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A) The government isn't making enough tax revenue to substantiate all the existing and speculative social benefits you want, which leads it to take loans that it obviously can't cover, which will lead to a recession which will degrade our living standards into oblivion.

B) The economic stagnation that is caused by the extensive taxation that the government partakes in order to cover the existing social benefits is degrading our living standards to the extent that we would be better off without said social benefits and by extension taxation as we would be free to spend our money.

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never mind this, i don't know how to delete a reply.....................

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Oh god the irony, nowhere have I stated that socialism or communism necessitates expanding the state, effectively making your argument a straw man. Other than that, as you seem to advocate communism, here is my argument against it:

As far as I understand communism is a societal state in which each member of society contributes the entirety of their labor to a common inventory which each member of society has equal access to. If that is the case can I take more than I contribute to the common inventory? If true that means someone else is left with less than he contributed in which case why would that person want to be part of a communist society? Can I only take as much as I contribute? if that is the case why be part of a communist society in the first place?

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Do I seriously need to explain why high tax rates stagnate the economy? please educate yourself.

Oh and here's the definition of a straw man so you stop randomly accusing me of using one.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/169/Strawman-Fallacy

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First of all it should go into paying off the national debt obviously, and after that it shouldn't exist, taxation should be reduced and kept to a minimum, so does government spending.

Again, you're ignoring the fact that:

A) The government isn't making enough tax revenue to substantiate all the existing and speculative social benefits you want, which leads it to take loans that it obviously can't cover, which will lead to a recession which will degrade our living standards into oblivion.

B) The economic stagnation that is caused by the extensive taxation that the government partakes in order to cover the existing social benefits is degrading our living standards to the extent that we would be better off without said social benefits and be extension taxation as we would be free to spend our money.

If we increase the corporate tax rate the corporation will move to countries with lower corporate tax rate and we'd lose both the corporations to tax and the employment they bring.

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The taxation that is required in order to fund your failing safety net is stagnating the economy to the extent that people would be better off (living standards wise) without it. Not to mention that Your government doesn't even make enough tax revenue to pay for it, it relies on loans that it obviously can't pay, which will eventually lead to a recession. Oh, and Prove that people would've died without your safety net.

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And to think you told me I'm ignorant of the reality of modern western economic systems. Countries rack up national debt in the way of the government spending more money than it collects by taxation, and on what does the government spend the most? welfare and social programs. Other than that you're operating on the assumption that living standards will decrease as a result of the government ceasing it's social programs, which isn't the case.

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Yes indeed, each and every modern western society is, in fact, your blend of socialism and capitalism, and almost each and every modern western society is racking up national debt at an exponential rate, which is inevitably going to lead to a global recession.

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Excluding the fact that you choose whether or not to invest in an insurance while in communism someone forcefully takes your stuff and puts it in the kitty, What determines whether you need something or not?

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The argument you present here shows a level of ignorance of the reality of modern western economic systems that it's hard to know where to start.

Capitalism with very few regulation and laws that prevent cronyism is what works best. It fails hard when people give the government power over the market which Inevitably leads to corporations using the government as a pawn to tighten their grip over the market. - that's precisely the opposite of what really works, and it's what we're seeing right now.

See? I can do this too, so do you want to continue spewing your beliefs without backing them in any way shape or from? because it amounts to nothing.

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quote a paragraph from my text and explain why it's wrong because as far as I understand your argument is a bunch of sophist BS

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Your insinuation that my argument is a refutation of an argument you didn't make in order to ridicule an argument you did apparently make thus making my argument a straw man is a straw man in and of itself. My argument is unrelated to you or anything you've said, it's a claim that may or may not be true in fact.

So do the rich do posses some object that can be passed around and allows them to generate wealth?

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Excluding the fact that you ignored my point and focused on marginal allegories i gave in order to explain my point, production isn't the creation of new material, it's the acquisition and/or rearrangement of material.

My point is that the rich don't posses some object that can be passed around and allows them to generate wealth, they simply invest in the production of goods, something that everyone can do.

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Equality and equity are synonymous and what I meant is that gender equality makes no sense, not that equality in terms of rights makes no sense.

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Only a fool believes his ideal reality is reality, what you see as truth will always be partially false.

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There's nothing that indicates the absence of equality of opportunity

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I think your conflating inequality with unfair treatment as there can't be racial equality as there are physical and mental differences between races. And why would I say freedom of religion makes no sense?

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inequality isn't synonymous with unfair treatment, which I specified that I'm against.

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Green-eyed people have green eyes and brown-eyed people have brown eyes

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Quantumhead,

Yes, the people thought "being subjugated to the will of one man's right by bloodline and/or conquest to rule over their life and death, worked" in the sense of protection from foreign invaders that would not only subjugate them but kill them and steal their produce. Remember, democracy wasn't even a concept back then, it was slowly developed as oligarchy slowly died after decades of trial and error. If you asked a medieval peasant if he supports the king, he would most likely say he does as the king provides order and protection. Do you think anyone could forcefully rule over someone else for an elongated period of time? where does someone's prowess over someone else even come from? the king is one while the people are many. why do you think the British are so proud of their queen if oligarchy is solely a symbol of oppression?

other than that, i'd like to know how you highlight text if you don't mind informing me.

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Quantumhead,

Yes, everything moves forward, but through slow pragmatism, people constantly try new things and what fails dies out while what works better stays. Virtually no positive progression ever came from a swift and forceful implementation of anything.

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xljackson

at who is your comment directed at? because I really don't understand your argument.

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really? so you're saying that the people Antifa deems nazi's and the self proclaimed nazi's Antifa is attacking murdered Jews? and even if they did, we have a justice system.

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Hitler was an animal lover, are you good with him? and why do you think it's ok to attack Nazis and white supremacists?


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