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I just want to mention a couple of problems with what you said:

define god, define "ultimate and supreme reality" (does the supremeness make it more real?! wtf that means?!)

prove that "These other gods do exist, but they are created beings.", prove that there is a true eternal God, prove the Christian god exists, prove that the "ultimate and supreme" god is the Christian god...

and then you will be done :)

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ok, this sounds absurd to me

"To me, my God is the one true God", what does that mean? do you believe in that god? do you hold the opinion that he is real?

well if you are talking about the Christian god than that directly contradicts the Islamic god, for example, so you cant believe in both... being "willing to accept other peoples faith in their God" isn't the same as believing in that god yourself and is not what the argument above proposed

and no, "acknowledgement that those Gods could exist." is also not the same as believeing in them

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ok, this is SO idiotic...

thats just a basic law of logic, in mathematics (and science in general) you have to PROVE something to be true, you cant just say "look at the trees, dont they seem created" or give a theoretical model...

if i tell you unicorns exist will you just believe me? or will you ask for evidence to back up that assertion? will you just believe anything without proof? how do you check what's true and what isn't?

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this is exactly why I think Christianity is toxic... it constantly encourages control through fear, as you have clearly demonstrated with your comment

so thanks :)

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first of all, just because we don't currently have an explanation for something doesn't mean that God did it, that's called the god of the gaps fallacy:

but just for the sake of it, i am gonna address your examples

1. in theoretical physics the answer would be: yes...? kinda ( you have to remember that what a physicist considers nothing and what you consider nothing is very different, so it's hard to answer that question if you aren't an expert)

2. define information and define a blank state

3. yes, weve managed to do that in a lab

4. yes, evolution, which is a proven theory, clearly shows that we evolved from apes

5. if by mind you mean a brain: yes, also because of evolution... if not, then define a mind

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also since most of the bible is based on the jewish religion does this mean that theres a 50/50 chance on which one of them is true?

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if anything, its more of a proof of "the matrix" so to speak, the idea that we are living inside a virtual reality:

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first of all if the bible really says this things i would like you to give exact quotes

1. "personal, non-reproducible experience", nope... it is at about the same popularity level for awhile now

"Then the end will come", the internet is the end...? of what?! the meme free world?


"Atheism takes hold in mass.",most of americqa is still christian... in the rest of the world its even worse


"The beast system emerges.", i doubt islam fits this description very well... and even if it does they had simailar religions back than and even beforehand

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this "personal, non-reproducible experience" is usually not something objective like hearing god speak to you or something, rather its usually a feeling or an unlikely event, and the small percentage that it is otherwise for probably are crazy since people from many different faiths claim to have this "personal, non-reproducible experience"s

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i would completely agree, but so is science... its just not for everybody

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than they need science, but i could say:

ok but what if a programmer wants to change career to a songwriter

and than you would have to answer "than they need music"

is that a proof that we should teach music as a manditory subject?

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"being able to garden as a hobby", i have a sister who doesnt know anything about science and she has a homemade garden... a successful one too

"Almost all music artists need technology nowadays.", yea... you are using a computer right now but that doesnt make you an engineer

like i said... im a big fan of science but that doesnt mean everybody is like me

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i know, but sadly... not everybody is a critical thinker frankly speaking

also, i wouldnt say its quite the best

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i utterly completely agree!

im learning for a programmin degree and what ive noticed is that the programming languages and the specific skills required are constantly changing but what remains the same is the core logic... you need to know how to adapt and think quickly efficently and independently

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are you telling me a poet or a songwriter needs to know the periodic table? because i would strongly disagree

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i would support maths till a certain point, and same thing for english... but most people wont use what they learned in the science class in there life, im a big fan of science but i still think it shouldnt be manditory

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i would give children much more choice on what to learn and make much less mandatory subjects... make the system more personal

how much of what you learned in school actually turned out to be useful in life... probably not a lot

like albert einstein said: "Everybody is a Genius. But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid"

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i would argue against that, we shouldnt just follow whichever ideology makes us feel better... we should find the truth, true happiness doesnt come from self deception by means of irrational beliefs... it comes from something real, something honest

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NO, you misunderstood my point, even if it DOES make you feel better it still compromises your logical thinking

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jesus christ, stop getting offended over everything ;)

seriously tho i found what you were talking about, i didnt try to offend you, its just how i talk, im not gonna apologize for that

and you call me pc -_-

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so you are not arguing from a place of finding out the truth, you are arguing from a place of "it makes people feel better", and it does... however it also makes them act irationally, it makes them weaker in the simplest way to put it... take fromwithin for example: he uses his belief in god to justify his belief that homosexuals shouldnt be able to marry

frankly, i think its time for the human race to outgrow such childish ideas

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you know... i find it rather strange that fromwithin which constantly calls everyone politically correct doesnt want to say something in his defense

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the only reason im responding to you is this: "and you don't even know how the first living cell mystically and magically popped to life", lets clear up this logical fallacy

yes, we dont know how did the first living organism come to exist... we already know of a couple of options which could have occured but we will probably never know the exact reason and event... but that doesnt mean we cant prove all living creatures are connected in a family tree and trace it all back to one living organism, yes we dont know everything... but religion doesnt know anything, it just assumes everything instead

more specifically this logical fallacy is called "god of the gaps" or as i like to call it "we dont know, therefore god":

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1 and 2 both make sense in combination with 3 (which was my main point) and your explanation for 3 doesnt make much sense:

what "very conscious decision"? groups split off and combine all the time in the animal kingdom... or else there would only be one group of each species, frankly thats something only we humans manage to do, and no it wouldnt have to be such a huge group, why would it?

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