socialistic

And the more right you go the more you lean into hierarchy where the top 1% gets 75% of the country's wealth while the 99% sufferers!

The idea redistributing the wealth is just wrong it hurts the people who work for their money

Much of our policies already harm the people who work for money, the income tax in general takes away money people worked for and yet without it the government would not be able to function properly, income taxes give money to the government who uses wisely.

and enables those who do nothing to benefit from the hard work of others.

So your solution is to just ignore the poor and middle class while having the system benefit rich people and corrupt big business, Gotcha.

United States welfare, which provides not incentives for actually finding a paying job rather than living off government money

Look at Norway, they are a welfare state and they are one of the riches countries on earth! I rest my case

The notion of government funded healthcare is a bad idea.

So what exactly is your solution of the more the 3 million Americans without health insurance, last time I checked the traditional conservative solution is to die quickly! having more unfortunate people without healthcare die, that sounds very "pro-life" to me. This is another example of why other countries happen to be beating us, every developed country has free health care with the US as an exception!

Liberal views on gun control are just wrong.

Conservative views on gun control (gun anarchy) are FAR worse!

Just because not everyone needs or wants to own a gun doesn't mean it should be hard to get one

Great an attack on background checks! Look we don't want to make it harder for everyone to get guns, we just want to make it harder for criminals and psychopaths to get guns. And you should not bitch about guns until assault rifles are outlawed which is as common sense as you can get on guns.

The death penalty is a perfectly justifiable act for a person who has committed such a serious crime as murder.

Capital punishment is one of the most embarrassing and outdated things we have retained in this country, again it shows the hypocrisy on Republicans of being pro-life only in the case of a fetus but when you are in a foreign country the US does not happen to like, lacking healthcare or are a "convicted" criminal all of a sudden the Republicans say fuck life, plus the damn thing is rather ineffective! 68% of people who have been convicted to capital punishment have later been proven to be innocent as libertarian God Ron Paul agrees. Don't bother using the deterrent excuse since the murder rate in death penalty states are higher than the murder rates in non death penalty states, so it must be a shitty deterrent!

Most liberals, including one of my best friends, seem to argue that it's more humane to keep a mass-murderer in prison for life, spending million of dollars in food, clothing, equipment, etc.

The fact keeping a mass-murderer on death row for years and than committing capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison suddenly makes life in prison a more welcoming choice doesn't it? I needn't argue with that.

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The further the left you go, the more socialistic

And the more right you go the more you lean into hierarchy where the top 1% gets 75% of the country's wealth while the 99% sufferers!

The idea redistributing the wealth is just wrong it hurts the people who work for their money

Much of our policies already harm the people who work for money, the income tax in general takes away money people worked for and yet without it the government would not be able to function properly, income taxes give money to the government who uses wisely.

and enables those who do nothing to benefit from the hard work of others.

So your solution is to just ignore the poor and middle class while having the system benefit rich people and corrupt big business, Gotcha.

United States welfare, which provides not incentives for actually finding a paying job rather than living off government money

Look at Norway, they are a welfare state and they are one of the riches countries on earth! I rest my case

The notion of government funded healthcare is a bad idea.

So what exactly is your solution of the more the 3 million Americans without health insurance, last time I checked the traditional conservative solution is to die quickly! This is another example of why other countries happen to be beating us, every developed country has free health care with the US as an exception!

Liberal views on gun control are just wrong.

Conservative views on gun control (gun anarchy) are FAR worse!

Just because not everyone needs or wants to own a gun doesn't mean it should be hard to get one

Great an attack on background checks! Look we don't want to make it harder for everyone to get guns, we just want to make it harder for criminals and psychopaths to get guns. And you should not bitch about guns until assault rifles are outlawed which is as common sense as you can get on guns.

The death penalty is a perfectly justifiable act for a person who has committed such a serious crime as murder.

Capital punishment is one of the most embarrassing and outdated things we have retained in this country, plus the damn thing is rather ineffective! 68% of people who have been convicted to capital punishment have later been proven to be innocent as libertarian God Ron Paul agrees. Don't bother using the deterrent excuse since the murder rate in death penalty states are higher than the murder rates in non death penalty states, so it must be a shitty deterrent!

Most liberals, including one of my best friends, seem to argue that it's more humane to keep a mass-murderer in prison for life, spending million of dollars in food, clothing, equipment, etc.

The fact keeping a mass-murderer on death row for years and than committing capital punishment is more expensive than life in prison suddenly makes life in prison a more welcoming choice doesn't it? I needn't argue with that.

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She's allowed to get involved, in fact it was me who interrupted your debate it happens all the time on this site.

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I think that question was directed the other way around, would you be happy without a purpose?

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I like to live for today .

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Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being, abortion for the most part legal hence it is not murder.

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Again, it doesn't fucking matter, They were progressive get over it!

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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This is how

from Job 3:16-19

"Or why was I not as a hidden untimely birth, as infants that never see the light? There the wicked cease from troubling, and there the weary are at rest. There the prisoners are at ease together; they hear not the voice of the taskmaster. The small and the great are there, and the slave is free from his master."

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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This is how

from Job 3:16-19

"Or why was I not as a hidden untimely birth, as infants that never see the light? There the wicked cease from troubling, and there the weary are at rest. There the prisoners are at ease together; they hear not the voice of the taskmaster. The small and the great are there, and the slave is free from his master."

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I don't think the founders were doing that LOL that kind of proves my point.

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Technically The Bible is pro-abortion but this argument is kinda insignificant to your point.

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It still does not fucking matter though, technically speaking they were liberals.

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Also, for the love of God, don't return to the corporations are evil argument

Corporations have been bribing our politicians in government with money to serve their corporate agenda, of course they are evil.

Not only have they fucked up the meaning and purpose of Democracy, but they have even directly hacked into it. In the election of 2004 corporations like Diebold and Premier literally raised the margin of error to its highest percentage in history, a 2006 study confirms these machines are more susceptible to tampering and a whistle blower also came out and revealed that the results on the machines were in fact hacked!

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Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of what Liberalism has done to us today. All of them were deeply Conservative

Our Founding Fathers were self described progressives and obviously such.

keeping in mind most Liberal viewpoints on gun control and SOPA/PIPA

What exactly is wrong with having background checks and banning assault weapons which are not even necessary?

Supporting SOPA/PIPA are viewpoints only establishment Democrats have, no genuine liberal supports those.

The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve, nor will he ever receive, either.

Coming from the same political ideology that gave us the patriot act.

That sounds more like something a Libertarian would say and not a conservative. You might want to check out Libertarianism.

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The left, in my eyes, is an encroaching tide of socialism

How exactly is it an encroaching tide of socialism?

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On November 11th 2001 a study confirmed that had Florida persisted to recount its votes than Al Gore would have led. So while George W Bush won the election as a historical event, under the very nature of our law Al Gore won.

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In 2000 the state of Florida was too close to call but with a Bush lead, he lead by under 0.5% of votes which means by state law their has to be a recount. And so they recounted however this process was supposed to take a long time, remember about 6 million people voted in Florida in 2000 and it was hand paper recounts, not only that but protesters who did not want a recount distracted the recounters from getting their job done pretty soon this caught the attention of federal courts in Florida where secretary of state Katherine Harris began getting involved in the recount decision who was and activist for the Bush/Cheney campaign and is responsible Data Base Technologies which knocked many Democratic voters off the voting rolls which had probably lead to the hacked results in the first place! Anyway she had made recount deadlines throughout the month until eventually she had decided to stop all of the voter recounts and give Florida's 25 electoral votes to Gov. George W Bush. The Democrats went to the supreme court to give Florida permission to continue recounting votes unfortunately the members in the supreme court voted no 5-4 and forced Gore to concede. A November 11th 2001 study confirmed that had the recounts persisted Al Gore would have led in Florida! After the 2000 election President Bush signed the Help America Vote Act in 2002 which led to the problems in the next presidential election.

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The concept of hell is too much and too overwhelming therefore if God really was real and additionally was a cool guy to get along with I would fuckin worship him. Unfortunately the possibility of his existence is out of the question in my mind, this shits not real so it will not happen!

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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Notice it said LOL meaning laughing out loud, meaning I was just kidding! I am tolerant.

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why would you feel sorry for my wife?

Because you are "very conservative!" LOL

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Our computer screens are made of RBG pixels so it's not yellow regardless.

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So you're saying that we shouldn't have a military?

No, I am saying we don't need to spend more money on the military industrial complex.

I might not think that I need to take Vitamin C, but I probably do. It should still be my decision whether I want to purchase it or not.

The consequence of not buying vitamin C is much smaller than the consequence of not having healthcare. It is a humanitarian benefit to have universal healthcare it would save many lives! Every other developed country has free health care! Besides most people happen to like the provision in the affordable health care act so it is popular.

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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The debated is called "the world would be a better place if people were generally more I happen to think people should be more discontent but not completely discontent they can still be grateful sometimes but should be mostly discontent.

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The military defends us.

by putting their life on the line, so spending anymore money on the military industrial complex is in fact helping death.

Not everyone thinks that they need healthcare

They might not think they need healthcare but they probably do.

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I'm a sophomore but I would recommend not to fuck with anyone older than you LOL!

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Give me an example of how the Democratic party is left enough even Roosevelt would not stay while excluding Obamacare

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God created the men that created atheism, wouldn't he be able to predict that?

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I'll give you Wilson and Lincoln but FDR was extremely liberal he would probably be in favor of the affordable health care act if alive today! I will give you the segregation argument though but I get the feeling that if he didn't die he would probably come out in favor of the abolition of segregation the same way Obama came out in favor of gay marriage his feelings would evolve on the issue until he changes his mind.

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I doubt they will go that far! But I should bring up Capitalism before Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal was just bad as socialism would be. There wasn't even really a middle class. What liberals want to do is move to an economic system as far away from hierarchy as possible and they also want a middle ground system we are also very inspired by how many foreign countries are doing it they are in great shape with things like free health care!

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That is still not complete socialism though that is just post new deal regulative capitalism. I support this system because pre new deal capitalism is just as hierarchical as socialism.

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Well you were prejudging.

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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As I said earlier neo conservatism Isn't really that traditional.

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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Did he tamper with any of the verses at all? Or is it an exact duplicate of the original Bible, I've never read the Jefferson Bible but I assumed it was to conform to modernity.

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Oh and I can't stand socialization of things like healthcare!

I don't see a huge problem with it, it gives over 3,0000 people health insurance! Also if you have a business there is really no need to worry about the individual mandate under the affordable health care act only businesses with 50+ employers have to give health insurance to their workers, this literally only effects 1% of businesses. So I don't really see a big need to panic about Obamacare, just relax and let it happen.

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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Just because you visualize me as being upset does not mean I am hostile.

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It's attempting to close the gap between the rich and the poor.

We aren't anywhere close to that. The top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth if liberals are trying to close the gap between the rich and the poor than they're doing a pretty shitty job at it!

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Current liberals want to transform America, where as conservatives want to stick with the original values.

Not completely, conservatives used to stick the original foreign policy until 2001 then they adopted the neo-conservative view point which isn't that genuinely conservative.

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Second, Jefferson didn't rewrite the Bible. He wrote down all of his favorite verses and made it into a separate book.

I'm pretty sure Jefferson took out his favorite parts of the Bible and additionally modernized some of the verses to conform to modernity, I don't think he viewed the Bible as a perfect book.

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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I wasn't really even being hostile, liberalism is just the natural rivalry of conservatism so I thought it would be appropriate to hit the dispute button. If you have such a problem with that I will just hit the clarify button (which I am doing right now).

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Wanting to raise the minimum wage to $12+ an hour, for instance? That's like dropping a bomb on everything capitalism stands for.

That's not socialism, that's simple economic regulation. Second of all if raising the minimum wage is dropping a bomb on everything that capitalism stands for than government control of all distribution of wealth (actual socialism) would be a modern day earth destroying NUKE! on capitalist values.

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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GOOD FOR YOU!

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Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt would be a modern-day conservatives? Are you serious? And second of all the pre-Wilson liberals were progressives for the standards of their time the founding fathers and Abraham Lincoln were great liberals. Even Lincoln would be a liberal if he were alive today in 2013.

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First of all our founding fathers were not even religious the majority of them were deists, Thomas Jefferson even re wrote The Bible! Second of all today's standards don't even really matter they were VERY progressive in those standards! Besides they were self described progressives.

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I could say the same thing about your conservatism, but I didn't.

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So your conservative, I'm liberal

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Actually two good progressives were assassinated lets not forget about Lincoln. Also I think most liberals have been good, from our founding fathers to modern Democrats!

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liberal .

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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Seriously look that shit up out founding fathers were in fact progressives.

Also prove that liberals are socialists.

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Our founding fathers were liberals! I rest my case.

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Well neither is the conservative record, they are especially terrible on their social policy (speaking as a former libertarian.)

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I thought you said in another debate that you were bipartisan and would additionally defend liberals from conservatives if they become hostile.

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We have things like tv,computers,etc because of great inventors who wanted to make life better. Not because they were discontent or displeased.

Improvements are the result of discontent with the absence of or the inferior product of it thus people make improvements because they are displeased of a life lacking. This is even more obvious with corrections of inferior products. If somebody walked up to you and showed you a project that you would be displeased with you would make it better because you were disappointed.

Being grateful doesn't mean to stop improving, in fact that has nothing to do with the meaning of the word.

Actually that is the precise meaning of the word the only time when you are told to be grateful of what you have is when you are pointing out a flaw in it. This avoids the willingness to be creative and to improve the situation.

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I am a liberal because I believe progressivism is a virtue! I believe in social tolerance (legalizing gay marriage, abortion etc) I am discontent about the system. I am opposed to how the establishment works. Because I believe the security of the individual is more important than the security of authorities, that's one of the reasons I am opposed to the war on drugs. I believe in civil liberties. I believe isolationism is best for the well being of our national security and national securities worldwide! I am opposed to wiretapping/spying as well which is something both Democrats and Republicans fail to understand is wrong. I am a secular person and I oppose Republican theocracy! I believe in science and reality and believe that Climate Change is a real threat to the planet and I believe the government should get involved in it. I think the government should have a roll in making a better society and make life easier for people, I also think they deserve the financial authority they have to do it. I support the new deal which arguably created a middle class! And I believe regulative capitalism is the furthest system from hierarchy, the new deal kept capitalism away from its hierarchical roots and I say we keep it that way! I am a progressive because I believe that the world would be a much better place if all the people were living for today, as Thomas Jefferson once said "the living should be governed by the living, not the dead."

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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LOL read my argument than change your answer because my argument is so fucking persuasive!

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I am discontent with your argument!

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A discontent society is a progressive society and thus with progress comes improvement. If people were grateful for what they have nothing would happen to make things any better, we have personal computers now because people knew we missed something and were discontent, we have television because we were discontent without it. Many things have happened as a result of dissatisfaction without those things and all of that would be put on hold if we were grateful for what we have!

libertyFTW(213) Clarified
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