DMS 7th Period Debate: Should African Artifacts Be Returned to Africa?
**This debate is part of a test grade and only for DMS students, please.**
Requirements for this debate:
-You must write a detailed, original (your own) response to EACH SIDE (2 comments) that includes sources/evidence (sources from packet, artifacts from Pop-Up Museum, and Declaration of Human Rights)
-You must reply to other comments (in a respectful, polite way) and vote (thumbs up/down) on comments.
Questions to think about, write about:
---Is it more important that artifacts be seen in their original
location or by the most number of people in a museum location (even if it is in
another country)?
---Is it okay to remove artifacts in order to keep them safe
from destruction (weather, war, etc.)?
---Is there a difference between "spoils of war" and art acquired through corruption and theft?
Yes, returned to Africa.
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No, stay where they are.
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I think they need to be returned back to Africa and here is why. --As source one says... " These treasures belong to Africa," and " People of those countries should be able to see the treasures their ancestors created." And it is hard for a lot of Africans to travel all over the world just to see what their great great grandparents created about 300 years ago. -- In a small excerpt in source 2, the president was talking about how his people have been long grieving these missing artifacts and that the people of Ethiopia are thinking it is about time to get their artifacts/treasures returned. -- If you would go back and read source 3 then you could see the tone of the prince and realize how they feel. What I got from source three is that he thinks that Britain is "hogging all the worlds treasures" Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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In favor of the Africa deserves their artifacts side, here are a few short reasons why. -African artifacts are a part of AFRICAN history, hence the name. People in Africa would like their artifacts, in their history it is very important. The president of Ethiopia knows that his people are grieving the loss of their artifacts. -The artifacts that Africa has lost were mostly stolen anyway, yes it is true that some were sold to tourists in market fronts, but that doesn't mean all of them were. You can tell that the ones made of brass and bronze were obviously not sold, considering that brass was a material for the royal. -According to source #7, the bottom blog post says that, "These countries that want them back should have thought about letting them dig in the first place." People in the present had NO CONTROL over what the Europeans did so many years ago!! In conclusion, if the place that the artifacts were apart of want them back, then give them back. Europe has had them for years anyway. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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These artifacts currently in the British museums and other famous museums do not deserve the right to have these ancient artifacts in their exhibits. I say this because in source 5 it states that, they do not deserve these ancient treasures that were lost many, many years ago due to the battles that they unfairly won from the Ancient Africans during colonization. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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The africans have a right and that right was violated long ago. That right was the right to religion. The europeans should give the africans their property back. It is their heritage their ancestors made these before they learned to read and write. Source #4 states and shows that the europeans know this is wrong and not theirs. Give them back their treasure and your giving them back their rights. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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i agree and even though they were taken the English still refuse to accept it it says in source 9 that they were bought in the market place which is just a plain lie. And besides the past is in the past why cant they give them the art back like how the gave Scotland the stone of scone to be honest it sounds like there still holding grudges against Africa and will do whatever to keep the stolen art. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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The African artifacts should be returned because of many reasons. The reason can be found thorough source 1,5 let's get started! Source one" These treasures belong in Africa,as that's where they where they were looted from". In other words give back what you stole,we should be kind as humans so let give back what we stole from Africa.Also 'should be able to see the treasures their ancestors created".Let them have the past back,if their ancestors made them who are others to take the past from them. If anyone was in their shoes i doubt that they would like what happening to them so put their shoes on and see what is really the true story. In source 56 it says "It's time they stopped hogging the world's treasures" I don't like how rude they sound but they have a point. It is time for them to let the artifacts turn back home, what if their home sick? Let's return them to Africa Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think Africa deserves to have their artifacts back because.. Source #1: People should be able to be proud and desire the artifacts that their ancestors created. The Europeans don't deserve the things they stole from Africa more than Africa itself. They didn't even get permission to take Africa's belongings also which makes it irrelevant . Source #4: People are seeing artifacts that amaze them from Africa but the even better thing to do is to return them to Africa so the actual African people see what their people have done. Source #3: The British don't even desire the artifacts as much as the actual African people do. Why do they require all that. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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In source #1 it says that a person who was born in Britain said "These treasures belong in Africa, as that's where they were looted from,' says British-born Pankhurst..." This statement proves that people in Africa want there artifacts back and some people who are living in the place where they are now wish they could return the artifacts back to the place where they were created. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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These artifacts should be returned to Africa because they belong there. It is their place of origin and the people of Africa understand its importance more than anyone and would protect it well. They also deserve it to be returned to Africa because they are grieved for and should be placed in the hands of the residents of its creator. The artifacts are more important to them and are worth fighting for. Source 2 is a good representation of this because it shows how the Africans grieve. And source three shows how the Africans don't truly trust the other museums with their artifacts because it is of less importance. Kaboom. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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Yes, they should returned the artifacts back to Africa, and this is why; In source 1, Richard Pankhurst states that, "These treasures belong in Africa, as that's where they were looted from, ' says British-born Pankhurst, who now resides in Ethiopia and specialises in Ethiopian studies. 'People of those countries should be able to see the treasures their ancestors created." In source 2, it state that: In the letter... the president of Ethiopia wrote: "I must state that Ethiopia have long grieved at the loss of their national heritage. Ethiopians feel that this act of appropriation had no justification in international law. I feel, therefore, that the time has come for the return of Ethiopia's looted treasures." Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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Here are a few of the reasons I think that the artifacts should be returned to Africa. -- In source #2 the President of Ethiopia stated, "Ethiopians feel that this act of appropriation had no justification in international law." -- He used the word appropriation meaning taking something away for one's own use without permission from the owner. --Also he thought that, the artifacts are part of all Africans national heritage therefore it would be wrong to not give them back. --According to source #1 the citizens of Africa should be able to learn more about their heritage by seeing the artifacts their ancestors created. --In source #3 it states that the English returned the Stone of Scone to Scotland but yet they can't return some artifacts to Africa. --According to Sindika Dokolo the artwork should be sold back to the Africans for the same price it was when it was stolen. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I believe that most artifacts should should be returned to Africa. The reason I am saying most of the artifacts should be returned is because I believe that any African items in any museum should have replicas made of them and keep those but send the originals should be sent back to Africa. I also believe that any artifacts bought fairly should be kept in the museums. They bought them fairly but any that were taken during the war should be returned as soon as possible. I also think that they should be returned as soon as possible because they do belong in Africa, the people whose ancestors made the artifacts have the right to have them returned in the same condition they took the artifacts in. I think that people should be educated about Africa's culture, their art style and just about Africa and in general. People do need to be educated about Africa and what resources they have. I have to agree keeping the artifacts has the opportunity to show merit, think of who these artifacts really belong to. They belong to their creators and their descendants. It is also quite important that the artifacts should be seen where they were created. I do believe it is okay to remove artifacts from their home if you are afraid of their destruction, as long as you do return them when the threat has passed. Don't even get me started about the spoils of war as mentioned in source #8. I personally think the spoils of war should be used in some cases, for example when the civilization is destroyed. Africa is not destroyed and therefore the artifacts should be returned. I must agree with the President Of Ethiopia as said in source #2. There is a difference between the spoils of war and theft, the spoils of war is when the civilization is destroyed. Theft is when the country still lives and you unfairly keep the artifacts. The artwork is the property of who created it and that is that! Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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--Should African artifacts be returned to Africa? Yes they should as Prince Edun Akenzua stated "Those things that were removed were chapters of our history books." --Is it more important that artifacts be seen in their original location or by the most number of people in a museum?
I believe they should be returned to their original location so that the people who live in africa can see what their ancestors made. In a letter The president of Ethiopia said "I must state that the Ethiopians have long grieved at the loss of this part of their national heritage." This is why they should be returned to africa. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
They should be returned to Africa because it is their cultures items and they were stolen so it would be better to put it in its original place. - The people from England came in and just stole most of their items and put them in museums so then people could look at them but they could have just made replicas and put them in their museums -people put a lot of effort into making those things that they stole so many hours of work were lost when they stole them also some people have killed people and stole their items so they cant look back at it also Somme was broken so that was another loss. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I hate those nasty Europeans that are always stealing from these innocent villages that have done nothing to them. I would fight to my death for these historical artifacts that would bring back my culture to reality and it will no longer be questioned by humanity. "When we saw the removal as a grave injustice and we are hoping that someday people will see why we are asking for these artifacts back," says Prince Edun. I would love if the prince was still alive because i would help him win against the Europeans to give us back the artifacts that rightfully belong to us Africans. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think that there was a stupid statement in source nine because it says " The artifacts should stay in foreign countries because of Africa's wars and poverty" This is completely and utterly wrong because Africa is not ALL wars and not all of Africa is one country. There are just wars in a few countries and not all countries have poverty or are under the poverty line. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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The African artifacts that were taken/looted should be returned because like source 3 says people didn't know how to write so they made sculptures and bronze casts of historical events, therefore the Europeans took pieces of history which African children could be learning from. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
think about all those years the Africans spent on that art the detail the materials and then the English comes in and takes it and says that they bought it but it was just a lie. They ''claim'' to want to spread education and even give the excuse ''We cant give them back because of law only the governments can control it'' in source #7. My point is that there other ways to spread education so why this.Why take something and call it education why not make replicas or ask permission to take some less important art that would not be missed by others. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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Here are some more reasons... -Source 4: The Africans don't give them the right to steal their art to spread culture. The Africans can even sell the museums the art but they just stole them. -Source 5:The museums hog all of the world's cultural arts and not letting the actual place have their art. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
I Agree with this because it is critical that Africans learn there culture that happened long ago.Source 3 states that Prince Edun states that European museums should make replicas and return the real artifacts back to where they came from... Africa!!! Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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Then again on the other hand the europeans conquered the africans and if you take over a place you take over its properties. In source #9 it states most of these artifacts were bought in the marketplace. In that case why should they have to give the artifacts back. Side: No, stay where they are.
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Not all the artifacts here were all stolen or looted from "unfair colonization" as people on the other side of the argument would say. In source 6 it states that not all the artifacts were stolen, some were purchased as souvenirs the the British brought back. And even if they wanted to, the people in the museums can not just give back the artifacts, even if everyone who worked at the museum wanted to return them, as it states in source number 7. Side: No, stay where they are.
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People in Africa should have the right to see their own culture. People in countries lie those dont really have the ability to conjure up enough money for a plane ticket. People in first world countries have more of an opportunity, making it easier and more special to see the place were the artifacts were made along with the artifacts themselves. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think that African artifacts should NOT be returned, because we already have them here, and plus, they should not let people come and dig them up if they don't want them to take the artifacts. I can understand if they were not expecting people to come, but if they are selling these items, then it's OK to not return them. It also depends on what items were taken. If it was a symbol or something that represents the country, then that should be returned. But, more than likely that will not happen, because the looters would have been caught by then when they go to airports since the recruits check bags, and pockets before people get on airplanes to fly home. Side: No, stay where they are.
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I think the artifacts should stay in europe because if they give all the artifacts they lose money that they spent on the artifacts Plus in source #7 the british library has no control over the transfer of the artifacts and the government has all the power. Side: No, stay where they are.
I believe people should keep these items were they are right now. -Every single person deserves to see other cultures items and ways of living without having to pay huge amounts of money to get to that country to see them also people came and took them and those items had been in England for around 300 years and I see no point of giving them back now. -some people bought the items at stores or markets so they can keep them and study them BUT they don't need to be returned to Africa because those are that person's belongings so that would be considered stealing and that is their stuff so you could return the stolen stuff - They also should not take them back to Africa because they took it a long time ago so the people that they took it from are dead and their generation most likely are dead so they can't get it back so it won't matter to them as much. Also most likely it would cost less to remake the items so they can have fake replicas Side: No, stay where they are.
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In source 9 they say that Africa doesn't have enough resources to keep such precious artifacts. But I think that any artifacts that were taken from Africa without being bought should be returned and the Europeans should help teach Africans how to preserve these artifacts Side: No, stay where they are.
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Keeping these artifacts would be amazing to the British museum so that the entire world can see africa's awesome cultures artifacts and how it tells the past of the ancient culture. I know that keeping these artifacts away from africa is wrong but who doesn't want to see one of the oldest cultures in the world? According to the British Library they had no power to give back the manuscripts writen by the africans during this time period. The main cause of all of these artifacts getting looted was because of all of the poverty in africa and how their money was easy to steal, so that the Europeans had an advantage of taking over their land that they wanted from the africans. Keeping some parts of africa that were the most important parts of the continent were the parts that traded the most and were not below the poverty line. Side: No, stay where they are.
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In the dense of the stay side.. -The artifacts there would and will be more viewed, but maybe not more appreciated. -Just because you're not from Africa doesn't mean you can't have an interest in the art. -Some of the artifacts were sold to the Europeans, and I agree that those shouldn't be returned, but the ones that were stolen should be given back, since they went theirs in the first place. Side: No, stay where they are.
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These artifacts should all stay where they are, in Europe. The reason for this is because in Europe the artifacts will be visible to everybody. Therefore, if these artifacts are visible to everybody then we can learn more about the artifacts and more people can enjoy them. Side: No, stay where they are.
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I disagree i see your point but i think that Africa should get back there big chunk of history as it says in the packet from yesterday in a quote from prince Edun ''those things they took were like removing a chapter in a history book''. But i had a idea what if they made replicas and gave back the originals to Africa. Side: No, stay where they are.
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I say no, they should not return to Africa. My reasoning is that, while they are in other museums, other people can learn the diversity of Africa and their culture, as well as their history. They should also stay there because it would cost quite the amount of money to transport. And what good is it going to do in Africa, where most people know about the history of Africa already. It isn't smart to do because people who don't know about Africa probably won't want to travel all the way to Africa just to see and learn about the history and culture of Africa. And it is more prone to theft/robbery and is less protected in Africa, and it would cost a whole lot more money making institutions to hold these artifacts then it would to transport them. Boom. Side: No, stay where they are.
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I also think that source 6 and 7 are good representations of this because they show how it adds diversity to museums, and give more interesting information to people to show culture and diversity. And the two articles to the left on the back page support this just as well. And show how costly this would be. Side: No, stay where they are.
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i say these artifacts should stay there cause basically the European's fought for the artifacts and European's won and got all the artifacts they wanted to bring it back to the city and put it in museums to show everybody so they would also know the history behind those artifacts so the whole world would know what's behind artifacts. Side: No, stay where they are.
Source 9 states that Africa can not keep its booty because of its wars and poverty It also lacks the resources to even protect the priceless artifacts that they once owned.Source 10 states that in the history of which some of the artifacts were stolen, but in fact ALL the ARTIFACTS WERE NOT STOLEN due to the time in which it was considered LEGAL.Besides, IT WAS 300 YEARS AGO!!! Side: No, stay where they are.
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I disagree, source 9 may indeed state that the African's can not keep their "booty" but, they are the ones who created it making the Europeans technically thieves today, and we are discussing this in present times not in the past. Their artifacts are rightfully theirs! Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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The reason they should stay in Britain is because in source #9 states that there is lots of poverty and war in the country. It also says that Africa does not have the right "Institutions and Resources to protect these precious works." But one of the things stand out most to me is that they are questioning the ownership since almost all of them are bought from the market and the people who bought them are dead. Side: No, stay where they are.
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Should they return to Africa? No at least i don't think so, I'll be using source 6 to prove my point."objects as available as possible to a global audience" in short we want everyone as possible. They just want them(everyone) to see the artifacts that made history and told about the past. So just don't take it in a bad way all they want is to show it off,is that so wrong? I know you want it but isn't better for everyone to see it then just one person or group, I think so. Side: No, stay where they are.
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--Is it more important that artifacts should be seen in their original location or by the most number of people in a museum location. I believe they should stay in a museum so everyone around the world can see these amazing artifacts. Also their is nothing the library can do it is all up to the government. -- Should these artifacts be returned to Africa? No because right now Africa does not have the institutions and resources to protect these precious artifacts. Side: No, stay where they are.
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The artifacts should stay in Europe because it would influence the history of Africa's and Europeans understanding of that. It would create an understanding for all Europeans of the Africans culture. Suddenly taking all the artifacts away from Europe would be unreasonable and create more hate between the two continents. Africa might not have a stable enough endearment to keep the artifacts without them being stolen or destroyed as well as the chance of them all making it back to Africa completely safe and in good condition. Side: No, stay where they are.
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The artifacts should not be returned, this is why: In source 6, it states that ,"It is not the case that all African material in the museum's collection is 'looted,'... We feel it is essential that the diverse and varied cultures of Africa are represented in the collection so that our international audience can understand the impact of African material culture on the wider world." -Hannah Boulton of the British Museum Side: No, stay where they are.
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People in Africa can't just afford a plane ticket straight to Africa to go see parts of THEIR OWN history. They should have the right to see it over anyone else. Its also not impossible to make replicas of the art and send the real deals back to the place they were created and were the people that made them want them back. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I know how everyone has been saying that these artifacts should be returned back to Africa but who would not want to see the wonders of the world of Ancient Africa. Keeping these artifacts would help us learn so much about the ancient history of a continent that has had this culture for thousands of years. "It was the looting of Benin that made the African art visible to Europeans. When the seized artifacts were sold entering the collections of museums, there was a sense of surprise and mystification." So i believe that these artifacts should stay where they are now to show the world this awesome culture. Side: No, stay where they are.
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