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100 Reasons why its stupid to believe in evolution
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I know you don't want to discuss abiogenesis which is organic evolution because without it there cannot be evolution. I know the reason you want to separate the two issues and use it as an excuse for not watching or discussing the points of the video is because you know it's stupid to believe in abiogenesis. Because you don't want to discuss the points of the video any further, there is no further need of your comments here and to help you save your breath you are banned. Thanks. - Saintnow So is abiogenesis evolution or do you need it to explain evolution? Which is it? Not like it matters because either way you're wrong. Abiogenesis is the process by which life emerged from non life. Evolution is how life, after already emerging, diversified. Two totally different things. And you don't need to know how life emerged to know the process by which it diversified. Evolution is true regardless of how life began. I don't mind discussing abiogenesis at all. But your debate was about "100 reasons why EVOLUTION is stupid". So when Kent launches into a false assertion that evolution is abiogenesis that's just wrong. If we're gonna discuss evolution then define it properly. If we're gonna discuss abiogenesis then don't conflate it with evolution. That's not too much to ask. Furthermore, did you really expect me to sit here and type you a 10 page essay about why this over hour long video is wrong? Nobody is gonna do that and I entertained your request more than anyone else on this site would by watching it for more than 3 minutes. Also, why would I bother responding to it when right off the bat the guy we're supposed to treat as an authority on evolution completely botches the definition of the word he's supposed to be an expert on? Why would I entertain anything Kent hovind has to say after he shows how completely ignorant he is on the most basic biology definitions? I'm happy to continue discussing the video if you wanna present individual arguments to me instead of expecting me to weed through an hour long video. You sent me a video but it's not ok to respond with videos? Side: its stupid
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hahahahahahahh.............funny stuff Kent says "you mean the birds and the bananas had a common anscestor"......and the dark demon guy who seems to be on meth or crack bobbing his head in random jerky twists and and spins says "ummmmm, yeah, why are you surprised by that?" Hhahahahahhahh Good debunking there. That guy is on his way to Hell and he is parading in a costume like it's good to be in the dark. What idiots people like you can be, following other idiots to Hell. And then he launches into an explaination of WHY bananas and birds have a common ancestor. But you completely ignored that part. Yes why would Kent be surprised by that? If he actually understood what evolution says then that wouldn't surprise him. He also doesn't explain why that isn't true he just states "bananas and birds being related is just stupid" that isn't fucking debunking. Thats purely his opinion. Meanwhile Logicked actually explains what evolution says and why that statement is true. Watch more than 20 seconds of logickd s video. He gives clear citations and explainations of every argument hovind makes. Side: its stupid
hahahahahahahh.............funny stuff Kent says "you mean the birds and the bananas had a common anscestor"......and the dark demon guy who seems to be on meth or crack bobbing his head in random jerky twists and and spins says "ummmmm, yeah, why are you surprised by that?" Well I'll be a banana's monkey's uncle!!! And I thought you said you were an animal, now you claim to be a banana...........hahahahahahha Side: Its not
why can't you make an argument without cussing? Is it because you know your argument is weak, and rather than admit it you try to give it strength by sticking your stinking profanity in people's faces? Swearing is an attempt of a weak mind to express itself forcefully, and you can easily spot people who have a problem with abusive speech when they smile and you see empty spaces between their teeth. Side: Its not
Take whatever 5 animals you want and compare each against each other and again humans The degree of difference should be the same degree of difference relative to each otherer, between all 6 subjects - subjects being 5 animals of your choice and humans Its not reasonable for 1 species to evolve to extreme advancement above ALL others. They should all evolve at similar rates. And there should be similar animals that equally evolved in the same way. Intellegence Logic Technology Tools Agriculture Social establishment Government Reading Equations Qualities of character Conscience Justice Ideas and views Beliefs Emotions Goals Memories long term and short term Reasoning Physical coordination Creativity More and more and more .... Side: its stupid
Logic, Reading, Equations, Qualities of character, Conscience, Justice, Ideas and views, Beliefs, Emotions, Goals, and Creativity are all reasoning. Technology, tools, and agriculture are all the same thing. Government is just a part of Social establishment. So, your list actually becomes: Intelligence Reasoning Tools Social Structure Memories Physical Coordination So, not much difference between humans and other animals. Side: Its not
No they are not the same thing Common Cartman Humans created languages, then learned read and write in languages. Which other animal is capable of achieving this thought process eventually ending in creating language, defining words, describing things, writing stories, reading stories, doing research and categorizing. All using languages reading and writing?? Side: its stupid
No they are not the same thing Sorry, but they are. Which other animal is capable of achieving this thought process eventually ending in creating language, defining words, describing things, writing stories, reading stories, doing research and categorizing. All using languages reading and writing?? That's only 1 thing though. Side: Its not
I figured we needed to address then individually because lumping together isn't really identifying specific differences. And that my point. What specific differences between humans and animals and how would a self designed world choose only 1 species to Excell differently than all others? Side: its stupid
I figured we needed to address then individually because lumping together isn't really identifying specific differences. Pretending they are specific differences is an attempt to substantiate a claim without actual evidence. What specific differences between humans and animals and how would a self designed world choose only 1 species to Excell differently than all others? Every single species excels in a special way. Side: Its not
Reasoning led humans to invent the systems you described. Logic is not a trait of human beings, it is a system of reasoning invented by humans. Reasoning is the biological component that is responsible for the other man made concepts like reading, equations, etc. Technology comes from our ability to create tools. Agriculture is also the use of tools to make the Earth work better for us. It is all just tool use. You are conflating human inventions with biological traits. You are listing things that are invented by humans and giving credit to God for making it. A statement should also provide an explanation. You posted a list of words. Side: its stupid
How can humans invent and other animals can't Its a brain function , it should be present if it is randomly involved. Otherwise evolution is intelligent with some of it evolution intent purposeful. Please explain how? And why? And explain how evolution sorted this ? The ape being the closest should possess at least a portion of all we possess. What did they invent in their species? Side: Its not
How can humans invent and other animals can't Bigger brains. Its a brain function , it should be present if it is randomly involved. Brain function is much more pronounced in humans. Otherwise evolution is intelligent with some of it evolution intent purposeful. I can't argue with that, but every species is able to intelligently improve it's traits, so there is nothing special about human evolution. The ape being the closest should possess at least a portion of all we possess. Apes do you dumb twat. Side: its stupid
The average adult human brain weighs about 3 pounds (1,361 grams). The dolphin -- a very intelligent animal -- also has a brain that weighs about 3 pounds on average. But a sperm whale, not generally considered to be as intelligent as a dolphin, has a brain that weighs about 17 pounds (7,800 grams). On the small end of the scale, a beagle's brain is about 2.5 ounces (72 grams), and an orangutan's brain is about 13 ounces (370 grams). Both dogs and orangutans are pretty smart animals, but they have small brains. Side: Its not
The brain size to body size ratio is biggest in humans. I figured someone who is being as vague as a fucking child reading a spot the fucking difference book, and who complains about other fucking people attacking words instead of content wouldn't force me to spell things out for her, but I guess not. Side: its stupid
Hopefully you will take my questions and realize these are question we all should ask. Instead of buying what we are told. I don't buy it. Even without a dr degree in science or math, I can see the probability that evolution selected any species to Excell to the degree man has to all other animals, I'd not reasonable in any stretch of any study! If I am right, which I have no doubt I am, then why believe it? Convenience, stubborn , denial, we don't want to address the who behind evolutions Intelligent designer?? As for me you all will have to prove how evolution did this? Because literally the big bang is actually easy compared to this claim of random selection. In other words the big bang has a logic to follow, and actually God addresses it in His Word in Genesis and in other book through the Old and New Testament, but this logical progression of evolution is mathematically impossible and its foolish to accept it. Side: Its not
Hopefully you will take my questions and realize these are question we all should ask. Instead of buying what we are told. You have ignored all of my answers and you are only asking these questions in order to never have to let go of what you have been told about God. This statement is just hypocritical. If I am right, which I have no doubt I am, then why believe it? That's is an interesting question. That is the question you should be asking. The answer is: the people with degrees in science and math are telling you that your probability "calculations" are wrong. You have no degree and you are arguing against people with degrees using your stubborn feelings. As for me you all will have to prove how evolution did this? Because literally the big bang is actually easy compared to this claim of random selection. Doesn't it bother you that actual evolution believes in natural selection and you decide to call it random selection? Can't you see that you aren't asking questions, but that you are misrepresenting reality so you can continue to believe what you want to believe. In other words the big bang has a logic to follow, and actually God addresses it in His Word in Genesis and in other book through the Old and New Testament, but this logical progression of evolution is mathematically impossible and its foolish to accept it. This is awesome. There is far more evidence for evolution than there is for the Big Bang, and you have decided that you will believe the one with less evidence, and try to claim you are scientific. Pure gold. Side: its stupid
I haven't We discussed the whale who is like the dolphin We discussed all your ideas of special ways But even in "special ways" If they are random wouldn't they be comparable in progress or advancement. Animals are animals, humans are not. How would evolution make 1 species that is different from all other species? It's nonsense! Side: Its not
You aren't just asking questions, you are drawing conclusions that no one with a degree would agree with. You admitted to having no education on the subject and yet you are also claiming to be more knowledgeable than the experts. You must be claiming to be the smartest human on Earth. Side: its stupid
I haven't We discussed the whale who is like the dolphin We discussed all your ideas of special ways But even in "special ways" If they are random wouldn't they be comparable in progress or advancement. Animals are animals, humans are not. How would evolution make 1 species that is different from all other species? It's nonsense! Side: Its not
Seriously ? Humanity compared to a dolphin? It's not relative to intelligence or communicating or anything found in humanity. They are creatures we are human. Evolution didn't design humans differently than creatures. There was someone else that did. Its not reasonable to think evolution did. But if you want to believe in myths, your welcome to. I'd need proof that evolution was that directed without being managed. That's way harder than believing in a Creator. And I'm too logical for that. Side: Its not
You aren't logical at all. Your argument is that you have a gut feeling therefore you are definitely right. That's not logical at all. You believe that all animals were created through evolution, and humans were the only thing guided. That is way harder to believe. Side: its stupid
You aren't humanity. What have you personally done that is so great? If humans are as advanced as you are claiming, each individual should have many accomplishments. If evolution is responsible than we should see individuals not amounting to much, but have the group as a whole accomplish something. An individual ant doesn't do much, but all the ants together can build a network of tunnels. Side: its stupid
In a special way is not specific. And I'm not comparing special ways, I'm actually doing the opposite.
I'm doing how are they the same! If evolution is not a person distribute special ways to any species. That's adaptive. I am saying in the basic animal If the ability to have conscience judgement exists in 1 species, since evolution is not a person distributing these abilities then there MUST be other animals with conscience judgement! Unless evolution is intelligent and a person, how do all these qualities reside in ONLY ONE species? How does that make sense and if it does, then tell me how and why?? Side: its stupid
Your statement that humans have excelled differently than all other species doesn't make sense to me since sharks have excelled differently than all other species, and whales have excelled differently than all other species, and bears have excelled differently than all other species. If the ability to have conscience judgement exists in 1 species, since evolution is not a person distributing these abilities then there MUST be other animals with conscience judgement! That's not true at all. Evolution doesn't guarantee that every trait in a species will be found in another species. How does that make sense and if it does, then tell me how and why?? When humans split from the apes human brains developed much more. This trait has led to all the qualities that make us unique. In other species the best way to proliferate is to adapt to the environment. Humans are the species that changed the environment to adapt it to humans. There were other human species before and they were either killed by other humans or were able to breed together. Humans remaining one species is because humans were able to change the environment enough to continue interbreeding throughout human history. Humanity has prevented itself from splitting into a new species by being so good at adapting the environment. It isn't the universe creating humanity, it is humanity proliferating across the planet. Side: Its not
Why. Its basic. Is evolution a selective distributor? And where is the equal degree of difference between man and other animals. Or is evolution a person with a purposeful intelligent design with intended intelligence distribution in only 1 species? Isn't that a sensible question? Side: its stupid
And where is the equal degree of difference between man and other animals. Humans have bigger brains, and apes have bigger muscles. The degree of difference in what has physically changed is very similar. Something has to have the biggest brain. Nothing has been specially selected for humans, it just happens to be humans that ended up with the biggest brains. Side: Its not
Yeah we both know I'm not. You may think there's another explanation, but we both know evolution would have had to be less random. And more purposeful. If purposeful the it's intelligent. If evolution is intelligent, then it's not a random act of where ever the chips fall, meaning there was purpose and design. If there was purpose and design then there is a Creator. And you don't have to believe in 7 24 hr days to believe there is a Creator. But its not reasonable to think the chips just assembled themselves, espec8ally with 1 unique creation present among all the creatures! Side: its stupid
You may think there's another explanation, but we both know evolution would have had to be less random. And more purposeful. If purposeful the it's intelligent. If evolution is intelligent, then it's not a random act of where ever the chips fall, meaning there was purpose and design. Congratulations, you just described actual evolution instead of your version of evolution. All except design. There doesn't not have to be design in order to have purpose. The purpose of evolution is to survive the environment. You don't need a design to satisfy that purpose. If there was purpose and design then there is a Creator. No, only if there is design is there a Creator. Purpose does not prove design. But its not reasonable to think the chips just assembled themselves, Except it is since we see exactly that in practice. espec8ally with 1 unique creation present among all the creatures! We are all unique. Side: Its not
No I didn't, unless your suggesting there is a Creator behind evolution. And you know what I'm saying. Explain to me how it selected man above all creatures. In case you haven't noticed the world is our. The animals and everything in it are under us. To the point where we are gods. We are the gods, and we were supposed to rule the earth and care for everything. But Satan is the god of this world. And man is under him. Side: its stupid
I commend you though, at least there is effort instead of a broad answer. Debates should challenge us. Most of my learning comes from being challenged. Opinions and views have 0 value if you don't challenge them and if you don't let others challenge them. I respect someone who challenges themselves in their views. Even if they disagree. At least you made an effort. Honestly this is the biggest hole in evolution that is absent a Creator. The answer is evolution could not have randomly produced man, without other animals exhibiting similar abilities and thought and intelligence and qualities, especially conscience and justice without an Intelligent Designer or Creator. Its ridiculous to think otherwise because it's not biologically, scientifically, or mathematically possible! Unless you can show otherwise. The question isn't is there a Creator, the question is who is the Creator. Even if the Creator took the process through evolution in any degree, it's not possible for evolution to have produce this degree of an unequal result and outcome. Side: its stupid
The answer is evolution could not have randomly produced man, without other animals exhibiting similar abilities and thought and intelligence and qualities, especially conscience and justice without an Intelligent Designer or Creator. The intelligent designer you are talking about is human. Everything you think could only come from God is actually something invented by humans. There is no hole in evolution. Its ridiculous to think otherwise because it's not biologically, scientifically, or mathematically possible! It is biologically, scientifically, and mathematically impossible for all living things, but humans to be created through evolution, but humans created completely separately. Side: Its not
If it is invented by humans then we should see evidence of "other" animals also inventing it. Evolution did not put all its eggs in 1 basket. That's like hitting the lottery in every state tomorrow! Your actually saying we should believe evolution randomly put all the eggs in 1 basket. If this is true then the degree of difference would be relative to all the other animals, and it just simply is not! Side: its stupid
Bears are like other bears. But bears similar to lions live by the instincts they possess as the same as each other as animals. In 200 years what advancements have bears and lions contributed to their species? Or even to nature? Why is nature stagnant other than minor adaptations as time unfolded which were minor adaptations at slow progressive movement. Not any of them jumped into levels of progress but man. So tell me some animals that progressed as we did? Or is evolution a selective distributer? Side: its stupid
How would a self designed world choose only 1 species to Excell differently in every way above all others? In essence a self designed world selected 1 to name the animals, care for the world, and cultivate the ground. But not give any of this to any other species, How? Side: its stupid
It seems that some products of evolution have evolved to love and hate, share and be selfish, take turns, be truthfulness or lie, grieve and rejoice, have compassion, and be honorable, and just, or be ethical or unethical. What animals evolved to this? It's not likely that a self designed world evolved only 1 species toward conscience judgement.if so how and why Side: its stupid
Oh do apes also present this in at least a small degree? Is it reasonable to believe scientifically or mathematically, actually especially mathematically, that out of the gazillion building blocks all we possess landed all in one species and 0 in others. That would be like hitting the lottery every time you played it. Or everyday, every year, for years in a row. Please tell me how, so I can hit the lottery at least 1ce! Side: its stupid
Oh do apes also present this in at least a small degree? Apes do avoid things they don't like before knowing for sure they don't like it. Is it reasonable to believe scientifically or mathematically, actually especially mathematically, that out of the gazillion building blocks all we possess landed all in one species and 0 in others. You aren't describing building blocks. The actual building blocks of life are DNA and proteins, and the same exact building blocks are seen in all animals. That would be like hitting the lottery every time you played it. You have a list of like 10 things, not 1 gazillion. Side: Its not
Oh do apes also present this in at least a small degree? Is it reasonable to believe scientifically or mathematically, actually especially mathematically, that out of the gazillion building blocks all we possess landed all in one species and 0 in others. That would be like hitting the lottery every time you played it. Or everyday, every year, for years in a row. Please tell me how, so I can hit the lottery at least 1ce! Side: its stupid
Wrong. Hate, just like anger, can be an excellent motivator. It is only when one is consumed by either of those, and is also blinded by them that he becomes endangered. But like many things, moderation and discretion is the key. Hope this helps, new meat. Let me know if you have any questions on topics like Theology or Psychology or Science I can help you with. SS Side: its stupid
If evolution is not a person that distributes "special" abilities to specific species, then how did evolution distribute conscience judgement, inventive ability, and emotions, memories, imagination, and qualities related to ethics, and fairness, and sharing. Animal instincts are adaptive. I am saying in the basic animal aside from environmental adaptations. If we as humans wrote stories by pictures in caves, and then grew to modern man, then what advancements above basic adaptations are seen in animals. Evolution has had to have distributed some of these equal to some degree, with a variety of progress seen progressing in nature. So can any one tell me the degrees other animals followed in these qualities? If the ability to have conscience judgement exists in 1 species, and since evolution is not a person distributing these abilities, then there MUST be other animals with conscience judgement! It can't be exclusive unless evolution had purposeful distribution. Unless evolution is intelligent and a person, how them do all these qualities reside in ONLY ONE species? How does that make sense and if it does, then tell me how and why?? Side: its stupid
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Multiple species have emotions, memory, "inventive ability" (aka tool usage), imagination (think subconscious, in the form of dreaming), qualities related to ethics (and fairness/sharing, it's a pretty basic aspect of social groups for mammals), etc. The only difference is the degrees to which these are present, not the uniqueness of them. And many traits only exist in singular species. The argument that evolution would have to disseminate them amongst multiple isn't based on any sort of scientific justification. Side: Its not
I see it as pretty foolish to think there is man compared to every animal and say that it developed that way at random to the degree of difference. And I did clarify although there are limited personality and emotional traits in animals, and they can even acclimate to families, man is so unique, that it's not a logically possible that that degree of "uniqueness exists without the Hand from The Creator! I think it's actually one of the dumbest lies I ever heard. Side: its stupid
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I see it as pretty foolish to think there is man compared to every animal and say that it developed that way at random to the degree of difference. Nobody is saying that. And I did clarify although there are limited personality and emotional traits in animals, and they can even acclimate to families, What are you talking about? Emotional familial bonds occur in a number of mammalian species. man is so unique, that it's not a logically possible that that degree of "uniqueness exists without the Hand from The Creator! That simply isn't true. You ignore the ways we aren't unique, then declare without basis that the only way we could be unique is if god created us. There's no rational or logical basis for it, it's just a matter of confirmation bias. To go on to say those who don't agree with you are dumb and liars is pretty pathetic as well. Side: Its not
When it comes to Creation verses Evolution, the focus of it is a blindness and a distraction anyway.
The point is not whether God chose to do it in 24 hours, or millions of years, and even if there were Nithilum existing in civilizations of prehistoric men, God made man in "His image" when He made Adam ...! And that included a moral conscience, a depth in emotion, and memories, and advanced brain functions that are high above all in creation. That's a specific design not a random outcome of evolution. Regardless of your thought on how long it took for the world to develope, Bible says 6 days God rested on day 7, it also says He didn't make time to govern our world till day 4. And since God is Light, a day in light can be millions of years. So when the Bible was penned, it was penned to explain things that matter most to God and to Eternity, since this world will actually pass away. There is actually a plan with detailed directions from God on how to follow through this world in a personal level and also throughout times and ages, with appointed times recorded so we who become children of God can move in the direction of the end of completion without getting lost or sacked in by everything around us. Even in the first chapters of Genesis God began spelling out His instructions and giving understanding. And He also hid understanding, to be revealed at "the appointed time" The Bible is a story of God's creation specific to His children ... while setting in motion every detail written that we ever needed to know, to be redeemed, and then result in a final change into a nature of glorified bodies that CAN live in the His holiness and His light, so that we CAN live with Him forever. As we are we wouldn't be able to physically dwell in the "speed" of Eternal Light. And no darkness can be in us to dwell in His Pure Light. While the rest of the world and its inhabitants from the beginning of time who missed out, are woken also to join in for this world's final destruction. ie.. Sheep / goats etc... to never exist again. God's children will be transformed into physical bodies that can and will live in the place where time stands still .... the "Light" of Eternal Life. Side: its stupid
Hahahahaahahha............thanks!!! I hope this helps. Check out the 100 reasons evolution is stupid video. See if you have the backbone to watch the whole things, I know it can be sickening when the beliefs of evolutionists are challenged by simple common sense and hard scientific evidence. Side: its stupid
100 reasons why it's stupid to believe in evolution Side: its stupid
Everyday of creation is a 1000 years of time till He establishes His Kingdom and ushers in His 7th day "rest" as His 1000 year reign, while He establishes New Jerusalem. And from what I see it was NOT on the 2000 year anniversary of His birth, which was year 2000, (actually year 1996, because historians realized AD and BC are actually off by 4 years - imagine that, God may have purposely allowed this to provide a "delay" - as is mentioned many times throughout parables - "while the master delayed" or "Bridegroom delayed" "No man knows hour or day" as Jesus said! - But He pain stakingly did say when we see times and seasons we will KNOW! In other words in Matt 24 He literally giving instructions! Detailing things, where to look, and telling us as time gets near there are appointed times and signs and seasons to understand in the Bible that correlate to what we see in history and current events. Because the times are literally in there. And as time gets closer ... He is revealing .... and even says "revealing" things would be done at appointed time! 6000 years from Jesus' Death and Resurrection, is the TIME! Not on the day or hour, but in that time period. We are in the end of day 6! Every 1000 years is a day! It's a scripture starement in Peter and also in Psalms! And if your read Ecclesiastical A time foe everything chapter, it shows appointed times, along with its object lesson. Each 1000 years is a time keeper of events ... from putting Cain and Abel in, to replacing Abel with Seth to the births of Isaac and Ishmael into the world and into the timeline, to prophesying every single thing! So one thing I see is, the 2000 year anniversary of the 1st Resurrection which is 2029 to 2033 is the approximate date (its a marker, could be before or after, but its around this marker in the prophesy timeline) declaring the final acts of this world, and the fulfilling of the prophesies of the "2nd Resurection" (So it makes sense that if the last act is like the 1st act which is related in every way, to be a like time of final fulfillment on the Millenials (each 1000 years!) Side: its stupid
That is not Biblical. Exodus 20:1, 11 .....God Himself in His own words by His own mouth said He made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in SIX DAYS. If He meant six thousand years, He would have said six thousand years. You are making this stuff up for your own feelings afraid to stand on the word of God, changing the Word of God to make it easier for you to get along with ungodly scientists who do not practice true science when they say the world is billions of years old or big bang theory or any evolutionary garbage. All that stuff you are talking about you are taking it out of context trying to apply it to Genesis. That is wrong, it's not Biblical, it's a hobby horse some Christians ride trying to compromise with ungodly pseudo-science. There is no Biblical reason to imply the days of Creation were anything other than exactly what God said, exactly how God said He did it, and exactly how He Himself clearly stated it was SIX DAYS. EXODUS 20:1-11 Side: Its not
God can't give you any light, cause you are too full! You need to realize, God is doing a very big end time work. And He is revealing things we haven't seen before. And He is coming back for a Bride that isn't divided by their pride and doctrines! Read Gen 1 to 5, meditate on it and journal each verse. I think you did be surprised at what things you will see you hadn't before. If we come with tunnel vision, we miss things God wants to show us. What matters most in Genesis right now is times and seasons and other details related to end times and getting ready for that. Go to this verse - here it is in KJV ! 1 - It says "these are the generations of the heavens and of the earth" "in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens" Well if you are correct than the Bible contradicts itself. Since Earth was "one day" and the heavens was a "second day" If you go to Gen 2 - 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, You and I both know He doesn't contradict Himself. God is methodical about His Word. Everything in it has a purpose. He literally set time into it! To be revealed "at the appointed times" Look at Genesis 1 - a forth day - Its more than a story about how He hung pretty stars! Take that day apart, and journal it. I got 7 7 7just those few verses in chapter 1. And we literally can see God setting signs, seasons, days, years, in a process of detailing dates and times to know where we are in time to His coming. No one " knows day or hour" But He did say there are many things to look at so you know when it's near. Read the story of Cain an Abel again. Compare geneologies - Marked Cain has the 6th generation from he'll # 6th generation! Compare the geneologies. There is so much more to understand. And your focused on something that doesn't make any Eternal difference Side: its stupid
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The 24 hour days are so small in this, I am mind blown at what's in it this simple account of Creation! I felt led to journal, and take apart a few verses, here is just 1 section in Genesis 1. And here is outcome so far just focused just for day 3. Day 3 / has - 3 sections / 6 - points are in each section, except there are 7 points in the 3rd section. 6 points / 6 points/then last section has 7 points Then God uses words like "and it was so" "He named it" and "God saw it was good" a day, a second day, a third day .... etc. These are all defining of things like specific people, groups of people, times, events, prophesies. They are not only directing us to be people in His Image, but are directing us trough 6000 years of time! Day 3, journal by each section, this one day has 3 specific sections.
* Then take Matt 13 and do the same. - It looks like Jesus is explaining somethings in multiple ways in just 1 parable. Seed - fruit - are characteristics - like good fruit - love joy peace patience .... and bad fruit envy, hate, bitterness, lust .... BUT also Seed against Seed as told in The fall in the garden, enmity between Serpent and the woman, and between serpents seed and the woman's seed, then right away Cain Kills Abel, and we see baby boys killed in Egypt as Moses escapes in a basket, we see Herod kill boys in Bethlehem, while God sends Jesus to hide for a few years in Egypt. Image of God vs image of Satan . Cain through to Lamech 6 ( generations) # oder "a man" followed through then Ishmael! Adam through to Noah. (10 generations) completion Then 3rd day - Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day ... well we are talking about "A Third Day" So This all the way back to Genesis 1 is telling of Jesus Death and Resurrection! In John 12 Jesus is preparing for the cross. And AGAIN giving instructions ... This is how we follow Him into Eternal Life, we go to Salvation through His death on the cross, and His Resurection, ( its the "eye of the needle" It's how we become Born Again.
He says in John 12: 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, (AG)unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. And also Harvest of souls, dividing real teachers from false teachers, and then producing real fruit that is good and ripe for His return - the "Christians" who remain, and unripe bad fruit produced by false teachers who are stumbling blocks. See Revelations Babylon and the sea ... see in Revelations unripe fruit and winds. Gen 1 with 6 points in each 3 sections - with last section a 7th point with evening and morning are third day even that is ... a grain of wheat falls to the earth and dies, out of it is a great tree (as 7th point in the last 1/3) - and then He has another parable about the wheat and the tares! And if you look at the parable of the sower ... Jesus says, the harvest , "some 30 - some 60 and some 100 fold!" Or you can read it as 1st section evening 2nd section morning third section "a third day" I think both ways are 2 messages just in sectioning each section out with evening and morning and one a 3rd day. actually probably 10, 20, or 30. Now as crazy as this is, I have about 30 scriptures coming to my mind that are connected, just to these few verses describing "1 Day" out of 7 in only 1 chapter of Genesis. These prophets were fed word for word, everything they wrote, and the message in the garden with Adam and Eve, God gave commant to Adam, and He didnt teach Eve correctly because, she added words, to "exactly what God said". So God says do not add or take away! Read it exactly as it is, and you may find our little doctrines hide what God wants to show us. Just changing "a second day" to "Day 2" changes it!! So the big rule!! Was they had to memorize every dot and cross of the T. In every generation, so the message came through EXACTLY as He gave it. Because every thing is so precise, its unbelievable! Even when I was Journaling, I'm a big short cutter, when hammering out notes. I literally had to write it and number it line upon line, and when I didn't I was brought back to it to rewrite it, then saw the pattern I was meant to see. So you may think it's nuts, but I know it's not! Maybe this is for you, or maybe for someone else. Side: its stupid
it was not "a" second day, or "a" third day. There can only be one second day, it's "THE" second day, and "THE" third day. Whatever fake Bible you are using was edited by people who believe in evolution and probably were not even Christians. Phony Bibles are always twisting little words here and there (and deleting many words and passages) to suit the twisted beliefs of their editors. That's how Satan works, keeping people confused about God's word so they end up rejecting His word...and you are helping the devil in that. The third day was THE third day after Jesus was crucified. The third day in Genesis was THE third day of Creation. There were not many third days counted for the resurrection of Jesus and only one of those many mentioned. There were not many third days in THE third day in Genesis. You're twisting scripture in a devilish way. Side: Its not
It's a shame your a wacko! Go to you kjv and read it! Here is Genesis 1 KJV! 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. HERE IN GENESIS 2! 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens Maybe you can't read old English, maybe you should us NIV or NASV Side: its stupid
Your doctrines get in the way of your relationship with God, and with His people. Why would God show you anything if you already KNOW it all. I'm not sure how little your God is, that He can fit so neatly into your doctrines. But the God I know, I hear His voice, and He shows me things that can't fit inside my head, let alone my doctrines! Side: its stupid
It's you who is pushing division, it's your crowd who thinks they can make up God's word to suit their own feelings. You have fallen for something that makes you think you are intellectually superior, and in your arrogance you promote yourself over the word of God, all of your wonderful insights you think you have by taking things out of context and twisting and changing God's word. Side: Its not
7 Days as 24 hours is a foolish argument. God is the Creator not Evoution! How did He make Heaven and Earth on 1 day, if they were day 1 and day 2 in KJV And what does it mean in Gen 2 When He says this is the account of "generations of days" Or do you just carry your KJV around, without opening it? Side: its stupid
FYI - OH YE OF LITTLE FAITH, DON'T YOU KNOW, IT WAS GOD THAT STRUCK THE LANGUAGES OF MEN, AND THEY ACTUALLY CAN'T SCRAMBLE HIS WORD THAT IS PURPOSELY WATCHED OVER, WITH INTENDED PURPOSE AND MEANT FOR HIS PEOPLE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND, FOR THE PERFECT WAY HE MADE FOR US TO HIM! HE KNOWS EVERY LANGUAGE! HE GAVE IT TO THE CHINESE 1 Tiāndì wànwù dōu zào qí le . 2 Dào dì qī rì , shén zàowù de gōng yǐjing wánbì , jiù zaì dì qī rì xiē le tā yīqiè de gōng , ānxī le . 3 Shén cì fú gĕi dì qī rì , déng wéi shèng rì , yīnwei zaì zhè rì shén xiē le tā yīqiè chuàngzào de gōng , jiù ānxī le . 4 Chuàngzào tiāndì de lái lì , zaì Yēhéhuá shén zào tiāndì de rìzi , nǎi shì zhèyàng . HE GAVE IT TO THE PORTUGUESE 1 Assim foram acabados os céus e a terra, com todo o seu exército. 2 Ora, havendo Deus completado no dia sétimo a obra que tinha feito, descansou nesse dia de toda a obra que fizera. 3 Abençoou Deus o sétimo dia, e o santificou; porque nele descansou de toda a sua obra que criara e fizera. 4 Eis as origens dos céus e da terra, quando foram criados. No dia em que o Senhor Deus fez a terra e os céus HE GAVE IT TO THE ITALIANS 1 Così furono compiuti i cieli e la terra, e tutto l’esercito di quelli. 2 Ora, avendo Iddio compiuta nel settimo giorno l’opera sua, la quale egli avea fatta, si riposò nel settimo giorno da ogni sua opera, che egli avea fatta. 3 E Iddio benedisse il settimo giorno, e lo santificò; perciocchè in esso egli s’era riposato da ogni sua opera ch’egli avea creata, per farla. 4 TALI furono le origini del cielo e della terra, quando quelle cose furono create, nel giorno che il Signore Iddio fece la terra e il cielo; Side: its stupid
I am far from intellectual! Don't you know the wisdom of God He impart to confound the wise and intelligent. I'm 50 and been a Christian for 30 years, I've been down enough to know how small I am. I haven't been spiritually "puffed" up Idk, for like about 30 years! But I remember those days, when we raced to find the verse, or glowed with every little thing God showed us. But then you grow up, and you understand, when you begin to understand the depth of what you don't know is an Ocean and what you do know is a kiddie pool, maybe even a shallow bucket! Its freeing when you realize that, because than God can be God and you can just follow. It's kind of like "rest" Side: its stupid
Are you serious? I use NASV and its a credible Bible, and more accurate that Old English King James! And it doesn't matter, there is no twisting! Twisting is changing meaning, and you are a ding dong! Do you even know God?? If you think He watched over His Word meticulously for 6000 years, ONLY TO LET HIS CHILDREN BE DECIEVED by the Bible in their hands you don't know Him at all! Side: its stupid
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/ NASB (or NASV) is a fake Bible made by ungodly people. It is not credible, it's fraudulent, it changes THE second day in Genesis to "a" second day, and that is a huge change and only the tip of the iceberg of changes made in God's word so it cannot be God's word. If you think changing "THE" to "a" is not a change in meaning, you are dumb enough to believe the NASB is credible. Side: its stupid
http://www.preservedword.com/content/ All modern versions, NIV, NASB, RSV, whatever...all of them follow corrupt manuscripts which are promoted and upheld by the Catholic Church. They all make huge changes in God's word. If you have the NASB in your hands, you have a book which implies Jesus Christ is a liar, you do not have God's word. Side: Its not
Well I guess you and KJV are saved .and the rest of us aren't Old English is difficult for most people to to understand. And you may be misled from you views on it. God is powerful enough to Give us His Word, and watch over it. The Catholic Bible has extra books rgat we don't recognise as Divinely Inspired. The Jehovah Witnesses Bible is altered on purpose. I do not know if there are others. But I got saved with NASV And God was there when I bought it. And if you judge me, you have to figure that out with Jesus. Because you are not judging as one in a position of the Holy Spirit and the fruit that comes from The Spirit! You are steeped in the flesh, and your mind is becoming judgemental, proud, and dark And that's not the direction you want to continue in. Part of the final judgement is being given over to self worship, bitterness, and pride to have the mind of the beast not the mind of Christ. So stop and repent! Side: its stupid
I don't know if you are saved or not. Sometimes it's really hard to tell. Your conversion experience is about how you began to hear Jesus's voice, but you seem to think His voice is not constrained by His Word, and you can make His word say whatever you want so it's your own voice you are hearing, changing God's word to make it fit your words. I really don't know if you are saved or not. You never clearly state how a person can be saved. Side: Its not
Jesus said "You will know them by their fruit" We are not known by our pet doctrines people focus on, and divide over, and we then build a shrine to. Their idols There are doctrines to die for, but we actually dont have doctrines to kill over! Let me put this in prespective, there are brothers and sisters in Jesus who believe things you don't. And it has nothing to do with changing or no changing Gospel word. And don't they have Bibles that are not kjv. God is the Creator and there are plenty of scriptures There are some doctrines that are foundational, with our whole Salvation resting on those facts, and there are also certain principles of our faith, and there are definates in morality and character. But some doctrines are of man, and some are doctrines that limit God by man's doctrines. People have a little understanding and they make a box and put God in it. But there is much more God wants to and needs to reveal in these times. We are NOT going to be able to stand before Him divided over things like 24 hour days and women wearing pants! God is grieved over the condition of His people. Me included. But at least I dont put Him in a box. This is a time when Love is mandatory. He is going to purge us and if we are holding on to anything including doctrines. Judgement is supposed to happen in the church, but for immorality, and for strifes and division. So we are supposed to be walking in love and forgiveness period. The churches that are compromising and worldly are going to be in huge trouble! When He says if your on the roof don't go back in to get your things. That's the attachment we want to be free of when He comes. Dont add to His Word by requiring everyone to use kjv is division! That sows strife, not communion! No idols, we better be ready to let go of everything and anything! He is coming back for a people filled wirh light and love, pepple whp are joyfully working together and showing His light and love to the world. Yes we are supposed to stand firm against false teachers, false teachers deny the Cross and Resurection and the power that is in our lives in regeneration, being filled with the Spirit and encouraging one another to Godliness! Or He is coming back pistol! He gives us 2 laws, and look how far off the mark His people are. Look if you died with Him it is He in you that lives. And God will reach people who think evolution occurred. I honestly don't care if He had a million years in a day or 24 hours. But maybe after 6000 years science actually caught up to what God's Word has said all along and we just didn't know. He does say in Gen 4 - generations of days. And going back to the third day, God is into growth. And He was prophesying The Sse sind Day 3 of Creation. Unless a grain of wheat fall to yhe ground and dies it remains alone, Nut if it does it bears fruir thirty, sixty, and hundredfold The whole day 3 is related to several of the Parables. It's like He is sitting down with us and showing greater details. Notice the 3rd day broken down to it was so , and God saw it was good. 3 points 3 points 6 points Then the last section at 7 points. 30 60 and 100fold. Notice the 1 part gathering the waters under heaven in on place, call it Seas - gatherings is the church the waters are teachings, notice the dry land, if you go to Genesis 2 He talks about nothing grew because a mist rose but God didn't send rain, yet He causes the growth in day 3. And we know it didn't rain till after the flood. Everything I've said, I didn't get it from altering or adding or subtracting I got it from listening. And studying. As I'm Journaling I feel God say go back I missed something because I added or subtracted. Like you do in note taking, but He doesn't let us do that when looking at His Word. We can paraphrase the thought of a scripture. But when He is showing you stuff, details matter. But if we say abide in His Love in a normal conversation it's the Spirit of the Word. I it's not changing it because I didn't quote word for word. But when your studying it's important because the details may lead you to see connections you could miss through familiarity. Familiarity kills knowledge and understanding Just this simple verse, Mark 4 kjv
4 And he began again to teach by the sea side: and there was gathered unto him a great multitude, so that he entered into a ship, and sat in the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land ( He began to teach by the sea side, "sands of the sea" = nations of a people through Abraham's Seed, sitting by the sea teachings and doctrines and a multitude gatherings, He entered the ship, He is the is the Arc, "and sat down, He "sat fown' at the right hand of God, The whole multitude 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Side: its stupid
Jesus said "You will know them by their fruit" We are not known by our pet doctrines people focus on, and divide over, and we then build a shrine to. Their idols There are doctrines to die for, but we actually dont have doctrines to kill over! Let me put this in prespective, there are brothers and sisters in Jesus who believe things you don't. And it has nothing to do with changing or no changing Gospel word. And don't they have Bibles that are not kjv. God is the Creator and there are plenty of scriptures There are some doctrines that are foundational, with our whole Salvation resting on those facts, and there are also certain principles of our faith, and there are definates in morality and character. But some doctrines are of man, and some are doctrines that limit God by man's doctrines. People have a little understanding and they make a box and put God in it. But there is much more God wants to and needs to reveal in these times. We are NOT going to be able to stand before Him divided over things like 24 hour days and women wearing pants! God is grieved over the condition of His people. Me included. But at least I dont put Him in a box. This is a time when Love is mandatory. He is going to purge us and if we are holding on to anything including doctrines. Judgement is supposed to happen in the church, but for immorality, and for strifes and division. So we are supposed to be walking in love and forgiveness period. The churches that are compromising and worldly are going to be in huge trouble! When He says if your on the roof don't go back in to get your things. That's the attachment we want to be free of when He comes. Dont add to His Word by requiring everyone to use kjv is division! That sows strife, not communion! No idols, we better be ready to let go of everything and anything! He is coming back for a people filled wirh light and love, pepple whp are joyfully working together and showing His light and love to the world. Yes we are supposed to stand firm against false teachers, false teachers deny the Cross and Resurection and the power that is in our lives in regeneration, being filled with the Spirit and encouraging one another to Godliness! Or He is coming back pistol! He gives us 2 laws, and look how far off the mark His people are. Look if you died with Him it is He in you that lives. And God will reach people who think evolution occurred. I honestly don't care if He had a million years in a day or 24 hours. But maybe after 6000 years science actually caught up to what God's Word has said all along and we just didn't know. He does say in Gen 4 - generations of days. And going back to the third day, God is into growth. And He was prophesying The Sse sind Day 3 of Creation. Unless a grain of wheat fall to yhe ground and dies it remains alone, Nut if it does it bears fruir thirty, sixty, and hundredfold The whole day 3 is related to several of the Parables. It's like He is sitting down with us and showing greater details. Notice the 3rd day broken down to it was so , and God saw it was good. 3 points 3 points 6 points Then the last section at 7 points. 30 60 and 100fold. Notice the 1 part gathering the waters under heaven in on place, call it Seas - gatherings is the church the waters are teachings, notice the dry land, if you go to Genesis 2 He talks about nothing grew because a mist rose but God didn't send rain, yet He causes the growth in day 3. And we know it didn't rain till after the flood. Everything I've said, I didn't get it from altering or adding or subtracting I got it from listening. And studying. As I'm Journaling I feel God say go back I missed something because I added or subtracted. Like you do in note taking, but He doesn't let us do that when looking at His Word. We can paraphrase the thought of a scripture. But when He is showing you stuff, details matter. But if we say abide in His Love in a normal conversation it's the Spirit of the Word. I it's not changing it because I didn't quote word for word. But when your studying it's important because the details may lead you to see connections you could miss through familiarity. Familiarity kills knowledge and understanding Just this simple verse, Mark 4 kjv
4 And he began again to teach by the sea side: and there was gathered unto him a great multitude, so that he entered into a ship, and sat in the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land ( He began to teach by the sea side, "sands of the sea" = nations of a people through Abraham's Seed, sitting by the sea teachings and doctrines and a multitude gatherings, He entered the ship, He is the is the Arc, "and sat down, He "sat fown' at the right hand of God, The whole multitude 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Side: its stupid
Speaking of adding to the Word, I don't think kjv is really working out for you. In all our discussions, you have used mostly all your own words and very few scriptures. I used several scriptures in every sentence and paragraph. And the scriptures you do use are selectively used in a spirit of divisions, judgement, condemnation, and are missing The fruits of the Spirit. And I showed you a comparison before, where I used like 30 scriptures in context and we'll placed to your 1 scripture. Yet you say I add to the Word, when you hardly ever use anything but your own words! That's crazy! I have used God's Word, many scriptures, rivers of His Word, and you have used a stagnant puddle! in most every discussion we have had, I used many scriptures in most every sentence and paragraph! (I guess you will say Devil uses scripture to, yes but not rivers, he uses muddy puddles of water. And your puddles are getting muddy! God planted a garden ... and caused fruit trees to grow ... with seed in them ... bearing fruit after his own kind. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown in the fire. I don't see the Fruits of the Spirit like Love Joy Peace Patience Kindness Meekness Self Control in many of your conversations. I should see fruit but don't! The land owner planted a Vineyard, then rented it out, and then He went on a long journey. He sent slaves to give Him some of the produce, He sent 1 then 2 then 3 slaves, each time the slave was treated worse, and each time the slaves left empty handed! Then finally His son and they killed Him. God ... planted a garden, He caused fruit to grow, and he also let fruit grow, .... but there was no man to cultivate it ... so He made man and "placed him in the garden to "cultivate it!" Your fruit is unripe! revelations says don't harm the unripe fruit and winds are being held back to allow fruit to finish ripening. Let God grow His fruit! Or your tree will get cut down and thrown in the fire. Like all the other foul and barren trees! His judgement will start and has started in His house, we will be filled with Life giving Manna, or we will have quail coming out of our nostrils! He is pouring out judgement and we will have our fill of whatever we choose to be filled with! Side: its stupid
Let's do something, His Word is sweet in our mouths, and gives life to us and others. Speak to me using only His Words, and not your own. And at the end of each statement, test your fruit, test my fruit. And if you have to look up my scriptures, to see if they are spiritually in line do that and answer me with "just scripture" Not adding York own thoughts or doctrines. JUST HIS WORD! So if I say Fruit of the Spirit, and you are discussing corrections of each other, just give me His Word, and His Words. Sound fun? Side: its stupid
Well I guess we can't build the Body of Christ then, Because the enemy sowed such a great division, we are all then doomed. No Bride for the Bridegroom, oh well ...😭 😢 😓 Sad He started out as God .... and now man has made Him lower than a computer made of nuts and bolts. Side: its stupid
In Genesis 1 when discussing bearing fruit after "his " own kind ... why did kjv use "his?" "Your kjv" uses "his!" Aren't they plants and trees? "Their" or "its" but kjv uses "his" and its unusual and odd, and the Era wouldn't have called a tree or a plant "his" So what is going on here? Hmmmmmmm "that one —used as subject or direct object or indirect object of a verb or object of a preposition usually in reference to a lifeless thing (took a quick look at the house and noticed it was very old), a plant (there is a rosebush near the fence and it is now blooming), a person or animal whose sex is unknown or disregarded (don't know who it is), a group of individuals or things, or an abstract entity (beauty is everywhere and it is a source of joy) "When we speak about animals or plants in the plural, we say they,them,their. We usually say it,its in the singular. Your pet is often regarded as he or she. When you read fairy-tales, you can also see he or she used to call animals. Side: its stupid
Proverbs 15:18 KJV 18 A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife. Proverbs 16:28 KJV 28 A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends. Proverbs 17:14 KJV 14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with. Proverbs 17:19 KJV 19 He loveth transgression that loveth strife: and he that exalteth his gate seeketh destruction Proverbs 20:3 KJV 3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling Proverbs 22:10 KJV 10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease Proverbs 28:25 KJV 25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat Proverbs 26:21 KJV 21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife. Proverbs 29:22 KJV 22 An angry man stirreth up strife, and a furious man aboundeth in transgression Side: its stupid
Proverbs 8:13 KJV 13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. In Context Compare Interlinear Proverbs 11:2 KJV 2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom. In Context Compare Interlinear Proverbs 13:10 KJV 10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom. In Context Compare Interlinear Proverbs 14:3 KJV 3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them. In Context Compare Interlinear Proverbs 16:18 KJV 18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. In Context Compare Interlinear Proverbs 29:23 KJV 23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit. In Context Compare Interlinear Side: its stupid
Study thyself approved, your days in Bible school haven't produce much ability, I can only assume it's King James Old English is set up in you as an idol, instead of Loving the Lord of the Word! Seriously your bitter doctrines and you kjv are stumbling blocks for you. Follow the Lord of the Bible! And He writes it on your heart It becomes a sweetness in your mouth, and gives life from your lips. Jesus says The Spirit will tell you what to speak, and Jesus said He will give you utterance and bring all things to your memory. Without the Spirit every version is dead! It's the Living Word, Living Waters, so if He is alive and Living in His Word, you don't think He watched over it. So as the billions of people who do not use King James are decieved. Oh ye of little faith, how small is your God? Side: its stupid
I gave you scriptures it may be the only Bible reading you do. It's obvious you don't know it very well or know how to use it to very well. I think kjv is too hard for you, you should find a version you can understand, and is easier to memorize. Study thyself approved, your days in Bible school haven't produce much ability, I can only assume it's King James Old English is set up in you as an idol, instead of Loving the Lord of the Word! Seriously your bitter doctrines and you kjv are stumbling blocks for you. Follow the Lord of the Bible! And He writes it on your heart, It becomes a sweetness in your mouth, and gives life from your lips. Jesus says The Spirit will tell you what to speak, and Jesus said He will give you utterance and bring all things to your memory. Without the Spirit every version is dead! It's the Living Word, Living Waters, so if He is alive and Living in His Word , you don't think He watched over it. So as the billions of people who do not use King James are decieved. Oh ye of little faith, how small is your God? Side: its stupid
He Created it, we never disputed that. So now it's all figurative, God's plant ? Jesus said I do what I see and hear from My Father He is Seed, So "his" is a model of fruit. You will bear fruit after His kind, then you will continue to bear fruit of the same kind. An Apple isn't picked from an Orange Tree! Matt 7 kjv 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Side: its stupid
Why are you an accuser? Who's fruit is that? You are a miserable Christian. If I were lost I wouldn't follow you. Not like this. You make Christianity look like it sucks, and the only reason to be a Christian is to escape Hell. Where is the HOPE that is in you, where is the Joy of the Lord, where is Unity of the Saints, where is the Body of Christ, the Fruits of the Spirit, the answer in every Season, Where is the Wisdom of God, and the Utterance of His given answer in you. Where is Jesus in you? So far you have accused me, judged me, declared my Salvation null and Void, Accused me of Herrera, Deceptions and told me as a woman you are automatically right in everything you say. You have accused me of being a false teachers, an instrument of Satan, And that I'm groping in the dark in a curruption faith with a currupt Bible a currupt heart. And Im a stumbling block which we both kniw it would be better for a miilstone around my neck and thrown into the sea! And you have used basic lyrics 5 scriptures at most over many conversations to tell me all that! If we were in Salem you would burn me as a witch and I'm a Christian! Is there anything I missed? Repent! That is evidence you are glaringly living a bitter life of flesh. Side: its stupid
Why are you an accuser? Who's fruit is that? You are a miserable Christian. If I were lost I wouldn't follow you. Not like this. You make Christianity look like it sucks, and the only reason to be a Christian is to escape Hell. Where is the HOPE that is in you, where is the Joy of the Lord, where is Unity of the Saints, where is the Body of Christ, the Fruits of the Spirit, the answer in every Season, Where is the Wisdom of God, and the Utterance of His given answer in you. Where is Jesus in you? So far you have accused me, judged me, declared my Salvation null and Void, Accused me of heresy, and of Deceptions, and told me as a woman you are automatically right in everything you say. You have accused me of being a false teachers, an instrument of Satan, And that I'm groping blindly in the dark in a currupted faith with a currupted Bible, and have a currupted heart. And Im a stumbling block which we both know, it would be better for a miilstone around my neck and thrown into the sea! And you have used basic lyrics 5 scriptures at most over many conversations to tell me all that! If we were in Salem you would burn me as a witch and I'm a Christian! Is there anything I missed? Repent! That is evidence you are glaringly living a bitter life of flesh. Side: its stupid
Proverbs 24:7 KJV 7 Wisdom is too high for a fool: he openeth not his mouth in the gate In Context Compare Interlinear Proverbs 10:21 KJV 21 The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom. Proverbs 10:13 KJV 13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding Proverbs 10:31 KJV 31 The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom: but the froward tongue shall be cut out. Proverbs 11:12 KJV 12 He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace Proverbs 11:2 KJV 2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom. Proverbs 12:8 KJV 8 A man shall be commended according to his wisdom: but he that is of a perverse heart shall be despised Proverbs 14:33 KJV 33 Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known Proverbs 13:10 KJV 10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom. Proverbs 14:6 KJV 6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth Proverbs 14:8 KJV 8 The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit Proverbs 15:21 KJV 21 Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly Proverbs 16:16 KJV 16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver! Proverbs 15:33 KJV 33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility Side: its stupid
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Some types of plants do have gender, while most are hermaphroditic. Of those who do have gender, male plants are generally the ones with seeds. Considering primitive knowledge of sexual reproduction, it would make sense to consider anything with "seed" to be male. It makes perfect sense. Side: its stupid
Thanks, it's only slightly relevant to the point. King James transcribed plants and trees as masculine from Ancient Hebrew texts, and I know it was purposeful by The Spirit of God, s8nce all through the Bible especially in the Gospels, Jesus teaches us, saying we are fruit trees. So his instead if it, in Genesis is not just a basic account of Creation, each day 24 hours or each day longer. He Created, and He called it a day. And Saintnow insists that any other message there somehow doesn't exist. What do you think, would they have used "its" or "his" if it were merely about plants and fruit trees? Side: its stupid
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How very enlightening .... I had no idea those who remain and win the Crown of Life are only those wise enough to use the kjv Bible .... and of course only a portion of those will be wise Virgins with enough Oil when the Brideg4oom comes. Thanks for letting me know .. All this time I had the wrong message, I was supposed to build a foundation of what version Bible, no the the foundation of Salvation. Duh, how dumb. Well so glad you woke me up to these rich deep truth of God's kjv. Thank you, God thanks you! Side: its stupid
Well since He says do this and I will give you the crown And be careful No one takes your crown You don't actually earn it, and you don't actually win it. Here you go in God's only language kjv- James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Side: its stupid
Genesis 2:4 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven Genesis 2: 4 King James Version (KJV) 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens Genesis 2:4New International Version (NIV) Adam and Eve 4 This is the account(A) of the heavens and the earth when they were created,(B) when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. FYI I also go to Hebrew to see what and how words are used Because I know line upon line it's importance! When I vere off into short hand while journaling, God brings me back to fix it. If I was in a "curruption version" it wouldn't really matter But since God is the keeper of His Word for 6000 Years I CAN TRUST HIM! Side: its stupid
Do you have any idea HOW RIDICULOUS YOUR little position is regarding "kjv"? Like I said IT was God who struck men and confused their language, men are grasshoppers! How ridiculous to think the Creator of Earth Heaven and the Whole Universe, can't even make sure we have A Bible, we could even stumble on in an attic, or a Thrift shop or ANY where God feels like calling us, yet millions of people who seek Him and study His Word and Have pure hearts, lifting Holy hands could possibly be led astray by an All Powerful Omnipotent God's book because "a man" touched it. There is no scripture saying Buy KJV And God didn't thunder in my ears when I bought my NASV from the Christian book store, and I'm pretty sure God isn't going to strangle the Christian Bookstore owners for being stumbling blocks and leading God's people astray because there are more versions than kjv on their shelves. I'm shocked you don't look in the mirror and humbly say to God " Here I am Father, my name now is ridiculous, I can't wait till you give me my new name!" Side: its stupid
Do you have any idea how ignorant you are of the evil twisting of words, deletions of passages and words, your fake Bibles employ as tools of the devil to cast doubt on the veracity of God's word? All modern versions say very different things, they are all not God's word or one of them is God's word, they are all wrong or one of them is right.....they can't all be true when they all say different things. It's your puffed up head making you think you hear God's voice so you don't need His written word, you can make it up as you go along. Why not write your own version? You think you have special revelation, why not make your own fake version? Side: Its not
Dont add to His Word by requiring everyone to use kjv is division! That sows strife, not communion! No idols, we better be ready to let go of everything and anything! He is coming back for a people filled wirh light and love, pepple whp are joyfully working together and showing His light and love to the world. Yes we are supposed to stand firm against false teachers, false teachers deny the Cross and Resurection and the power that is in our lives in regeneration, being filled with the Spirit and encouraging one another to Godliness! Or He is coming back pistol! He gives us 2 laws, and look how far off the mark His people are. Look if you died with Him it is He in you that lives. And God will reach people who think evolution occurred. I honestly don't care if He had a million years in a day or 24 hours. But maybe after 6000 years science actually caught up to what God's Word has said all along and we just didn't know. He does say in Gen 4 - generations of days. And going back to the third day, God is into growth. And He was prophesying Jesus on the 3rd day. Looks like you will stay judgemental, untill hopefully God deals with your fruit issue Side: its stupid
I think God has a lot to say and show us in these Creation Days , especially in these end times. Jesus taught like 3 chapters from the third day Genesis 1 KJV 9 And God said, (Waters = Teachings Seas = Multitudes/ Gathering) 1 - Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, 2 - and let the dry land appear: 3 - and it was so. 10 And God (Dry Earth = God hasn't caused growth upon it) 1 - called the dry land Earth; 2 - and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: 3 - and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth 1 - bring forth grass, 2 - the herb yielding seed, 3 - and the fruit tree 4 - yielding fruit after his kind, 5 - .whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: 6 - and it was so. 12 And the earth 1 - brought forth grass, 1 2 - and herb yielding seed 2 3 - after his kind, 3 4 - and the tree 4 5 - yielding fruit, 5 6 - whose seed was in itself, after his kind: 6 7 - and God saw that it was good. 7 13 1 - And the evening 8 2 - and the morning 9 3 - were the third day. 10 Side: its stupid
The Bible says THE second day in Genesis, not "a second day". It's your fake Bible you are using for your twisted interpretation and your words are contradicting the word of God. Your fake Bible says "a second day". God's Word says THE second day.....and you can say that is Day number 2 and be in total agreement with God's word. You are twisting God's word and using fake Bibles as your guide. Side: Its not
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Its stupid to believe in evolution. If you want to believe life is meaningless and you escape from being you in death, go ahead and try to prove it and see if you don't end up in Hell. Thanks for proof of your willful ignorance. If you think the implication of evolution is that life is meaningless than you're seriously incapable of independent thought. Of course life has meaning if evolution is true. You're just asserting that is what we believe. Ooh hell I'm so look scared. Its funny how you reject every proof of evolution and then your counter argument is threatening people with a place you've never proven to exist. So you expect us to prove evolution to you but you're not required to prove anything you believe in? Difference is we actually present you with proof, you just assert that you're right. Side: Its not
There is a exclusive God and He has a people. The question, is there an exclusive God? If there is then yes there is an exclusive people, and culture. It's citizenship. If you are a citizen in the Kingdom of God, then your culture will reflect citizenship of that Kingdom. And you can join the club it's called free will. What would it be like if God didn't really exist? What if there was no Maximality, no Maximum Greatness, no Maximum Potential, and no Maximum Excellence to give form to abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence? Who then created abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence? What are the biological building blocks found in petri dish of nature are considered the building blocks of abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence that we see various degrees? If we are absent of a Creator, then what elements, cells, organisms or particles, and compounds were initially deposited into the earth at the beginning of our world's conception to form the building blocks for abstract qualities? Or of conscience judgement? Or of superior intelligence? If there are specific cells or elements are used as building blocks which later evolved to human abstract qualities, conscience judgement, or superior intelligence then wouldn't it be a reasonable scientific expectation as well as a logical conclusion that these same building blocks should also easily be seen throughout all living mammals, and also naturally present within our complex natural environment? Or at the very least a diverse samplings with a similar evolutionary outcome from using those same building blocks with a relevant degrees of differences from man down to the lowest form of mammal Side: its stupid
It must be because Jesus said this: Matthew 7: 13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. The question is; Who is (or was) Jesus? If Jesus is indeed who He said He is, than its true. The majority will speed down the highway, and all those in the Exclusive Christian Club will go against the crowd to stay on the Narrow Way through the little Itty bitty gate. And I must say, it's awefully kind of Christians to invite you to join them in their exclusive club, especially when a lot of you aren't really that great or easy in the slightest bit for us to help you, and invite you to come with us. So why do we? Why did martyrs die with forgiveness and mercy on their tongues for the very people who were killing them? Are Christians just simple minded stunads? Think about it. Now I know, there are sickos, like the 40 people in bread church of West Boro Baptist. I'm obviously not talking about creepy people that don't know Jesus yet insist they do! - Jesus said we can be good fruit inspectors, even if your not a farmer, you can tell good fruit from bad fruit, right?? Whether you agree with them or not, isn't it kind of nice, that even when people are horrible to them, Christians still invite them anyway, and that usually means a commitment to you, to help you through. How many of you are committed to help others at your expense? How many atheist are committed to you, to help you, with their time and effort at their expense, and usually accompanied with mean spirited people, we endure all to give you what we have, and to invite you to come where we are going? Do you have a lot of people other than your mother who is willing to give you their time and effort, for ridicule and hatred in return? .
John 3 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”. Side: its stupid
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Yeah, Aintnow crosssed the line from being a semi-competent debater to an intolerant elitest zealot a long time ago. As far as Hindusim goes, I rather enjoy reading some of your writings, as I have mentioned before. The founder of my Church also embraced some Hindu tenets when he first founded Unity some 100 years ago. Although I admit I rarely hear much talk about it in church these days, I'm sure a good deal of our members are at least tolerant of it. We are probably the most tolerant and accepting Church in the country. And our services are probably a lot closer to what Jesus had in mind than any others I know of. We celebrate God and acceptance and love rather than condemn and mourn the state of Man, as so many others do. What is the point of that sort of thing? It is not what God wants for His most beloved creations, which are us. Side: Its not
So your church is embracing world views and you think that's a good thing? Have you read Revelations. The whole book is about the churches apostasy, and God's judgment against her harlotries. You may not realize it, but Jesus spent most of His Words on training us on how NOT to be decieved. It is actually a life and death message, with detailed instructions, warning DECEPTIONS WILL BE POURED OUT LIKE A FLOOD, and that if time were not cut short in those days, even the elect could be deceived. So basically Jesus said in our final hours -BE SOBER AND ALERT! He says Take heed, He who has an ear to hear - LISTEN, be aware, don't be decieved, many will say Lord Lord He will say I never Knew You! He told about the wise man building a house, so it stands when the storms come, The sower parable, the 10 sleeping virgins, the wheat and the tares, etc etc etc... All this and He hammered it all like He was drilling us to get ready and prepared, like our lives depended on it! Luke 17 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left. 36 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.” 37 And answering they said to Him, “Where, Lord?” And He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered.”* Revelations 17 4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality, 5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” . Side: its stupid
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I believe in Evolution but refuse to argue it any more here. Because if there are still people in this day and age who have STILL stayed in the dark cave of ignorance and have refused to accept ALL the tons and tons of evidence for it, well, I am afraid that they are simply too far gone, mentally, to ever escape their denial. So why waste the time. I officially declare here and now I will never argue for it again. At least not here on CD. To me it is about as useful as arguing with some idiot who is a Flat Earther. They're too spun, man. And I also equate the same chances of evolution NOT being true as the chances that the Earth is flat. Side: Its not
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The thing that bothers me is that there are a lot of things in science that are worthy of debate. Within evolution alone there are still things being debated and researched to this day. Albeit those things require even a more nuanced understanding of biology than I have but at least those would be good places to argue with evolution. But instead of making well thought out arguments it's just the most insepid bullshit bottom of the barrel arguments. And not even arguments really but fallacies and misrepresentations mostly. They don't understand it so they straw man it over and over beginning with the mere definition of the word. They can't even muster an elementary school explaination of the theory. Side: its stupid
Why aren't at least some animals like us in degree of difference? Looks like the universe picked one animal on earth to Excell, while all others adapted at a different rate? If you have several pots of the same original water temperature to boil on the same degree of heat measure, with the differences in the various pots noted as pot sizes and water levels? Wouldn't you think with some math and measurements that all the pots would boil at the same rate relative to the size and water level without any notable degree of difference between them that can be explained by math and science equation determining the rate of boiling by the size of pot and water level? But science ignores the degree of difference between man and the entire animal kingdom!! Actually that's where science gets a 0 for logic! Explain the degree of difference in man relative to the degree of difference in like creatures. Then compare that degree to man. It's not mathematical or scientific!! It almost feels like Sesame Street logic. That basic!! Which of these things is not like the other...? Lion, Jaguar, Bob Cat, House Cat Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Asian Bear, Sloth Bear Moose, Caribou, Elk, Deer Man, Ape If we take this sampling all animals are relative in degree of difference. Even the apes degree of difference is relative to the stages of difference all the way down the lists of animals to the house cat. There are no jumps in degree of difference between any of the animals. They all are adaptive to their habitat and live by the instict needed for survival. There are 0 a big fat ZERO that are anything near the degree of difference found 100 % through nature that comes close to a reasonable degree of difference stepping up to man. Then even adaptation, all animals would adapt and improve at a similar degree of difference in improvements. Again it's the same when compared to all animals and then to man! Here is an example chart of degree off difference, even for man, using the most basic man without any advancements House Cat -- ..........Bear ------ ..........Lion --------- ...........Ape ------------- Basic Man --------------------------------------- ...Adv Man --------------------------------------- Side: its stupid
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Why aren't at least some animals like us in degree of difference? Looks like the universe picked one animal on earth to Excell, while all others adapted at a different rate? All animals adapted at the same rate. Our adaptation was just the most successful. And the universe didnt pick anything. The environment naturally selected traits that provided better chance for passing on genetic material. If you have several pots of the same original water temperature to boil on the same degree of heat measure, with the differences in the various pots noted as pot sizes and water levels? Wouldn't you think with some math and measurements that all the pots would boil at the same rate relative to the size and water level without any notable degree of difference between them that can be explained by math and science equation determining the rate of boiling by the size of pot and water level? Are you saying that all animals shouldve evolved to the same mental capacity as humans? Because thats not how it works. Evolution is not a race to some kind of finish line and we just happened to cross it first. Intelligence and the capability to use tools and things like that is not necessary in fish and many other animals. Things evolve to suit their environments. But science ignores the degree of difference between man and the entire animal kingdom!! Science very clearly explains the difference between man and the rest of the animal kingdom. You just dont understand evolution. Things evolve to adapt to their environment. Different environments mean different degrees of adaptation. We evolved to survive in the tall grass of the african plains. Then as our intelligence increased it gave us greater ability to survive and hunt prey and thus pass on genetic material. Eventually we became so intelligent we could sculpt the environment to suit US. Humans are not perfect creatures. You drop a human in the desert they will die. You drop a human in the ocean they will die. You drop a human in a temperate forest they will probably die. You drop a human in the arctic and they will die. Only in large numbers in certain climates can we survive. And now weve progressed so far that we can craft materials to allow us to survive in nearly all climates. But fish only need to adapt to the ocean. Heres an example, There is a fish (dont know the name but i could find it if youre interested), and this particular fish moved from the open ocean to start living in dark, underwater caves. After a while it became adapted to the dark environment of caves and actually lost its eyesight that it had before. Its adaptation to its environment was to become blind. Because since it didnt need to devote energy to eyesight its other senses were prioritized which allowed it to thrive better in that environment. That seems counter-intuitive to us humans who rely so heavily on our eyesight. Actually that's where science gets a 0 for logic! Explain the degree of difference in man relative to the degree of difference in like creatures. What do you mean by "degree of difference"? How would you quantify that? What are we measuring? Then compare that degree to man. It's not mathematical or scientific!! the way youre explaining it no it isnt mathematical or scientific. It almost feels like Sesame Street logic. That basic!! Well much like you, children who watch sesame street do not understand basic evolutionary biology. Which of these things is not like the other...? Lion, Jaguar, Bob Cat, House Cat Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Asian Bear, Sloth Bear Moose, Caribou, Elk, Deer Man, Ape If we take this sampling all animals are relative in degree of difference. Even the apes degree of difference is relative to the stages of difference all the way down the lists of animals to the house cat. There are no jumps in degree of difference between any of the animals. They all are adaptive to their habitat and live by the instict needed for survival. There are 0 a big fat ZERO that are anything near the degree of difference found 100 % through nature that comes close to a reasonable degree of difference stepping up to man. What the fuck are you talking about? I literally cant follow your train of though here. Apes are VERY similar to humans physically and socially. We have very similar bone structures, social interactions, and other physical traits. Our DNA is something like 98% identical. Then even adaptation, all animals would adapt and improve at a similar degree of difference in improvements. No they dont. Some animals are forced to adapt differently because their environments change. Some fish might go a very long time without any really significant changes because they become very suited to their environment and their environment remains constant. At the same time animals on land might have to adapt or die because of something like a volcanic eruption which changes the local ecosystem so drastically. Again it's the same when compared to all animals and then to man! Here is an example chart of degree off difference, even for man, using the most basic man without any advancements House Cat -- ..........Bear ------ ..........Lion --------- ...........Ape ------------- Basic Man --------------------------------------- ...Adv Man --------------------------------------- What are you using to come to this conclusion? What have you quantified to conclude that "adv man" is so vastly more "evolved" than lions and bears? Side: Its not
You: All animals adapted at the same rate. Our adaptation was just the most successful. And the universe didnt pick anything. The environment naturally selected traits that provided better chance for passing on genetic material. Me: Why would only 1 be most successful? And most successful isn't actually a term I would use Why were humans evolved like all others with a baseline to Excell through evolution at a different rate and potential than all other animals? We ate not talking about differences that are even moderate. We literally have 1 species naturally selected in "evolution" to not be dominant in a manner of food chain or strength. That would make sense in a self designed world. But we are talking about a difference that distinguishes us as not being mere animals. Please explain this in a self designed world. How? And why? Side: its stupid
Humans created languages, then learned read and write in languages. Which other animal is capable of achieving this thought process eventually ending in creating language, defining words, describing things, writing stories, reading stories, doing research and categorizing. All using languages reading and writing?? How did a self designed world not give any of this to any other species? If apes are our next in line equal they should be beyond primitive, but they are not even primitive. Do apes tell a story by wring even pictures? That's simple brain function for even a primitive primate. Man started communicating stories of what they saw immediately. Apes must do this by now in evolution, right? Side: its stupid
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Humans created languages, then learned read and write in languages. Which other animal is capable of achieving this thought process eventually ending in creating language, defining words, describing things, writing stories, reading stories, doing research and categorizing. All using languages reading and writing?? None. Whats your point? All species of animals communicate with eachother in some way. We have more complex brains so our language is more complex. How did a self designed world not give any of this to any other species? Because no other species developed the brain functions to allow for it. If apes are our next in line equal they should be beyond primitive, but they are not even primitive. Theyre not our "next in line" they are us. We ARE apes. Do apes tell a story by wring even pictures? To some degree yes. Bonobos and Chimps in captivity have showed remarkable intelligence. They can learn sign language and draw and "write\" to some degree. They draw general shapes relating to what they want to say That's simple brain function for even a primitive primate. Man started communicating stories of what they saw immediately. Apes must do this by now in evolution, right? We are those apes that do this now. Other apes like chimps and bonobos evolved to adapt in different ways. They are adapted to life in trees and forests. Theyre also 10X stronger than us and have far stronger dental structures than us. In that way they are more "evolved" than us. Were relatively fragile and squishy creatures. So many things can eat us easily. Even little bugs can kill us. You seem to have this illusion that humans are the most superior things ever in every single way. Were not Side: Its not
Random evolution patterns would not and could not have randomly merged forming a one of a kind anomaly, a species that is completely unique, different in every way. It's as if "evolution" sought to signal out and predestined man exclsively, to host a depth of complex qualities, superior intelligence, reasoning, emotions, and memories. Man of course is responsible for every modern advancement, and stretched to every maximum advancement potential. Evolving to achieve the maximum potential in every advancements possible, and unknown to random design. Designed for that potential outcome that resulted in reaching maximum available advancements with unknown full maximum potential, an order developed through chaotic random patterns of distributions through evolution.All "other" animals are within a moderate degree of difference to one another, except for one "animal." Man is designed all together different, and humans are not comparable in any way at all or in any degree of difference. Man is entirely unique, not even as an advanced animal. Man is one of a kind. Animals can have great pet qualities and can be companions to us, follow simple commands, be nurturing, respond with some level of emotion, and some animals easily to human families. Animals can relate and adapt to us and our environments. Their instincts relate to us like we are dogs or cats also. But WE CAN'T ADAPT to THEIR FAMILIES! Regardless of cute stories like Tarzan and Mogely, wolves, bears, and apes do not and can not raise "human infants as cubs." In captivity animals adapt to the given environment and may even loose their ability to live again in their natural environments. Animals compared to animals evolved at a similar degrees of difference, relative to all the other animals, in every attribute and ability, without any animals displaying any unique qualities compared to other animals extremes degree of differences, but then compared to man, the man is entirely unique from all the "other" species and by a magnitude of extremes in every degree of difference! It doesn't make any sense for Random Evolution to have such an extremely uneven outcome to such extreme magnitudes degrees in favor of only one "animal," differentiating man above all "other" animals. Resulting in only one species excelling in extreme degrees of differences in every way compared to all the "other" Randomly Evolved animals! Random Evolution would not be selecrive of only one "animal species" as selected to evolve at such extreme degrees of difference compared to all the "other" animals. It's like comparing two trips. One trip taking a helicopter across part of state; to another trip taking a high speed jet around the world. Random Evolution would have had to have been intelligent to drive Random Evolution to not be random to produce such results as we see today between man and animals. Genesis says God brought all the animals to man and there were none like him, so He made one like him, Eve. Even though animals amazing when we see, if our one year old communicated at that level it wouldn't make TV but when animals do beyond abilities it's amazing because they are just animals All these animals, even the most special ones, are still relative to each other with only moderate degrees of difference Side: its stupid
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Random evolution patterns would not and could not have randomly merged forming a one of a kind anomaly, a species that is completely unique, different in every way. Well that would be true if evolution were random. It isnt random at all. Natural selection is a very direct process. It's as if "evolution" sought to signal out and predestined man exclsively, to host a depth of complex qualities, superior intelligence, reasoning, emotions, and memories. No. Absolutely not. There is a clear history of the steps in intellectual and social development of man leading back to simple hominids. The trait that allowed us to survive was our intelligence. There is a clear survival advantage to every step in our development and those things were naturally selected for. For instance, humans that were born with greater capacity for memory were able to learn from mistakes and recall important information, such as landmarks near where resources are or where home is. They could also remember which foods may not be edible. And every advancement in memory is clearly a more advantageous trait and would be introduced to the gene pool. Our current state is just the natural product of this process on a long timescale. We are exactly what we would expect to see in a species where intelligence was the most important trait for survival. And youre saying that like we are the end product. Evolution does not have an end, it is an ongoing process. In thousands of years (if were still around) we would be able to see at least some evolutionary changes in the new humans vs us. Man of course is responsible for every modern advancement, and stretched to every maximum advancement potential. Evolving to achieve the maximum potential in every advancements possible, and unknown to random design. Designed for that potential outcome that resulted in reaching maximum available advancements with unknown full maximum potential, an order developed through chaotic random patterns of distributions through evolution.All "other" animals are within a moderate degree of difference to one another, except for one "animal." Again, not random at all. And what makes you think weve achieved the "maximum potential"? There is no such thing Man is designed all together different, and humans are not comparable in any way at all or in any degree of difference. Man is entirely unique, not even as an advanced animal. Man is one of a kind. No were not. Were one of a kind ONLY in terms of our intelligence. Thats it. We still eat like every other animal. The process by which we turn food into energy is the same process that exists in all other animals. We still excrete waste like any other animal. Our fingernails and hair contain karatin which is present in many other animals. We are very similar socially to other apes. This idea that man is somehow vastly different is an illusion. Youre basically saying that because weve managed to build everything that we have therefore we couldnt have evolved. But its precisely because we evolved in the way we did that we were able to build everything that we have. Animals can have great pet qualities and can be companions to us, follow simple commands, be nurturing, respond with some level of emotion, and some animals easily to human families. Animals can relate and adapt to us and our environments. Their instincts relate to us like we are dogs or cats also. But WE CAN'T ADAPT to THEIR FAMILIES! Regardless of cute stories like Tarzan and Mogely, wolves, bears, and apes do not and can not raise "human infants as cubs." We DOMESTICATED animals to be more amenable to our lifestyle. Also most pets do not have a need for social interaction with others of their species. Thats why you can have just one cat and all it needs is food and water which we provide for them. Its EASY to live with humans and weve adapted them to living with us. Dogs used to be wolves and they largely evolved alongside us into the dogs of today. Weve had extreme influence over their evolution. They accept the food and water we give them and the protection we provide. But you take a human out of a group of humans and it will die generally speaking. Mostly because as a side effect of our bipedalism we are very fragile babies that need very close attention, care, and protection. Also, most other animals dont the amount of intelligence necessary to recognize a human baby as something worth protecting and nurturing. They would see it as food. However we have seen evidence that apes like chimps and bonobos do have this capacity but they do not understand how fragile a human is nor what is necessary to sustain them so of course its not going to work. Im not sure how us not being able to be raised by other species is evidence against evolution. Thats exactly what we would expect to see in evolution which is the process by which life diversifies. In captivity animals adapt to the given environment and may even loose their ability to live again in their natural environments. Animals compared to animals evolved at a similar degrees of difference, relative to all the other animals, in every attribute and ability, without any animals displaying any unique qualities compared to other animals extremes degree of differences, but then compared to man, the man is entirely unique from all the "other" species and by a magnitude of extremes in every degree of difference! You can point out how man is different from other creatures. Man is its own unique species. But you could do the same thing for shrimp. Or snakes. Or any other animal. Every creature evolves to do what it does the best that it can. What that thing is differs between all species. Once again please define "degree" of difference. What measurement is that? How are you measuring that? It doesn't make any sense for Random Evolution to have such an extremely uneven outcome to such extreme magnitudes degrees in favor of only one "animal," differentiating man above all "other" animals. 1. Again, not random. 2. Man is different in some respects but very simliar in others. We clearly fit in as just one component of the larger animal kingdom. Your belief that man is somehow so different that were utterly uncomprable to any other animal is totally baseless and very exaggerated. Resulting in only one species excelling in extreme degrees of differences in every way compared to all the "other" Randomly Evolved animals! Only in terms of intelligence. Not in terms of much else. If were speaking in terms of, say, physical strength then chimpanzees would be vastly superior to us. Your taking our evolutionary strongpoint in our intelligence and general brain development and saying therefore we are COMPLETELY different in all other ways. Which just isnt true. Random Evolution would not be selecrive of only one "animal species" as selected to evolve at such extreme degrees of difference compared to all the "other" animals. Thats because evolution isnt random. We would expect to see modern humans arise from early species whos greatest survivability trait is intelligence. It's like comparing two trips. One trip taking a helicopter across part of state; to another trip taking a high speed jet around the world. Random Evolution would have had to have been intelligent to drive Random Evolution to not be random to produce such results as we see today between man and animals. No it wouldnt. It would just have to be the case that being more intelligent, even my a small margin, is more advantageous than being less intelligent. Which for humans was true. Genesis says God brought all the animals to man and there were none like him, so He made one like him, Eve. Even though animals amazing when we see, if our one year old communicated at that level it wouldn't make TV but when animals do beyond abilities it's amazing because they are just animals Its amazing to us because theyre displaying intelligence and behavior that is not within their general capacities. The same way people are amazed at strong-men who can bench press 600 pounds. Its outside OUR general capacities. You can find an example for nearly any animal and humans are no exception. Also if you want to posit god as an actual explaination for what you believe to be mans VAST difference then you actually have to prove god exists. I mean its pretty laughable. Evolution is the most supported theory in all of modern biology. Hell, in all of modern science. Everything we know about biology is based off of it. And your counter argument and alternative explaination is that a 2000 year old book says a magical space being that nobody has ever proved to exist poofed all the animals into existence but REALLY loved humans so he made them super special. I mean cmon. Most of your arguments against evolution are based on false premises and a lack of understanding of the actual process and what it predicts. And even if i grant you that evolution is true and i just totally accept your position outright, youre still no closer to proving that your explaination is true. All these animals, even the most special ones, are still relative to each other with only moderate degrees of difference That kind of undermined your argument. "even the most special ones" yeah meaning humans. Fit humans into that group and then you have it right. The pedestal you have placed humans on is undeserved. Side: Its not
Any evolution that occurred had someone behind it. There is NO random assembly that randomly occurred, because God the Creator of all was behind it all!! Natural selection without Creative design and intelligence would create the world's contents strictly for durability. Beauty if found at all would be a freak accident of nature, and beauty would be unusually found, NOT the NORM! Beauty would not be an actual thought process in consideration of natural selection for compatable mutations of evolution! Design would merely be crude and functional! We would all look like dolls from a chunky movie! Seriously, think it through! It's fine if science wants to "believe" evolution is bonding, merging cells, creating systems, and building life forms with complex systems and with ability to reproduce, but then please act like we all have a brain to reason and think. Random assembly may be natural selections of compatability, but lets not pretend beauty is its by product! Evolving for survival, even dominance is a act of evolution, but any beauty that results that is design by the Creator! The crazy thought of evolutionists thay I'm talking about is the persona unfairly and inaccurately given by science evolution people, giving evolution a deciding selective ability based on design above basic scientific mutability. If there is no one behind evolution, then beauty would be very rare! Your a fool if you think this world's creations outcome was achieved by non descript random merges of pure luck, with results achieved a superior outcome. Its foolish to think the world we enjoy is a creation of merely cell compatability selected by a purely scientific faceless persona named evolution, without an intelligent Creator with intendion, purpose, and creative beauty, and also for durable design!! See all you science only thinkers want it both ways. You all want evolution with no god, but then still expect all the creative power of God. You all want to have creative evolution, but with no Creator. Honestly that's a pipe dream with faith in Santa Clause! But if your going to insult your intellegence go ahead, but we know it's ridiculous! Evolution is just science. So its either science without design and is fixed on natural principal and basic durability which would not look like it looks in our world. Or there is someone creative that has an artist eye for the outcome and has done a work of creative design. But don't think for a minute anyone would buy the gobly gook that evolution is not the hand of a Creator painting, then out come does NOT accidently turn out as though it was painted! Science and evolution creates! But is not creative! Side: its stupid
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Any evolution that occurred had someone behind it. Prove it. I eagerly await you evidence that a god exists. There is NO random assembly that randomly occurred, because God the Creator of all was behind it all!! Youre right. There isnt any random assembly. Theres evolution by natural selection Natural selection without Creative design and intelligence would create the world's contents strictly for durability. You have a too narrow definition of durability. Its not durability of the organism its durability of the genes. And in many, many species what increases the odds of passing on genes is purely cosmetic things like colors or what we would call beauty. Beauty if found at all would be a freak accident of nature, and beauty would be unusually found, NOT the NORM! How is it the norm? I direct you to the blob fish. I direct you to many insects and species of animal and plants that are NOT beautiful by any stretch. If a creator wanted beauty then why is there roses AND poison ivy? Roses are clearly more beautiful than a tiny little green sprout that causes ugly, puss filled rashes. What, god just decided to be a dick one day and make them? Beauty would not be an actual thought process in consideration of natural selection for compatable mutations of evolution! Design would merely be crude and functional! FUNCTIONAL is the key word. And visual beauty can and is functional. We would all look like dolls from a chunky movie! Seriously, think it through! It's fine if science wants to "believe" evolution is bonding, merging cells, creating systems, and building life forms with complex systems and with ability to reproduce, but then please act like we all have a brain to reason and think. Random assembly may be natural selections of compatability, but lets not pretend beauty is its by product! Science has proven that evolution happens and continues to happen and results in what we would call "beauty". You have not proven that it cannot. You mearly strawmanned it by claiming its a totally random process when it isnt. Then you assert that it cannot create beauty. And because of that you then necessitate god into existence on some technicality when you havent proven or provided positive evidence that he exists. Its fine for you to "believe" that evolution is random and that a god exists. But neither are true. Evolving for survival, even dominance is a act of evolution, but any beauty that results that is design by the Creator! False. Peacock example. The crazy thought of evolutionists thay I'm talking about is the persona unfairly and inaccurately given by science evolution people, giving evolution a deciding selective ability based on design above basic scientific mutability. If there is no one behind evolution, then beauty would be very rare! False Your a fool if you think this world's creations outcome was achieved by non descript random merges of pure luck, with results achieved a superior outcome. Its foolish to think the world we enjoy is a creation of merely cell compatability selected by a purely scientific faceless persona named evolution, without an intelligent Creator with intendion, purpose, and creative beauty, and also for durable design!! See all you science only thinkers want it both ways. You all want evolution with no god, but then still expect all the creative power of God. And its foolish to reject evolution on a totally false premise and then believe 2000 year old myths as your counter explaination when you have zero proof that such a being actually exists. You all want to have creative evolution, but with no Creator. Honestly that's a pipe dream with faith in Santa Clause! But if your going to insult your intellegence go ahead, but we know it's ridiculous! Evolution is just science. So its either science without design and is fixed on natural principal and basic durability which would not look like it looks in our world. Or there is someone creative that has an artist eye for the outcome and has done a work of creative design. But don't think for a minute anyone would buy the gobly gook that evolution is not the hand of a Creator painting, then out come does NOT accidently turn out as though it was painted! Science and evolution creates! But is not creative! Mhmm. i direct you to my above and previous arguments Side: Its not
The rule of logic leading to Maximum Greatness, by standards of Maximum Excellence is as follows. Qualities pertaining to Maximum Excellence in Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Moral Perfection necessary to achieve Maximum Greatness is determined by the highest possible Evolution in any and every possible world. Maximum Excellence is point of reference, and Maximum Greatness is point of reference! 1 Maximum Greatness exists in any and every possible world.
2 Maximum Excellence exists in every possible way relative to the greatest or at the very least minimum application necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in any and every possible world.
3 If any of the possible worlds consists of only ants and bugs, then Maximum Excellence is whatever qualities are necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in that possible world. 4 So Maximum Excellence is relative to the greater or at least minimum applications necessary to achieve highest evolution of Maximum Greatness for any and all possible world. 5 Maximum Excellence entails the application of qualities necessary to achieve Maximum Greatness relative to any and every possible world. 6 There exists a Being of Maximum Excellence relative to the greatest or at least minimum qualities necessary to achieve Maximum Greatness in any and every possible world. 7 Maximum Excellence as Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Moral Perfection are relative to the greater or at least minimum application necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in every possible world.
8 What is impossible in one possible world, may be be possible in other possible worlds. 9 What is possible in one possible world may be impossible in another possible world. 10 The proposition, there exists an Omnicient, Omnipotent, and Morally Perfect Being of Maximum Excellence relative to the greater or at least minimum application necessary to achieve it's highest possible evolution to Maximum Greatness in an actual possible world. 11 So the conclusion is there must be a Maximum Excellent Being in any and every possible world that has the greatest or at least minimum qualities necessary in Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Moral Perfection relevant to the acievement of highest possible evolution in Maximum Greatness in that actual possible world . 12 - Nothing exists if No-Maximality is exemplified 13 - Maximal greatness is possible only if Maximality is exemplified. 14 - Without Maximality, then Maximal Greatness is impossible! 15 - Since Maximality exists, ONLY those who are made in the image of Maximality can achieve the highest possible Maximum Greatness in the image of Maximality! 16 - Those who are made in the image of Maximality achieve Maximum Greatness by an ever present goal within themselves, and set before themselves ever reaching for their Maximum Greatness with standards reflective of the image of Maximality! 17 - The goal to achieve Maximum Greatness can never achieved if Maximality is altered by a lesser image of Maximality in any and every possible world! 18 - Maximum Greatness is achieved by reaching it's Maximum Potential in it's Maximum Purpose through achieving it's highest possible likeness to an unaltered image of Maximality. Side: its stupid
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That is a bunch of word salad dressed up to seem logical. No matter how hard you try you cant logic god into existence. You can just argue god into existence. You need physical evidence testable and demonstrable. Summarized your argument is that if a god exists in some possible world then it must exist in all worlds. Therefore if it can exist it does exist. Thats retarded. Just because something has the possibility of existing doesnt mean it necessarily exists. https://www.youtube.com/ A very simple 2 minute video debunking this tired old apologetic that youve employed. When were talking about what exists in OUR reality you have to actually get physical proof of it, test it, and confirm it and be able to demonstrate it. What youve provided does none of those things. It attempts to talk in circles to get god to become a necessity using only words. You cant talk something into existence. Sorry thats not how logic works Side: Its not
Even in science that is used to disprove God, He is proven! Ever learning but never arriving to the factual truth. Paraphrased from the Bible. A bunch of ancient guys understood the properties of Light as witnessed everywhere light is mentioned in the Bible. Not by one other a few ancient guys. But all understood light! Why and how? Because they knew Light Himself! Omnicient? What can be in three times periods at once? Hmm how did they understand that, and call Him Light? Proof enough? Where does time stand Eternally still? Prophets said in the light! See New Jerusalem in Revelations! Proof enough? Light is a common thread throughout the entire Bible. It is mentioned approx 280 times. With its original word used meaning ray and beam of light to glow and illuminate. You have NO idea the depths of incredible knowledge down to the deepest mysteries of the universe are found in that Ancient Book! Man, you have no idea! I hope you do though. Everyone who walks in the light, once walked in darkness also. No level of 'proof" will do anything if your heart doesn't want God to exist! So staying blind is a choice, staying deaf is a choice, staying illiterate is a choice! These are all choices when presented with the facts of faith! They are FACTS OF FAITH! Side: its stupid
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Even in science that is used to disprove God, He is proven! Science doesnt prove or disprove god. God is an unfalsifiable concept. You cant measure or test for god in any way. He cant be confirmed or denied. Science doesnt even attempt to answer the question of whether god exists because its a nonsensical question. Theres nothing for scientists to measure so how could they even go about doing that? Theres no conceivable experiment you could perform to test for god. Ever learning but never arriving to the factual truth. Paraphrased from the Bible. A bunch of ancient guys understood the properties of Light as witnessed everywhere light is mentioned in the Bible. Not by one other a few ancient guys. But all understood light! The fuck does that even mean? Seriously? They understood light? As in they understood that photons travel at the speed of light? What are you even saying? This is just fluffy language and nonsense. Why and how? Because they knew Light Himself! That makes no fucking sense. Light isnt a he or a she its photons. Omnicient? What can be in three times periods at once? Hmm how did they understand that, and call Him Light? Proof enough? No! Its not fucking proof! I dont even know what youre talking about. You havent demonstrated anything. All you said was a bunch of ancient people "understood" light. The fuck does that even mean?
Where does time stand Eternally still? Prophets said in the light! That makes no sense. Time doesnt stand still. Time isnt even a real thing its just a human expression. There is only spacetime See New Jerusalem in Revelations! Proof enough? No! New jerusalem? The fuck does that even mean? What is that proof of? Youre speaking in mindless platitudes No level of 'proof" will do anything if your heart doesn't want God to exist! Well as soon as you start providing even a shred of proof we can test that claim So staying blind is a choice, staying deaf is a choice, staying illiterate is a choice! I agree. So read up on evolution because you clearly dont understand it worth shit. As for me ive read the bible cover to cover. Its not persuasive at all. These are all choices when presented with the facts of faith! They are FACTS OF FAITH! You didnt provide a single fact in this verbal diarrhea you call an argument. Nothing you said made any sense. You didnt provide any proof or evidence of anything. You just made a bunch of malformed claims about psuedoreligious psuedoscientific nonsense. If you had facts you wouldnt need faith. Faith by definition is belief without or in the face of evidence to the contrary. Its called faith because there is literally no facts backing it up. Side: Its not
Evolving for survival, even dominance is a act of evolution, but any beauty that results that is design by the Creator! The crazy thought of evolutionists thay I'm talking about is the persona unfairly and inaccurately given by science evolution people, giving evolution a deciding selective ability based on design above basic scientific mutability. If there is no one behind evolution, then beauty would be very rare! Your a fool if you think this world's creations outcome was achieved by non descript random merges of pure luck, with results achieved a superior outcome. Its foolish to think the world we enjoy is a creation of merely cell compatability selected by a purely scientific faceless persona named evolution, without an intelligent Creator with intendion, purpose, and creative beauty, and also for durable design!! See all you science only thinkers want it both ways. You all want evolution with no god, but then still expect all the creative power of God. Laughable!!! This is actually Laughable! It's soooooo dumb! You all want to have creative evolution, but with no Creator. Honestly that's a pipe dream with faith in Santa Clause! But if your going to insult your intellegence go ahead, but we know it's ridiculous! Evolution is just science. So its either science without design and is fixed on basic biology and natural principals and basic durability which would not look like it looks in our world. Or there is someone creative that has an artist eye for the outcome and has done a work of creative design. But don't think for a minute anyone would buy the gobly gook that evolution is not the hand of a Creator painting, then out come does NOT accidently turn out as though it was painted! Side: its stupid
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Evolving for survival, even dominance is a act of evolution, but any beauty that results that is design by the Creator! False. Evolution is not just for survival of the organism its for survival of the species. Its for survival of the genes. Evolution does not only occur in terms of durability. As long as a trait improves the chances of passing on genes it is an advantageous trait. And these things can and do result in what we would call beauty. Take peacock feathers for instance, A males huge colorful plumage does not appear to have any benefits in terms of pure survivability vs predators, or for hunting its prey. But it absolutely does increase the odds that that male will pass on his genes through reproduction. The mutation that results in bigger, more eye-catching feathers benefits the organism by attracting a mate more easily than those who do not have that mutation. As such, that male will pass on his genes for large, beautiful feathers to his offspring and that mutation enters the peacock gene pool. Now you have more and more males that have big, colorful plumage. Those who have the mutation will attract mates and pass on their genes, those who do not will not pass on thier genes and those genes for non-colorful, small feathers will die out. Over time you will keep getting bigger and more colorful plumes because having those is advantageous to those males passing on their genes. Your understanding of evolution is way oversimplified. Youre only thinking in terms of things like scales for armor, or claws for defense, or venom, or things like that. But mutations occur in purely cosmetic ways that also increase the odds that those genes persist into future generations. The crazy thought of evolutionists thay I'm talking about is the persona unfairly and inaccurately given by science evolution people, giving evolution a deciding selective ability based on design above basic scientific mutability. If there is no one behind evolution, then beauty would be very rare! Not true. i direct you to the above Your a fool if you think this world's creations outcome was achieved by non descript random merges of pure luck, with results achieved a superior outcome. And youre a fool if you think a god did it. And once again, no luck or random chance involved. Its foolish to think the world we enjoy is a creation of merely cell compatability selected by a purely scientific faceless persona named evolution, without an intelligent Creator with intendion, purpose, and creative beauty, and also for durable design!! Cell compatibility? What? Now youre just throwing around big "sciencey" words to sound like you know what youre talking about when its very apparent that you dont. See all you science only thinkers want it both ways. You all want evolution with no god, but then still expect all the creative power of God. Because this "creative power of god" is a complete and utter illusion. Also because you cant just necessitate god into existence through technicality. You actually need positive evidence of his existence. Which you dont have. Laughable!!! This is actually Laughable! It's soooooo dumb! You all want to have creative evolution, but with no Creator. Honestly that's a pipe dream with faith in Santa Clause! Says the guy who believes in the equivalent of santa clause But if your going to insult your intellegence go ahead, but we know it's ridiculous! Evolution is just science. So its either science without design and is fixed on basic biology and natural principals and basic durability which would not look like it looks in our world. Or there is someone creative that has an artist eye for the outcome and has done a work of creative design. Neither. You just simply dont understand evolution and the depth of its ability to influence the development of organisms in multiple ways. But don't think for a minute anyone would buy the gobly gook that evolution is not the hand of a Creator painting, then out come does NOT accidently turn out as though it was painted! Not an accident. Not random. For the 100th time And you dont accept evolution but your counter is 2000 year old myths that you believe 100% on faith that you hope its true. Side: Its not
You have an awful lot of faith in far reaching abilities you think are in biology. Evolution purposes to assembe mutations for progress and for further adaptation and progress. Evolution without a Creator is only selective of biological attractions based on the basic needs to sustain durability, survival and to further evolve for progress has no selection ability for preference. This kind of faith is fairy dust! It's an acid trip to think evolution without a Creator can manage its designs selective also of mutations that will lead ultimately to artistic beauty too. Thinking biology can evolve to mostly beauty is unrealistic! There are not enough care Bears and fairy dust to sustain that dream! I'm sure organized artistic beauty evolved through biological selection in your make believe word of evolution But really... That's pretty neive faith in evolution's biological focus and creative abilities! Side: its stupid
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You have an awful lot of faith in far reaching abilities you think are in biology. No. I have evidence based acceptance of the most widely supported theory in all of biology. YOU have complete and total faith in complete nonsense. Evolution purposes to assembe mutations for progress and for further adaptation and progress. Evolution without a Creator is only selective of biological attractions based on the basic needs to sustain durability, survival and to further evolve for progress has no selection ability for preference. NATURE is what drives the selection. Have you not heard of natural selection? Organisms evolve to suit their environment and their niche in that ecosystem. As they evolve they get better and better adapted to those things. This kind of faith is fairy dust! It's an acid trip to think evolution without a Creator can manage its designs selective also of mutations that will lead ultimately to artistic beauty too. It doesnt take a shred of faith. None. And it DID result in what you call beauty so get over it. Thinking biology can evolve to mostly beauty is unrealistic! There are not enough care Bears and fairy dust to sustain that dream! Beauty is a totally subjective term. Maybe beauty to me is only that which is at least the size of a planet. In which case nothing on earth is beautiful. And if evolution cant create beauty then according to my standard of beauty it didnt because no modern organisms are beautiful. This is the problem with using unscientific terms like beauty. They have far to vague a meaning to be useful I'm sure organized artistic beauty evolved through biological selection in your make believe word of evolution But really... Artistic beauty did not evolve. Our brains evolved to the point where they have a capacity for artistic beauty or what we would call artistic beauty. That's pretty neive faith in evolution's biological focus and creative abilities! No it isnt. Whats neive is just asserting that such a process needs a creator when you cant even demonstrate that, and then just blindly believing such a creator exists when theres no evidence for the creator at all. Side: Its not
We know by every example in nature, fighting for survival is a destructive pattern, not a cooperative pattern. Dog eat dog! A persona would be cooperative for the greater outcome of all. But a binary foundation of biolgy only driven evolution is concerned only for self preservation and self progress. Its silly "faith" to think such an achievement can have been achieved by this competing environment! And beauty a result is a knee slapping riot! Talk about Santa and the Easter Bunny, oh my God how dumb ass funny! So achieving order for optimal survival of all competing mutations would not in any world be produced as we have in our world created by The Creative Creator. It was managed! Assembled by someone, and wad not by luck achieved through selective mutations with all the right choices, made on a binary scale of choices geared only toward self durability and progress! Seriously, they teach how not to apply any common sense so they can tell you what to think, not how to think! Stop letting it! You don't see this as ridiculous and fictional? Wow! Again Wow!! Side: its stupid
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We know by every example in nature, fighting for survival is a destructive pattern, not a cooperative pattern. Dog eat dog! Dog eats dog. So the second dog, in order for its species to survive, must adapt and become "stronger". Then the first dog wont be able to eat it so the first dog must then also get "stronger". Then the second dog must become stronger again. And on and on and on. The cycle of life and survival is a process that builds. A persona would be cooperative for the greater outcome of all. But a binary foundation of biolgy only driven evolution is concerned only for self preservation and self progress. No its concerned with the preservation of the species. Its silly "faith" to think such an achievement can have been achieved by this competing environment! No it isnt. Its observable fact And beauty a result is a knee slapping riot! No its not. Hence, once again, the peacock example which you completely ignored. Talk about Santa and the Easter Bunny, oh my God how dumb ass funny! Right, the myth about a man who can fly on a magic sleigh and deliver presents of the world to all kids in one night. How silly! Not at all like a magical god who created the universe and loves us all yet chooses to let us all be afflicted by disease and death even though he could act and intervene if he wanted to. So achieving order for optimal survival of all competing mutations would not in any world be produced as we have in our world created by The Creative Creator. False. It was managed! Assembled by someone, Prove it. Youre not disproving evolution your strawmanning it then dismissing it and claiming that your god is the necessary go-to answer without actually proving it exists. Even if i grant you that evolution isnt true youre still no closer to proving that your god exists. Your god is not the default answer. If evolution is false then we must actually prove what the real explaination for lifes diversity is with evidence. and wad not by luck achieved through selective mutations with all the right choices, made on a binary scale of choices geared only toward self durability and progress! Seriously, they teach how not to apply any common sense so they can tell you what to think, not how to think! Stop letting it! Common sense? You wanna talk about fucking common sense? People dont rise from the dead because a 2000 year old book says they did. The world didnt flood because a 2000 year old book says it did. Water doesnt turn to win because a 2000 year old book says it did. Honestly, your position is so laughable. Youre so skeptical of proven established science upon which everything we know about biology is based upon. Hell, your last flu shot couldntve been developed without our understanding of evolutionary biology. And youre so willing to dismiss it all. Yet you show ZERO skepticism when it comes to your obviously untrue bronze age myths. You don't see this as ridiculous and fictional? Wow! Again Wow!! Projection at its finest Side: Its not
Jesus did rise from the dead. And His body was glorified and transformed into a body that can be touched. There is probably some science along with the superinatural. Isn't God Light, and Aren't our bodies made up of electric? 1 Corinthians 15: 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. 39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.The Mystery of Resurrection 50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55 “O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?” 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Since God the Creator is Light, don't you think this would be in His wheelhouse. Side: its stupid
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Jesus did rise from the dead. Prove it And His body was glorified and transformed into a body that can be touched. Prove it. But how could you possibly prove it if it can't be tested or observed? That is the problem with your religion. You can't verify any of it. You just have to believe the bible, some book, at face value. There is probably some science along with the superinatural. There's PROBABLY some science?? So you acknowledge you have no scientific basis for anything you believe. Glad we cleared that up. But I'll let you know no there is ZERO science behind the supernatural. We have never tested or measured anything that wasn't natural. Hence why it's called supernatural. If we could observe it in nature it wouldn't be supernatural. Isn't God Light, No. Light is light. Light is photons traveling at light speed. God is supposedly an entity with intelligence outside space and time. Light can't exist there. Saying God is light makes literally no sense. If God is light then he cant do anything that is attributed to him. Light can't spawn matter out of nothing. Saying God is light is fluffy theological nonsense that attempts to take something supernatural like God and equate him with something natural like Light and when you do that you equate him into existence. If God is light, light exists, therefore God exists. No that is not how logic works. and Aren't our bodies made up of electric? Our bodies have bioelectricity that runs through our nerves. Which is not light. And I just explained how the God is light argument does not hold water. 1 Corinthians 15: 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; That isn't evidence that is the claim. The bible says Christ rose from the dead and your evidence of that claim is the bible saying Christ rose from the dead. Do you not see the problem with that? You're using the source of the claim as evidence of the claim. Also, wow a book says something! Therefore it must be true! Except no that isn't how logic works. We don't have to accept anything written in books at face value. I question the bibles truth and validity. Can you use anything besides the bible to authenticate it? 37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. 39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.The Mystery of Resurrection 50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55 “O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?” 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Same response. This is the source of the claim not evidence of the claim. And just because a book says something is true doesn't make it true. The Koran says sperm comes from the human spine. That is objectively false. And you would agree the Koran is wrong. But what if you told a Muslim to prove it and he cites some Surah in the Koran that says " and Allah hath created the backbone which createth the life juice of man". And the Muslim says "see! There's your evidence right there. " Since God the Creator is Light, don't you think this would be in His wheelhouse. You haven't proven God created light. You having proven God exists. Let me explain. I do not challenge the idea that a God has power over life and death. If a God exists then absolutely he would have the power to raise the dead and walk on water and all kinds of miracles. I don't contest that a God could do that. IF a God exists. But until you prove this God exists then talking about what a God can and can't do is a pointless line of reasoning. You have to establish he's real before we talk about what he did or didn't do. Side: Its not
Please read, if God shows you, we'll be blessed! Scoffer will scoff, but those who are His will get it! When God made the world in Genesis, He ALSO established an "appointed time" for every act of prophesy that day from the beginning to end! The Bible is so amazing, but without the Spirit of God in us it's an unknown wacky Book, with nice object lessons, but a book of riddles! But with the Spirit of God in us and showing us, Man! It opens up eternity, like your swimming in a deepest crystal clear river, with Living Waters rushing through every appointed time, with every wisdom ever known, with the sounds of Eternity echoing throughout the deepest cavern declaring the glory and power of God that He wove into a Book His people could hold in their hands! Everyday of creation is a 1000 years of time till He establishes His Kingdom and ushers in His 7th day "rest" as His 1000 year reign, while He establishes New Jerusalem. It's the time period of letting the earth sit for its day of rest, while His children also rest for 1000 years, before finally bringing His final Kingdom to earth "The New Jerusalem" in Revelations 21. God say "at the appointed time" over and over and over again, such as in when fulfilled promise to Abraham and Sarah "when" conceived Isaac "at the appointed time" then there is the story to us ... when Abraham was "100 years old" He fathered Isaac ... and "86" When "Ishmael" was born. Here is a very important prophesy given to Ishmael's "Egyptian" mom " "Sarai treated her harshly, and she fled from her presence. 7 Now the angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” 10 Moreover, the angel of the Lord said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.” 11 The angel of the Lord said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction. 12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him, And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” Does this sound like anything to you??? Umm yeah, it's a prophesy that grows, and is part of Israel's history up till end time prophesies fulfilled in final days. Now this is a prophesy showing Israel's enemies, and every nation's part in it! How telling! Well these specific events and time periods are time setters designed by God "in completeion" of all His work! And every detail we need to guide us is literally in the Bible everywhere, in everything, every story, every parable!!! Even in geneologies, what I've seen in Genesis from Adam to Noah and through Cain's geneology is end times mindblowong! Along with many other things that I've seen in Genesis. ---------- Jesus was not ever coming on the "2000 year Millenial" like many thought whit hype of computers shutting down etc ... if you remember that hype. (And fyi, I didn't buy into that hype at all!) But now I do see a time that is pretty much a clear "appointed." (believe it or not, Trump is even in there!!) Its a time to get His people ready, and a breathing space that many Christians will take as "peace and safety!" While His true people get to work, and this is in about 5 parables Jesus told .... and in prophesies from Genesis to Revelations! I mean amazing!! And from what I see it was NOT on the 2000 year anniversary of His birth, which was year 2000, (actually year 1996, because historians realized AD and BC are actually off by 4 years - imagine that, God may have purposely allowed this to provide a "delay" - as is mentioned many times throughout parables - "while the master delayed" or "Bridegroom delayed" "No man knows hour or day" as Jesus said! - But He pain stakingly did say when we see times and seasons we will KNOW! In other words in Matt 24 He literally giving instructions! Detailing things, where to look, and telling us as time gets near there are appointed times and signs and seasons to understand in the Bible that correlate to what we see in history and current events. Because the times are literally in there. And as time gets closer ... He is revealing .... and even says "revealing" things would be done at appointed time! 6000 years from Jesus' Death and Resurrection, is the TIME! Not on the day or hour, but in that time period. We are in the end of day 6! Every 1000 years is a day! It's a scripture starement in Peter and also in Psalms! And if your read Ecclesiastical A time foe everything chapter, it shows appointed times, along with its object lesson. Each 1000 years is a time keeper of events ... from putting Cain and Abel in, to replacing Abel with Seth to the births of Isaac and Ishmael into the world and into the timeline, to prophesying every single thing! So one thing I see is, the 2000 year anniversary of the 1st Resurrection which is 2029 to 2033 is the approximate date (its a marker, could be before or after, but its around this marker in the prophesy timeline) declaring the final acts of this world, and the fulfilling of the prophesies of the "2nd Resurection" (So it makes sense that if the last act is like the 1st act which is related in every way, to be a like time of final fulfillment on the Millenials (each 1000 years!) When he comes with a trumpet raises the dead and transforms the saints living into glorified bodies for the 7th day - 1000 year Millenials reign!! And it's spelled out! Hidden being revealed now! Babylon is US. And the kings in Daniel are stages of Us growth to destruction! It correlated to Ezekiel and Revelations and Matt 24 and every where else as threads to see times and purposes! Ear to hear, eyes to see will be blessed ... everyone else is blinded because its a riddle! Side: its stupid
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Please read, if God shows you, we'll be blessed! Scoffer will scoff, but those who are His will get it! Ive read the entire bible cover to cover. I dont believe a word of it When God made the world in Genesis, He ALSO established an "appointed time" for every act of prophesy that day from the beginning to end! You have yet to prove that he made the world in genesis. Why should i believe that part of the bible is true? Why should i believe these prophecies are true? Youve given me no reason to. On what authority should i accept these claims? The bibles authority? Why does the bible have authority? The Bible is so amazing, but without the Spirit of God in us it's an unknown wacky Book, with nice object lessons, but a book of riddles! That is total gibberish. Prove the spirit of god exists. Also, if all your god leaves as evidence of his existence is a book of riddles that can only be interpreted if you posess this magical power of the spirit of god BEFORE reading it then your god is an idiot. How the hell can he possibly expect anyone to believe the bible? Why even make the bible in the first place if you need the spirit of god to interpret it? Why not just give people the spirit of god and have that be the proof? Your god makes absolutely no sense. But with the Spirit of God in us and showing us, Man! It opens up eternity, like your swimming in a deepest crystal clear river, with Living Waters rushing through every appointed time, with every wisdom ever known, with the sounds of Eternity echoing throughout the deepest cavern declaring the glory and power of God that He wove into a Book His people could hold in their hands! Sure it is. Prove that the spirit of god exists. Everyday of creation is a 1000 years of time till He establishes His Kingdom and ushers in His 7th day "rest" as His 1000 year reign, while He establishes New Jerusalem. Many christians would disagree with you. Many christians say the days in genesis are literal 24 hour days. Some say that they are periods of time that we cant even fathom because theyre so long. On what evidence do you say theyre 1000 year periods? Do the christians who disagree with you not have the spirit of god with them? Are their interpretations wrong? It's the time period of letting the earth sit for its day of rest, while His children also rest for 1000 years, before finally bringing His final Kingdom to earth "The New Jerusalem" in Revelations 21. God say "at the appointed time" over and over and over again, such as in when fulfilled promise to Abraham and Sarah "when" conceived Isaac "at the appointed time" then there is the story to us ... when Abraham was "100 years old" He fathered Isaac ... and "86" When "Ishmael" was born. Here is a very important prophesy given to Ishmael's "Egyptian" mom " "Sarai treated her harshly, and she fled from her presence. 7 Now the angel of the Lord found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” 10 Moreover, the angel of the Lord said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.” 11 The angel of the Lord said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction. 12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him, And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” Does this sound like anything to you??? Blah blah blah blah words! Prophecy! Magic! Hebrew stuff! How is this evidence? This is the claim dude. I ask for evidence of these prophecies and you cite the prophecy. That isnt evidence. This is just words in a book. WHY is any of this true? On what evidence do you claim these things really happened? Umm yeah, it's a prophesy that grows, and is part of Israel's history up till end time prophesies fulfilled in final days. Now this is a prophesy showing Israel's enemies, and every nation's part in it! How telling! The only thing that is telling is how duped into believing this stuff you are. You just believe all this stuff at face value with nothing to back it up aside from how much you want it to be true. Well these specific events and time periods are time setters designed by God "in completeion" of all His work! And every detail we need to guide us is literally in the Bible everywhere, in everything, every story, every parable!!! Even in geneologies, what I've seen in Genesis from Adam to Noah and through Cain's geneology is end times mindblowong! Along with many other things that I've seen in Genesis. Ok then cite why its mindblowing. Because its all just ancient myths and nonsense to me. Same with any other religion that has prophecies and myths and genologies. How is the bible different than any other religion's myths? ---------- Jesus was not ever coming on the "2000 year Millenial" like many thought whit hype of computers shutting down etc ... if you remember that hype. (And fyi, I didn't buy into that hype at all!) But now I do see a time that is pretty much a clear "appointed." (believe it or not, Trump is even in there!!) LMAO trump is in there. What a joke. Yeah and kim kardashian is in there too if you interpret what it says loosely enough. Youre just taking vague prophetic nonsense and taking reality and just meshing them together. The bible says some vague shit like "there will be a man who claims himself to be god who will bring about 1000 years of doom!" and you see trump and say "well the bible obviously predicted his coming!". No it didnt. The bible just made super vague prophecies that could be interpreted to mean anything at any period in human history. Thats why every group of christians since the dawn of christianity have insisted that theyre living in the end times. Because the end times prophecies could apply to literally any period of time. "There will be wars" thats literally one of the revelations prophecies. Can you tell me any period in human history where there has been no wars? Thats such an easy prophecy to make. Ill make it right now, "so sayeth Avesatanas on August 3rd of the year 2016. In the end times THERE WILL BE WARS!" Pull this page up in 200 years and see if i was right. I bet you 100$ i am. Its a time to get His people ready, and a breathing space that many Christians will take as "peace and safety!" While His true people get to work, and this is in about 5 parables Jesus told .... and in prophesies from Genesis to Revelations! I mean amazing!! Not really. Its just amazing to the people who believe it. And from what I see it was NOT on the 2000 year anniversary of His birth, which was year 2000, (actually year 1996, because historians realized AD and BC are actually off by 4 years AD And BC are off by far more than that. We dont even know what year it is at all because the gap between when human culture started and when written record keeping started is so large. And how do you even know when jesus was born? Do you have absolute proof of that? No you have what the bible says was when he was born. Why should we accept that date as true? Why should we accept the bible when it says jesus existed at all? - imagine that, God may have purposely allowed this to provide a "delay" - as is mentioned many times throughout parables - "while the master delayed" or "Bridegroom delayed" "No man knows hour or day" as Jesus said! - But He pain stakingly did say when we see times and seasons we will KNOW! In other words in Matt 24 He literally giving instructions! Detailing things, where to look, and telling us as time gets near there are appointed times and signs and seasons to understand in the Bible that correlate to what we see in history and current events. Because the times are literally in there. And as time gets closer ... He is revealing .... and even says "revealing" things would be done at appointed time! 6000 years from Jesus' Death and Resurrection, is the TIME! Not on the day or hour, but in that time period. We are in the end of day 6! Every 1000 years is a day! And people who lived 200 years ago also believed they were in the end times. And people far after were dead will believe theyre in the end times. Reality is, there are no end times. Your religion is just myths and nonsense dressed up to seem real It's a scripture starement in Peter and also in Psalms! And if your read Ecclesiastical A time foe everything chapter, it shows appointed times, along with its object lesson. Each 1000 years is a time keeper of events ... from putting Cain and Abel in, to replacing Abel with Seth to the births of Isaac and Ishmael into the world and into the timeline, to prophesying every single thing! So one thing I see is, the 2000 year anniversary of the 1st Resurrection which is 2029 to 2033 is the approximate date (its a marker, could be before or after, but its around this marker in the prophesy timeline) declaring the final acts of this world, and the fulfilling of the prophesies of the "2nd Resurection" (So it makes sense that if the last act is like the 1st act which is related in every way, to be a like time of final fulfillment on the Millenials (each 1000 years!) When he comes with a trumpet raises the dead and transforms the saints living into glorified bodies for the 7th day - 1000 year Millenials reign!! And it's spelled out! Hidden being revealed now! Babylon is US. Babylon is US....said the Ottomans Babylon is US....said the greeks Babylon is US....said the french And the truth is nobody is babylon. Its all myths. Its all nonsense And the kings in Daniel are stages of Us growth to destruction! It correlated to Ezekiel and Revelations and Matt 24 and every where else as threads to see times and purposes! Ear to hear, eyes to see will be blessed ... everyone else is blinded because its a riddle! Well then your god is an asshole. He creates a book to WARN us about the end times...but makes it full of riddles so 99% of the population cant figure it out. What a dick. And not only that but YOU of all people are one of the few who has it AAAAALLL figured out. You cracked the code. Mhmm..sure you did. And the people who run Iran think theyre the annointed ones who Allah chose. And the great buddhist monks think theyre the ones that the buddha chose. The veracity of the believer is no evidence that the beliefs are true. Youve provided no evidence for anything you believe. You just keep citing bible verses and say "amazing! Miraculous! Wowzers!". It aint wowzers to me its mythological nonsense that remains unproven to me. Side: Its not
It's good you read it cover to cover. What made you do that? What did you like? and what didn't you like? Yea, it matters, you just don't see that yet.Maybe you will, maybe you won't. I think the Bible proves itself. Either those people were tripping, or they were seeing bits and pieces of God! And if there's a God that has all that going on wouldn't you want it to matter? Side: its stupid
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I read it several times. Once back when i was protestant i read it between ages 12-16 in a bible study group. Though we skipped some geneology parts and other non-essentials. Ive read it again not cover to cover because i often need to cite passages when im talking to people or arguing about it. Other than that ive been watching a series on youtube where they read through and commentate on the bible chapter by chapter which is good. What did i like? Well its a well-written book for its time. Some of the stories are interesting to read. Obviously the big ones come to mind like the flood and genesis and the tower of babel and all that. And mostly in the new testament theres some really good one-liners. Some good philosophy in there and good moral lessons like turn the other cheek. Lots of stuff about appealing to the poor and needy and abstaining from richness and luxuries. What i didnt like is how inept the characters are. God himself is cast as this buffoonish authoritarian. Like a toddler who was put in charge of the entire preschool class. Every problem he has to deal with he himself created. Its like watching someone smash their own house down and then complain about how they have to rebuild it from scratch. Except the person has magic powers and could just poof another house any time he wanted but for some reason acts as if he cant. He creates arbitrary rules that his followers must live by. Even sillier he creates rules for himself that he doesnt have to live by yet chooses not to break them, yet creates rules for his followers that he breaks nonstop. He often has ridiculous requests and his solutions to his own problems are as absurd as the problems that he made for himself. For instance, He decides what qualifies as sin. Then he makes a species of animals that have a capacity for sinning, the exact thing he hates. Then he makes a tree that these humans are NOT allowed to eat from....and thats it. He creates it for literally no reason other than to give them a chance to fuck it up. And he KNOWS they will fuck it up because he is omniscient and knows everything before it will happen. So knowing all that he makes the tree anyways and makes a snake that purposefully talks Eve into sinning. Then after all these characters do exactly what god set them up to do he gets mad and punishes them. But he doesnt just punish them, he punishes their kids, and their kids kids, and their kids kids kids kids, and by default every single human on earth is stained with sin. And as an aside thats just a ridiculous concept. Because some people 2000 years ago ate an apple now i deserve to be tortured forever? How is that fair? In what world does that qualify as justice? Thats another thing that pissed me off reading it. God's concept of morals and justice is totally ass backwards. but i digress Now that all humanity is stained with sin, the one thing god hates but has full control over. He could just forgive them with no effort at all. He could snap his finger, boom sin is gone. Does he do that? No of course not. Because he created some arbitrary rule that sins must be punished and paid for in blood or some shit. Doesnt have to be that way but he CHOOSES to make it that way for no reason. So what does he do? He impregnates a virgin in a geographical area that has VERY low literacy rates so nobody can record any of this properly. Unlike Asia which at the time had a very good record keeping system. That virgin gives birth to god in person. Then he sacrifices himself to himself to pay for everyones sins. BUT, it didnt really pay for everyones sins because you have to believe all of this at face value from a 2000 year old book otherwise you dont get the free ticket to heaven and must be tortured for what the first humans ever did in a magic garden. I mean the whole of it is patently ABSURD. Nothing god does makes any sense at all. Hes a malevolent manchild who makes horrible judgement calls at every turn and then refuses to use his omnipotence to make anything easier for his followers. He demands constant worship and praise which is extremely petty. Hell, the first comandment is not to say the dudes name with a shitty attitude. Everything about this god character just reeks of human pettyness and over-emotional reactionism. How anyone could believe a being with such human emotions and stupid actions could really be god is beyond me. The bible proves itself? Nothing proves itself. Let alone a book filled with this much absurdities. Either those people were tripping or they saw bits and pieces of god Lets examine this. First off, i dont think its either. I think these are the stories and beliefs of an ancient people. They didnt understand the world around them so they made up stories to explain them. They needed ways to teach people the rules of their culture and get them to follow them. Its much easier to keep people in line when they think the rules come from the guy who makes lightning flash and thunder boom than it is just to tell them to follow the rules. These stories were a way to convey their beliefs, culture, and rules to future generations. And it worked for that purpose. But even if we accept the dichotomy you proposed. Which do you really think is more likely? Is it more likely that, yes, a bunch of sheep herders ate some bad wheat and started tripping balls and wrote it down? Or that a god actually exists and used this book as his "perfect" method of conveying morals and history? They both require assumptions. But one only requires us to assume humans are capable of hallucinating which we know for a fact happens. The other requires us to assume a being exists outside of space and time that divinely inspired this book and everything in it. Im not willing to make such a crazy assumption as that based on nothing more than an ancient tome. If there is a god yes i would want to know it exists. If there was a god yes i would want to follow his rules. And maybe i do want a god to actually exist. But what i want has no effect on what is real. And if there is a god im damn near positive that christianity hasnt found him. A god would be FAR more complex than the petty being that exists in the bible. Side: its stupid
What i didnt like is how inept the characters are. God himself is cast as this buffoonish authoritarian. Like a toddler who was put in charge of the entire preschool class. Every problem he has to deal with he himself created. Its like watching someone smash their own house down and then complain about how they have to rebuild it from scratch. Except the person has magic powers and could just poof another house any time he wanted but for some reason acts as if he cant. He creates arbitrary rules that his followers must live by. He's actually not buffoonish at all, He is creating Eternity as a gift to give to a gazillion of His children. Genesis is communication to all this. Setting up timelines an everything to its end. He gave everyone free will. Through it all He is rewarding His Work Himself with the joy of a full house and the ones who loved Light, and does this huge elaborate work of 6000 years of details, to do this tranformation and have a gazilion children to share all His riches, every detail managed and appointed including the Cross and Resurrection. The earth was already dark, void formless, maybe from when Satan fell. So darkness existed as a choice. And darkness overcomes light
John 5 16 For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” We can't mix things, so all that crazy stuff in Levitticus is instruction to God's children so they can stand when He comes! It's God protecting us from becoming something that CAN'T possibly STAND when He appears!! We have to be washed clean by the innocent bloodshed that took our judgement, then we need to be transformed into light and into brighter light as everyone else is going dark to dark to darkened and even more dark. And its flood of wrath being poured out . Darkness has to go and pass away. When Jesus comes because no darkness can remain in His Kingdom. You know all things God says can't mix - lots of things He uses to show us which is a darkness that can't stand so we can choose light and stand. Light / Darkness Wine Skins Clothes etc... All these, when studied are separating sheep from goats, children of God from children of Satan Etc. All of it God says for good reason, to guide us so we CAN stand! And so we do NOT shrink back condemned by our consciences! You may say why doesn't He create some other dynamics. Who's to say another dynamic wouldn't change the result. He can't change Himself. And if He is pure Light, then no matter what God does Darkness is an impurity to Light, And darkness burns away. Light has to remove darkness. Even sillier he creates rules for himself that he doesnt have to live by yet chooses not to break them, yet creates rules for his followers that he breaks nonstop. He often has ridiculous requests and his solutions to his own problems are as absurd as the problems that he made for himself. For instance, He decides what qualifies as sin. If the heart chooses to live in darkness, it won't stand in Eternal Life. It's just simply not possible. So there are no arbitrary rules. One is seed of darkness the other is seed of light. These seeds produce their own fruits. Bad fruit can't remain. Satan is the god of this world, God already judged him, any fruit from his seed is already judged because it's the seed of darkness bearing judged fruit of deeds only found in darkness. I think sin is just sin, I don't think He decides what it is. It just is and it is not light. When He visits He does things like comes in a cloud, turn so you only see His back no one can see him and live. God isn't having a temper tantrum, He is instructing us on how to stand and remain! He is light. Those are deeds of darkness. Sin is just seeds of darkness taking root and growing, it takes its own ugly form. God didnt create sin. And I don't think He created darkness either. Darkness just coexists, and when Satan fell into the darkness his light went out. Darkness overcame him. Sin is the the fruit from a seed born in darkness. Then he makes a species of animals that have a capacity for sinning, the exact thing he hates. Then he makes a tree that these humans are NOT allowed to eat from....and thats it. He creates it for literally no reason other than to give them a chance to fuck it up. It's bitter to find yourself on the wrong side of the only definate choice. It feels like a stacked deck that was dealt. But you have a choice to be on the other side, you just have to be willing to leave darkness behind. . It's like leaping and counting the cost, and if the cost is to high its because the idols and whatever we love clouds our vision, but don't blame God He orchestrated this whole thing to share all with you, but darkness And he KNOWS they will fuck it up because he is omniscient and knows everything before it will happen. So knowing all that he makes the tree anyways and makes a snake that purposefully talks Eve into sinning. Then after all these characters do exactly what god set them up to do he gets mad and punishes them. But he doesnt just punish them, he punishes their kids, and their kids kids, and their kids kids kids kids, and by default every single human on earth is stained with sin. There's a scripture that says He no longer will hold sin against the next generations. When God set the timeline he did add all the hosts. Generations where important to establishing everyone throughout prophesy. When God made the world some things "He saw and said they were good" and some things He said, it was so" 9 Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. 13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day. . Side: its stupid
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He's actually not buffoonish at all, He is creating Eternity as a gift to give to a gazillion of His children. He creates a plant for his favorite children (humans). This planet is 70% water which humans cant live in. Of that 70% 90% of it is salt water which we cannot drink. Aside from that he creates two arctic poles and areas of desert on portions of the land which are uninhabitable to humans without serious equipment. So we can live comfortably on about 10% of this planet. Then you factor in diseases (some of which only infect humans) and other huge predators like lions and bears which could slaughter us easily. And this is somehow a gift to his children? I mean im not saying this to be ungrateful. This planet is a wonderful, beautiful place. But perfect for human life? Catered to human life? Hardly. Not even close. And if were gonna talk about eternity and outer space. 99% of the universe is empty vaccum of space. Where humans cannot inhabit. So 99% of the universe is uninhabitable to us and 90% of our planet is uninhabitable to us. Yes, he is buffoonish. Genesis is communication to all this. Setting up timelines an everything to its end. In genesis he creates plants before he creates sunlight. How can plants photosynthesize without sun? These plants would be on a frozen earth and would die instantly. The order he does things makes absolutely no sense. He gave everyone free will. Free will is an illusion if god is omniscient. If god knows everything that will happen in my lifetime before he creates me, then logically he puts my entire life into motion. Every time i wake up, everything i eat, everything i do, everything i think has been pre-planned. It must be if god is all knowing. Did adam and eve have free will? Not really. God created them, and in that instant that he created them he knew everything they would do. He also knew what would happen when he created the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Yet he creates it anyways. He also knew satan would rebel when he created him, yet he created him anyways. You attributed to god full powers over everything. An all powerful god has full control over everything his creation does. Therefore whatever his creation does we can conclude the he must intend for that to happen. Otherwise he wouldnt have created such people. Through it all He is rewarding His Work Himself with the joy of a full house and the ones who loved Light, and does this huge elaborate work of 6000 years of details, to do this tranformation and have a gazilion children to share all His riches, every detail managed and appointed including the Cross and Resurrection. And if he wanted that then he could snap his fingers and it could be so. He spoke the entire universe into existence on a whim. He says it and it becomes reality. So he could snap his fingers and sin is gone. He snaps his fingers and all is forgiven. He snaps his fingers and we all go to heaven. He snaps his fingers and there is no death. But he doesnt. Instead he impregnates a virgin to sacrifice himself to himself and then you have to believe in that doctrine to get to heaven. if you dont then too bad. Its such a convoluted and absurd plan for a god that has the power to snap his fingers and do anything. The earth was already dark, void formless, maybe from when Satan fell. So darkness existed as a choice. And darkness overcomes light God chose to make satan. Therefore he chose to allow whatever satan does to happen. Therefore he intended darkness to overcome the earth. You cant have an all knowing, all powerful god that also doesnt share any blame for what his creation does. John 5 16 For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” Why is not working on sunday a rule? Did god not know what our civilization would be like in 2016? Everyone works on sundays nowadays. The sabbath is utterly null and void now. We can't mix things, so all that crazy stuff in Levitticus is instruction to God's children so they can stand when He comes! It's God protecting us from becoming something that CAN'T possibly STAND when He appears!! We have to be washed clean by the innocent bloodshed that took our judgement, then we need to be transformed into light and into brighter light as everyone else is going dark to dark to darkened and even more dark. And its flood of wrath being poured out . Ok. Then god snaps his fingers and it is so. But instead of doing that he creates this convoluted process that requires you to somehow persuade me to believe in him before he will do it. He creates this absurd symbolic blood sacrifice doctrine to attone for things he caused to happen in the first place. He creates a problem then creates a wholly ridiculous solution to his own problem instead of just willing the problem away entirely. Darkness has to go and pass away. When Jesus comes because no darkness can remain in His Kingdom. Ok, then god snaps his fingers once, darkness is gone. God snaps them again, boom jesus appears on earth. This could happen in 2 seconds. But god has to wait thousands of years? God has to let us petty, stupid humans figure it out ourselves? Why? You know all things God says can't mix - lots of things He uses to show us which is a darkness that can't stand so we can choose light and stand. What does darnkess and light even mean? This is sounding more and more like harry potter. Light / Darkness Wine Skins Clothes etc... All these, when studied are separating sheep from goats, children of God from children of Satan Etc. All of it God says for good reason, to guide us so we CAN stand! And so we do NOT shrink back condemned by our consciences! You may say why doesn't He create some other dynamics. Who's to say another dynamic wouldn't change the result. God can do ANYTHING. So god can create a dynamic in which none of this is necessary. He can create a dynamic in which everything works out perfectly. He apparently chooses to NOT do that. He can't change Himself. And if He is pure Light, then no matter what God does Darkness is an impurity to Light, And darkness burns away. Light has to remove darkness. snap darkness is gone. If the heart chooses to live in darkness, it won't stand in Eternal Life. It's just simply not possible. So there are no arbitrary rules. Hearts dont believe things they pump blood. Brains believe things. He could snap his fingers and prove his existence to everyone. He could snap his fingers and a bible appears in every household on earth. That would at least GREATLY speed up this process. But hes elected to let things progress PAINFULLY slow, in fact hes allowed things to digress backwards because belief in christianity and religion in general is dying out. Atheism is the fastest growing religious label people are professing. So shouldnt god be in full panic mode and trying to fix it? He seems utterly uninterested. One is seed of darkness the other is seed of light. These seeds produce their own fruits. Bad fruit can't remain. Satan is the god of this world, God already judged him, any fruit from his seed is already judged because it's the seed of darkness bearing judged fruit of deeds only found in darkness. Why did god make him in the first place? Its like god was building a house of cards. Then he decides to build a big fan and the fan blows down the house of cards. Then he gets mad and tells the house of cards to rebuild itself. The fuck? Why make the fan in the first place?!!? I think sin is just sin, I don't think He decides what it is. Some things are sin. Some things are not. Something must have decided which thing qualify as sin and which dont. That logically in your theology must be god. It just is and it is not light. When He visits He does things like comes in a cloud, turn so you only see His back no one can see him and live. He could create a form for himself that wouldnt kill people when they see him. Or he could use his godly powers to prevent people from dying when they see him. See what i mean when im saying god makes rules for himself that make no sense? You believe in a god that is wholly powerful. He has ALL power. Nothing happens without his intent. Nothing happens without his knowledge. Yet hes somehow bound by arbitrary rules like, "he cant exist in darkness" and "he cant appear to people or they will die". Yet those rules must only exist because he established them. And if he established them he can repeal them. That last rule seems more like a loophole to me. Its like someone asked "hey preacher, how come god doesnt just show himself to everyone? then we would all believe" and the pastor responds with "uhhhhh....you cant see him because uhhh youll die if you look right at him". It seems like a total cop out to the very legitimate question of why doesnt god just prove his existence to everyone? God isn't having a temper tantrum, He is instructing us on how to stand and remain! There is a quote in the bible, i can find it if you want, but god says verbatim that he is an angry and jealous god. He is light. Those are deeds of darkness. Sin is just seeds of darkness taking root and growing, it takes its own ugly form. God didnt create sin. Yes he did. You cant have a god that is responsible for creating all of reality but somehow not responsible for something that exists in that reality. If sin exists god established what it is. And I don't think He created darkness either. Darkness just coexists, and when Satan fell into the darkness his light went out. Darkness overcame him. Sin is the the fruit from a seed born in darkness. If darkness exists and satan exists then god created them and intended for them to exist. It's bitter to find yourself on the wrong side of the only definate choice. It feels like a stacked deck that was dealt. But you have a choice to be on the other side, you just have to be willing to leave darkness behind. . It's like leaping and counting the cost, and if the cost is to high its because the idols and whatever we love clouds our vision, but don't blame God He orchestrated this whole thing to share all with you, but darkness He created me with a brain that he knew would reject the gospel as untrue. He created sin and darkness knowing full well that people would fall into it. Really dont see where im at any fault here. There's a scripture that says He no longer will hold sin against the next generations. When God set the timeline he did add all the hosts. Generations where important to establishing everyone throughout prophesy. When God made the world some things "He saw and said they were good" and some things He said, it was so" 9 Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. 13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day. Cool. Why should i believe any of it is true? Side: its stupid
1st of all I referenced personal interactions and richness of bonds, as the gift of this life. The beauty of Creation with its Sea sides and Mountains and Landscapes. A gift. So compare gifts We both have this gift of a life here. You get to live as part of the world and be as dark as you want to And I get to live as part of the world but not of the world We both had the gift of a whole life. Then since you chose to be a part of this world's darkness you are judged to only have the 1 life that you lived. Whatever you made of it. God didnt create disease, and murders, and hate these things grew in the darkness of the world that you love. They are not God's seed, they are seeds of darkness. So then I go to judgement and He gives me Eternal Life because I didn't let the world's darkness take me, and I loved Light and I went the way of Jesus. Isn't that fair? Side: its stupid
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1st of all I referenced personal interactions and richness of bonds, as the gift of this life. The beauty of Creation with its Sea sides and Mountains and Landscapes. A gift. So compare gifts We both have this gift of a life here. You get to live as part of the world and be as dark as you want to And I get to live as part of the world but not of the world Thats not possible. How are you part of the world but not of the world? Youre just as much a part of the world as i am. We both had the gift of a whole life. Then since you chose to be a part of this world's darkness you are judged to only have the 1 life that you lived. Whatever you made of it. I didnt choose anything. My mind became convinced that there is probably no god and religions in general are based on myth and untruth. I didnt just flip a switch in my mind and turned off belief in god. I merely used my mind to look at all the evidence before me and concluded that it wasnt enough to convince me that theres a god. It was a totally unconscious process, not an intentional one. When i set out to figure out what i believed when i was 16 or so i didnt do it with the intention of being an atheist. Thats just where i ended up. God didnt create disease, and murders, and hate these things grew in the darkness of the world that you love. They are not God's seed, they are seeds of darkness. No he absolutely did. If god exists he created all that exists. Diseases exist, therefore god created them. It is a necessary trait of an omnipotent god that whatever begins to exist through his creation is created of his will. Once again, you cant have a god that is all powerful and responsible for everything yet not responsible for certain things. So then I go to judgement and He gives me Eternal Life because I didn't let the world's darkness take me, and I loved Light and I went the way of Jesus. Isn't that fair? No. He has failed to provide me with ample proof of his existence. Im merely using the brain he gave me to conclude he probably doesnt exist. Its on him to prove himself to me because the bible is a pretty sorry excuse for evidence. Its also horribly unfair that you get eternal life and i get eternal torture for....what? For what crime? "being taken in by darkness" aka: not believing in god. Im not a murderer or a rapist. im an eagle scout and a good person. i do community service and help others often. I live for my family and friends and want to make a positive change in the world. BUT just because i dont believe in god and just because i dont think that homosexuality is immoral and just because i think its silly to abstain from working on sundays that makes hell an appropriate and just punishment for my very finite crimes? Hardly. Side: its stupid
Where your heart is there is where your treasure is. Lust of the Eyes, Lust of the Flesh, and the Boastful pride of life, Live using the world as though at a moment you can leave it behind. And be on guard not to let darkness put out your light. It's not a popular message, but truth isn't popular. Even many churches are afraid of truth. You can't explain away what He says, and you can't fit God into your life or your world. When He says "I am the Way" and when He says if anyone wants to follow Him, There is only one way to follow Him. That's probably why you never experienced God in your life. Alot of churches explain away the direction God leads. Most people have no idea of what it means to be a Christian. Point blank, God doesn't change! His Word doesn't change. His way doesn't change. And if you just take the Word as it is written, you find God speaks, and leads, and He is still the same as He always was. 1 John 2 15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever. 18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. Side: its stupid
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Ok youre not understanding. There was once nothing, except god. Just god, alone, nothing else. No darkness, no light, no earth, no nothing. Darkness and sin did not used to exist. Now they do. Everything was created by god. Therefore what didnt exist before that exists now must be a creation of god because god created literally everything. If something exists then god MUST have created it or created the things that led to its creation. Even if darkness was created by humans, god created humans and knew in advance that they would in turn create darkness. Because god still chose to create humans then he chose to create them knowing they would create darkness. Therefore at the VERY LEAST he condoned the creation of darkness. Side: its stupid
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So He shouldn't have made us because darkness exists? We still have children, despite the world. Even though we see in front of us some horrible things, risks, heartache, sickness, pain. When we have children, we sre thinking than why do you subject bringing in children. When we have children we are thinking of the love we'll share, and ice cream cones at the park, knowing we'll have nights up pacing, from calming them at 3 months old to pay ingredients because they didn't get home yet. But it's a gift. So why do you hate life He gave. Darkness exists And you know, when you live for I him. He fills your life with joyful. Side: its stupid
We will take some time concepts from the now generation. If God exists and knows all, should He have deleted people from the time line just because He knew ahead what they would bring to the timeline. And how do you know ahead and alter the time line, then what does that do to the others in the timeline? And since every alteration has exponential effects where do you draw the line and what standard of line would you like to draw. Choice exists or free will doesn't. Light exists therefore darkness existed So if God took out the eldest in a family, might those similar traits be in the 2nd child who now becomes the eldest. What if a criminal today was in a place where because they existed, someone else was rejected in that friend group that spiraled out of control. Then the possibility that the one rejected could have went a different direction. And if you know what's going to happen and you change it then aren't you making the choices instead of free will making the choices. God set purpose in the timeline. So there is a purpose and an end goal. He is giving a gazilion children Eternal Life with all the gifts and riches and joy that is in that place with The Father and The Son. Should He alter that, because you hate light and choose darkness? Side: its stupid
I love it an Atheist is telling me the Bible, that's cool, God can give you more light in a day then me in a lifetime. Turn to Him and He will show you Himself. I think He is calling to you. He reveals and sometimes we can understand something, then He gives understanding to another, and as ONE body with Christ as the Head and the Spirit leading 2 pieces make 1. 1 Corinthians 12 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way. Side: its stupid
Isaiah 45 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7 The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. Forming Light He creates darkness. Because Light is, darkness is. He creates a boundary, light forms, darkness is pushed to its boundary. But there is no darkness or evil in Him. But He knows both good and evil, right? Side: its stupid
Isaiah 45 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7 The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these.
^^^^ Forming Light He creates darkness. Because Light is, darkness is. He creates a boundary, light forms, darkness is pushed to its boundary. But there is no darkness or evil in Him. But He knows both good and evil, right? Side: its stupid
John 8 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.” 39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus *said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. 40 But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; 55 and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple. Side: its stupid
Check out @KNHAV1's Tweet: https://twitter.com/KNHAV1/status/ Some things God let grow and said it was so Some things God and He saw it was good! Side: its stupid
And as an aside thats just a ridiculous concept. Because some people 2000 years ago ate an apple now i deserve to be tortured forever? How is that fair? In what world does that qualify as justice? Thats another thing that pissed me off reading it. God's concept of morals and justice is totally ass backwards. but i digress Now that all humanity is stained with sin, the one thing god hates but has full control over. He could just forgive them with no effort at all. He could snap his finger, boom sin is gone. Does he do that? No of course not. Because he created some arbitrary rule that sins must be punished and paid for in blood or some shit. Doesnt have to be that way but he CHOOSES to make it that way for no reason. So what does he do? He impregnates a virgin in a geographical area that has VERY low literacy rates so nobody can record any of this properly. Unlike Asia which at the time had a very good record keeping system. That virgin gives birth to god in person. Then he sacrifices himself to himself to pay for everyones sins. BUT, it didnt really pay for everyones sins because you have to believe all of this at face value from a 2000 year old book otherwise you dont get the free ticket to heaven and must be tortured for what the first humans ever did in a magic garden. You exist, and are given a life to live according to how you want to live, to form bonds, and memories, and live life as you see fit. That's a gift, not a curse. The question is do you want to be swallowed up in darkness in the end. As far as eternal torment Saintnow will have me executed a heretic, but I think it ends. I think there is a resurection to judgement . All will be consumed and there will be tormenting destruction. And people will mourn the choice, when they see Him, and then will slip into black empiness. I can't really tell you what will happen there. I'm pretty sure what we think we know and what it is are actually not the same thing. But I don't think you can get saved by fearing Hell. I think you have to love something about the character of God to want to follow. But the character you painted is far from accurate.
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You exist, and are given a life to live according to how you want to live, to form bonds, and memories, and live life as you see fit. That's a gift, not a curse. The question is do you want to be swallowed up in darkness in the end. As far as eternal torment Saintnow will have me executed a heretic, but I think it ends. I dont think this darkness exists. Nor do i see reason to avoid it. Nor do i believe your religion has any basis in reality. I think there is a resurection to judgement . All will be consumed and there will be tormenting destruction. And people will mourn the choice, when they see Him, and then will slip into black empiness. I can't really tell you what will happen there. I'm pretty sure what we think we know and what it is are actually not the same thing. But I don't think you can get saved by fearing Hell. I think you have to love something about the character of God to want to follow. But the character you painted is far from accurate. The character i painted is far from accurate? In the same paragraph where you say there will be judgement and tormenting destruction. What god would do such a thing? What god would rain down hell upon his creation for having sex with the wrong gender? For working on sunday? For saying his name with a cuss word in it? For not believing in him? God's concept of justice is horribly flawed. So flawed that any judge in our current justice system would think its a joke. Humans are finite beings. We have finite lifespans. Therefore any pain we cause or harm we do must be finite too. We cannot cause infinite harm no matter how hard we try. So we can only sin finitely. Yet gods response to this sin is infinite hell. In our justice system the punishment we dole out must fit the crime equally. 10 years in prison for petty theft is not fair. Just as 2 months probation for murder is not fair. So how is infinite punishment for finite crimes fair? How does that rehabilitate people? How does that show people the error of their ways? It doesnt. Its just senseless torture. A blanket punishment for billions of crimes of various severity. That is not justice. Side: its stupid
When Jesus took on humanity as fully the Nature of God and fully the nature of man, He overcame all things in every way, mastering His human nature making it in complete subjection to the Nature of God. God came down as the Son, to be the 1st of many to bring forth children of God, and of the Nature of God. So Jesus, "the Son of man, and the Son of God, went before us and ripped out all the thorns and thistles that were in the way, making the "narrow way" which us the ONLY WAY, the straight - not crooked path, to transform us, and transfer us, from our human nature through His cleared path to all who believe on Him, and follow Him, so we can be "called children of God, and "partake in His Nature. Making us, mere children of flesh, to become children of God. So Jesus is the 1st of many brethern (or sisteren, lol) to walk through our nature into the nature of God! For us to pick up our cross and follow the path. He says it's a narrow road to Eternal Life, where as the road to sin and death is a highway. Jesus led a life leaving His position of God, to be made for a little while lower than the Angels. So God's the Son who is and always was the nature of the Father, humbled himself as a man like us, to overcome all things, to then be delivered in His innocence as the spotless lamb, the blood sacrifice once and for all, who became the innocent Lamb, cursed for us on a tree, on which our every judgement fell. Then raised from the dead, He overcome both sin, judgement, and death that we ourselves couldn't separate or sever in our own human nature, which it's struggles in toil with thorns and thistles, and our dust to dust death. To give us rest, The Holy Spirit imparted to all who are Born Again through this path, "The Way, The Truth, And The Life," that Jesus made for us. Side: its stupid
And all of it had to go down that way in order for God to tranformation humanity to His Nature. And its a gift to a gazillion people who will recieve the promise. It wouldn't be fair to not do it because others don't choose Him. That would be unfair. God is fair and just. That would be like saying if I don't get a tax return you don't get one. Even though you worked hard and paid in all year. And maybe I took the year off. Why should He call of our joy and Eternal life because others won't choose Him. Side: its stupid
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Prove jesus existed and was who he said he was. Otherwise this means nothing to me. Its like explaining the life of the Cat in the Hat. You can create a whole life, events, thoughts, feelings, purpose for a character but if you cant prove that character exists then its all just fiction. Side: its stupid
Ok listen to these and we will discuss. He was a committed atheist. Intellect and he was also an active opponent of faith. Similar to you, so it should relate some And He comes from an easy to watch, interesting CSI prespective, because he is a detective, and solves cold cases, and he approached scripture in that way. And the evidence itself convinced him. Even though he was a committed atheist. I posted 3 videos. This detective takes evidence of the gospels, was Jesus real and was He who He said He was. One looks at evidence in creation. The guy was an atheist, free thinker, and not interested in mythological superstitions and miracles and all the nonsense found in faith.
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https://www.youtube.com/ And this guy is an atheist who reads Cold Case Christianity chapter by chapter and deconstructs every argument. Basically heres my stance, I dont believe this guy when he says he was an atheist. I simply dont. Because its such an easy claim to make and near impossible to refute. So any christian can just claim they were formerly an atheist and nobody can really disprove that. And it seems all the more persuasive to his audience. I think its a device to seem more persuasive and nothing more though i cant prove he wasnt an atheist so its a moot point. But his "CSI" perspective and experience as a police officer doest not equip him in any way for, nor does it make him an authority on things like scripture, geology, philosophy, theology, and other fields of science besides forensics. Basically he talks up his experience as a detective as if thats supposed to make him an authority on all fields surrounding biblical debate. Side: its stupid
What do you see that makes you feel He is lieing? I think he looks honest to me. I'm pretty selective on who I listen to. I never liked the televangelist scene. I think I can see through things pretty well, I have always had a gift of discernment. That's probably why I'm aware of Deceptions around me. Many Christians were once atheists. This person still works in his field, and is obviously on the table as an author and speaker. I would think there would be many people who could and probably would come forward and destroy his reputation if he is profiting through lies, delusions, and illusions. And He doesn't look, or sound like a liar to me at all. So I think you may purposely be looking for any excuse you can to not listen and hear. There are other atheists that were very active in that thought, "freeing others" from "religion" who found God in their attempts to disprove God. But when going from Christian to atheism is a move that isnt challenging,. Its the difference between climbing a real mountain compared to jack and jill went up the hill and jack fell down! So people who have come from religion and then turned away, there is nothing impressive or convincing about that. So you couldn't stand so you fell, you didn't understand, so you fell, something else became your choice and you fell. It's not quite the same challenge as climbing a mountain and having vision that can see for miles!. 2 things about these 2 different groups in contrast. If you take a "free thinking" atheist, generally they are critical of faith and people of faith, and of God and of the Bible. Usually there is no way to convince them of anything they can't see, or that cant be shown through intellectual or scientific methods. So when an atheist investigates and actually become convinced through their own investigations that's impressive, because its obvious they werent looking to be convinced, they are looking to disprove through every avenue of scepticism they can apply! So when an atheist, especially of intelect becomes convinced they saw something that had to be convincing! And can probably show why they now believe with details that the "feelers of the faith" can't show easily. Like he says on the videos, he thought the faith silly because some Christians he knew were not skilled with the Word in a way that could show him anything convincing without dismissing his intellect. People are atheists for many reasons, and have many personalities. He heard something that appealed to him in a challenge. And it challenged his intellectual objections, and so he went and decided to use his skills and find the inconsistencies. I imagine he thought it would be easy with his skills to conclude what he thought as an atheist. When you go from a "Christian" to an atheist, there isn't the same degree of difficulty in order to be convinced. For the atheist to become a person of faith, especially an intellectual atheist is an incredible saying you have to reach this difficulty of "proof" to convince. But to go from a Christian to an atheist it's like ordering a latte at Starbucks, you just get in line order what you want and that's it. The seed of the Word didn't take root, or something takes you away and you just take whatever fits your views. There is no challenge to give up faith especially if something else is calling to you. Side: its stupid
You have yet to prove that he made the world in genesis. Why should i believe that part of the bible is true? Why should i believe these prophecies are true? Youve given me no reason to. On what authority should i accept these claims? The bibles authority? Why does the bible have authority? The prophesy fulfillment gives enough credibility in its self to establish the Bible to be a serious documenting that should be at least investigated with intent to verify truths as well as any facts that can't be proven yet. The Bible shows God using things in nature, and people, and Nations, and turning hears of kings, hardening hearts like Pharoah. Jesus Himself showed us these by example of how to understand and how to interpret His Word. There is a language to be understood, and a revealing that can only happen with His Spirit. And this is what it's like .... Did you ever write an email, or a post that was completely misunderstood, or even better taken the wrong way? ..... Communication with body language tone and facial expressions can be difficult, and we know written is even that much more difficult. We say things like that's what seems to be written, but that's not the spirit or intent. So God authored a book, He says is dead without the Spirit. And He says throughout that He has things hidden, Jesus takes it and says "I have spoken this way, because my voice isn't meant for everyone to hear, and you still think that it should be open to you, or its not true. So tell me, why should Jesus reveal Himself to you? Why should God show you anything? I think He has, but you've showed a trampling of pearls which Jesus says Don't give pearls to the swine, lest they turn and trample the pearls. He says go into a place tell them about Me, if they don't listen shake the dust from your feet, and go to the next place and tell them. So you have been given insight which you reject So why would He give you more insight? If you choose darkness, He doesn't force His Light into you. It's a principal we know well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. So I think it's much Grace and Mercy from God to give you as many insights and opportunities to know Him as He has already. He gave you free will, and you choose to filter light, and remain in darkness. Never coming to the knowledge of the truth, because you are held captive from it. And like most captives, your dependent and familiar with your captor, and He won't release you, and the Truth can Free you. So the only real defense in keeping you that your captor can weird, it to keep you from finding and seeing the truth, because truth are the keys to Hell Death and Darkness to set the captives free, so the puppet master isn't letting go. That's why Jesus said, you have to bind the strongman first. But He warned, if you bind the strongman and clean the house the Devils bring back seven more. So if you don't want to know truth, and truth wouldn't change the path you are on then it's best you stay on the highway, because the Narrow way is a road has a first aid kit if you stumble, it has geer to pull others back up that fall down but it's one direction - "remember Lots wife!" Side: its stupid
And there is NO way a random assembly in evolution would result in humans or any other nature in our world. Without a Creator with purpose and ability could accidentally have selected 1 creature out of all creatures that ever existed to excell in every advancement known to this modern day world. It like ... hitting the big 6 lotto everyday for years completely by a series of random accidents, and getting everything right, through every mutation to excell to the highest maximum advancements available in our complex world. And it is actually nonsense to believe evolution, without creative intelligence within evolution, had such creative well thought out results as a reult in the final outcomes of others complex beautifully appealing world, at random, and by accidental outcome through a crude process of assemblingselective elements and mutations to evolve creatures of such art and design, and specifically regarding humans, to have such complex unique qualities of conscience judgement and superior intelligence is unreasonable without purposefull design, and intentional creativity. If we assemble ingredients at random without a recipe from everything we can find laying around in the fridge, we can come up with a little skill we can take some things out and decently by intelligent design create an edible dish that may even look and taste appealing. But if the fridge moved on its own, and assembled completely at random any ingredients found in the fridge, even if they go together in a molecular sense, it would not be so intelligent as a skillful assembly with thought to outcome of the recipe, and its the luck of the draw on the outcome. Why? Because random assembly even if like molecules gravitate to mutate, without an end design of specific complexity, beauty, functionality and general appeal, then random assembly becomes random final outcome. So many masters even with complex and biologically durable outcomes of random assembly, appeal and beauty wouldn't be an outcome. That's design. If you start a project and work with whatever is lying around, you probably can't and won't build a nice shed, let alone a beautiful house! Any random assembly by unintelligent design will produce drability and functionality, but not art, beauty, and qualities of advancements. Especially to the max degree! Its not probable or possible for random luck to produce millions of unique natural assemble mutations that are more art like than crude assembly like. Without an Intelligent planner and assembler, results would either be predominately marginal, with posiblt a few exceptions of accidental appeal. So results in outcome would be projected with durability for survival as its only directive at best! With use of appropriate and inappropriate materials being used, we would be uggggly, a disaster, but biologically durable!
Think of play doe, can be very creative and skillfully someone can create amazing art with intricate details, but if your just playing, and not so skillfully, eventually the colorful play doe ends in an undefined blob of black play doe. So science expects intelligent assembly at random, and for small blips in nature, I buy that. But man, in all our complexity, is impossible at random to design by luck a creature that can and does maximize every advancement in this big old petri dish! and even so many animals with complexities and beauty, accidents of nature are not pretty. If it all were random, it's more likely to create freaks and monsters by random mutations. And only an idiot could believe random assembly could produce 1, 10, even 50 samples as if skilled, and on purpose. But to create everything at random to look and advance to the maximums of the materials present, is the most unreasonable logic I have ever heard!The assembly would be crude in outcome with dominant genes reproducing as you said, but it is not probable or logical to end up with specimens in the variety of millions especially humans, that are so well formed and appealing. We don't need all of nature to be beautiful to be functional. And we don't need it to be appealing to be dominant gene distribution through continuous offspring. So yes a gene will dominate and reproduce the evolving gene... etc. But to have an outcome that has such appeal in its logical progression is creativity not random selections of functional biology that endures through natural selection of dominance evolved for purpose of survival. Side: its stupid
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And there is NO way a random assembly in evolution would result in humans or any other nature in our world. True, if evolution were random. But it isnt. Stop saying it is Without a Creator with purpose and ability could accidentally have selected 1 creature out of all creatures that ever existed to excell in every advancement known to this modern day world. You cant even demonstrate that It like ... hitting the big 6 lotto everyday for years completely by a series of random accidents, and getting everything right, through every mutation to excell to the highest maximum advancements available in our complex world. No it isnt. You cant even calculate such a thing. And it is actually nonsense to believe evolution, without creative intelligence within evolution, had such creative well thought out results as a reult in the final outcomes of others complex beautifully appealing world, at random, and by accidental outcome through a crude process of assemblingselective elements and mutations to evolve creatures of such art and design, and specifically regarding humans, to have such complex unique qualities of conscience judgement and superior intelligence is unreasonable without purposefull design, and intentional creativity. Its not fucking random. How many times am i going to explain this to you? NOT. RANDOM. If we assemble ingredients at random without a recipe from everything we can find laying around in the fridge, we can come up with a little skill we can take some things out and decently by intelligent design create an edible dish that may even look and taste appealing. But if the fridge moved on its own, and assembled completely at random any ingredients found in the fridge, even if they go together in a molecular sense, it would not be so intelligent as a skillful assembly with thought to outcome of the recipe, and its the luck of the draw on the outcome. Why? Because random assembly even if like molecules gravitate to mutate, without an end design of specific complexity, beauty, functionality and general appeal, then random assembly becomes random final outcome. EVOLUTION IS NOT FUCKING RANDOM. You can argue against random construction all you want but its a fucking strawman. Evolution. is. not. random. You saying that shows just how little you understand it So many masters even with complex and biologically durable outcomes of random assembly, appeal and beauty wouldn't be an outcome. That's design. Not random. If you start a project and work with whatever is lying around, you probably can't and won't build a nice shed, let alone a beautiful house! Any random assembly by unintelligent design will produce drability and functionality, but not art, beauty, and qualities of advancements. Especially to the max degree! Not random Its not probable or possible for random luck to produce millions of unique natural assemble mutations that are more art like than crude assembly like. Without an Intelligent planner and assembler, results would either be predominately marginal, with posiblt a few exceptions of accidental appeal. So results in outcome would be projected with durability for survival as its only directive at best! With use of appropriate and inappropriate materials being used, we would be uggggly, a disaster, but biologically durable! NOT FUCKING RANDOM Think of play doe, can be very creative and skillfully someone can create amazing art with intricate details, but if your just playing, and not so skillfully, eventually the colorful play doe ends in an undefined blob of black play doe. So science expects intelligent assembly at random, No it fucking doesnt. Evolution isnt random for the upteenth fucking time and for small blips in nature, I buy that. Ok then why on a long enough timescale is what we see today somehow not possible? Youre basically granting that evolution is possible on a small scale but not on a large scale. But man, in all our complexity, Our PERCIEVED complexity. What you see as complexity. which in reality you cant even measure is impossible at random to design by luck a creature that can and does maximize every advancement in this big old petri dish! and even so many animals with complexities and beauty, accidents of nature are not pretty. Not fucking random If it all were random, it's more likely to create freaks and monsters by random mutations. And only an idiot could believe random assembly could produce 1, 10, even 50 samples as if skilled, and on purpose. * Even if the odds of creating man were 1 in one trillion, over a long enough time scale it is 100% guaranteed that it would happen at least once. Then those on in a trillion humans would look back and go "how could that possibly happen? What are the odds? Must be design" when its fucking not. But to create everything at random to look and advance to the maximums of the materials present, is the most unreasonable logic I have ever heard! Youre right! It is unreasonable! Thats why evolution doesnt fucking say that. Your entire argument is based on this strawman that evolution is completely random. Take that away and your argument falls apart The assembly would be crude in outcome with dominant genes reproducing as you said, but it is not probable or logical to end up with specimens in the variety of millions especially humans, that are so well formed and appealing. But even if it were random as i said above we would still expect to see something "beautiful" or "artistic" at least once We don't need all of nature to be beautiful to be functional. And we don't need it to be appealing to be dominant gene distribution through continuous offspring. So yes a gene will dominate and reproduce the evolving gene... etc. Okay? So you get it now? Genes that provide better survivability for the organism will dominate and enter the gene pool and become standard. Then another one will be introduced that increases survivability. And on and on and on changing the species in different ways over a HUGE timescale. Humans are no different. Our trait for survival was intelligence and a developed brain. Many of the genes that increased our survivability increased our brain capacity or brain functions in some way. Over a long timescale we would expect to see exactly what we see today. Likewise things like skin pigment and eye shape changed. So i ask you, if god designed humans to be so unique and special why are we not all exactly the same? Why are some of us black, white, and tan? Why do some have big open eyes and some have more narrow eyes? Why do some have thick, coarse hair and some have light and thin hair? What is the point of any of these differences in your explaination? Because they fit perfectly into evolutionary biology. Side: Its not
It is random! This is why I say it is random If I throw magnets possitive and negative into a box, it's mother random that scientifically they would connect on the basis of natural laws! But random is throwing them in the box Not being random would be intentional design of an on purpose display or outcome while using the same exact principals possitive and negative attractions of all the magnets. So if the lump was thrown together, sure you would have creatures, but they would be without the touch of intelligence design, so it would be mathematically impossible to build the beauty and Perfection we see today. Because evolution not being intelligent would not concern itself with presentation of outcome! Just functionality and endurance Side: its stupid
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It is random! This is why I say it is random No its fucking not. The ONLY "random" component of evolution is the mutations. That is it. After a mutation has occured its a completely nature driven process. A given mutation either INCREASES an organisms ability not only to survive but to pass on its genetic material, DECREASES its ability to do so, or does not affect it in those ways at all. If it increases its ability to survive and pass on genes then it will do so and introduce the gene to the gene pool for its species. Then the gene will eventually become standard as the "evolved" organisms are far better suited to their environment than the "non evolved" ones. If it decreases its ability to survive and pass on genes then odds are that it will die out or not be able to pass on its genes for other reasons and it is very unlikely that the gene become standard in the gene pool. Very, very simple principles here. If I throw magnets possitive and negative into a box, it's mother random that scientifically they would connect on the basis of natural laws! What? But random is throwing them in the box Thats not random. You deliberately set up a box and threw magnets into it Not being random would be intentional design of an on purpose display or outcome while using the same exact principals possitive and negative attractions of all the magnets. But we know what happens when you introduce a positive magnet to a negative one. So if the lump was thrown together, sure you would have creatures, but they would be without the touch of intelligence design, so it would be mathematically impossible to build the beauty and Perfection we see today. Youre just asserting that without any evidence to back it up. Its also, once again, based on the false premise that evolution is a totally random process. Which i just demonstrated that it isnt for the 100th time. Because evolution not being intelligent would not concern itself with presentation of outcome! Just functionality and endurance Because youre assuming that evolution is supposed to result in something that is beautiful to you. No, it results in that which is the best organism for its environment and niche. An unintended consequence of that is that some organisms are "beautiful" to the human eye. Youre totally ignoring the concept that functionality can include visual beauty. Hence the peacock example And you keep saying beauty over and over and over. Explain the blob fish. An ugly, rancid looking thing that is not beautiful to the human eye by any stretch of the imagination. What did god just get lazy one day? He designed the angel fish and the puffer fish and jellyfish with all kinds of colors and hes like, "jeeze, im so tired. its been a long day. Fuck it its a blob im done". Side: Its not
My example is making a world like the stars of the world, everything in it through one act of throwing everything needed into 1 box, what happens and how it happens after the initial big bang on "throwing everything in 1 big box" is the actual example!!!!! It's a logical conclusion for adaptation that cells have basic memory. How else do behavioral instincts pass on in animals. Basically having cell memory to reproduce, nurture, build a gopher house, or a beaver damm, or not to eat red berries, or to have an eye to avoid eating a poisonous frogs. So I'd imagine a Creator would build in memory for survival in nature. My issue with evolutionists is: "On a long enough time scale" we somehow evolve to an artistic expression of ordet and beauty as seen throughout every area of nature, in plants, landscapes, creatures, and in humanity. And lol, it's soooooo irrational and so unintelligent! This is deception by choice, or it's being an idiot by deception. Smart science people understand patterns in math and science I'm sure, right? You know, we all begin learning this basic fundamental concept in preschool, and we are suppised to build on it, or at least consider patterns with some degree of logical process to outcome! So here is the pattern of evolution you all buy, and think with "long enough time:" Patterns 2 4 6 8 10 11 29 17 83 99 90 92 94 96 98 100 1002 2004 200 300 ... See the pattern has no consistency ...!!! Mutations produce basic biological needs for evolution selection, BUT no degree of time in basic biological selection for needs EVER become a personally selective process as need toward progress resulting in art and Beauty. These are qualities found in a persona, and NOT a possibility let alone a probability foundational or through accidental outcome, in a process exclusively intended to produce organisms for survival and for progress to thrive in qualities of durability that are inherent in biological selections toward the survival and thriving progressively based on durability. So your pattern for outcome is ridiculous and irrational!!!! Side: its stupid
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My example is making a world like the stars of the world, everything in it through one act of throwing everything needed into 1 box, what happens and how it happens after the initial big bang on "throwing everything in 1 big box" is the actual example!!!!! Are we talking about evolution or cosmology here? Two different things. It's a logical conclusion for adaptation that cells have basic memory. How else do behavioral instincts pass on in animals. Basically having cell memory to reproduce, nurture, build a gopher house, or a beaver damm, or not to eat red berries, or to have an eye to avoid eating a poisonous frogs. So I'd imagine a Creator would build in memory for survival in nature. "i dont know how it really happens, therefore god" My issue with evolutionists is: "On a long enough time scale" we somehow evolve to an artistic expression of ordet and beauty as seen throughout every area of nature, in plants, landscapes, creatures, and in humanity. And lol, it's soooooo irrational and so unintelligent! Argument from incredulity. You not believing it doesnt make it not true. Your argument is based on false premises. First that evolution is random when its not and second that beauty cannot be a natural product of evolution which is also false. This is deception by choice, or it's being an idiot by deception. Smart science people understand patterns in math and science I'm sure, right? You know, we all begin learning this basic fundamental concept in preschool, and we are suppised to build on it, or at least consider patterns with some degree of logical process to outcome! So here is the pattern of evolution you all buy, and think with "long enough time:" Patterns 2 4 6 8 10 11 29 17 83 99 90 92 94 96 98 100 1002 2004 200 300 ... See the pattern has no consistency ...!!! Heres your argument summarized: "things need patterns!" -random string of numbers with no explaination for what they represent- "see it makes no sense!" Yeah it does make no sense. Please explain how that string of numbers is representative of evolution. How did you calculate it? Mutations produce basic biological needs for evolution selection, BUT no degree of time in basic biological selection for needs EVER become a personally selective process as need toward progress resulting in art and Beauty. False These are qualities found in a persona, and NOT a possibility let alone a probability foundational or through accidental outcome, in a process exclusively intended to produce organisms for survival and for progress to thrive in qualities of durability that are inherent in biological selections toward the survival and thriving progressively based on durability. Durability of GENES. Which can absolutely result in cosmetic beauty. So your pattern for outcome is ridiculous and irrational!!!! Your pattern argument is what is ridiculous and irrational. You didnt explain any of that. From start to finish its word salad and then a bunch of numbers and then your conclusion of: "see?? Random string of numbers therefore evolution is dumb!" Yeah thats all it takes to disprove the most supported and accepted theory in all of modern science. A string of random numbers you pulled out of your ass. Please send your argument to the National Science Foundation and publish it and collect your nobel prize. Side: Its not
Cosmology and Evolution they exist together in a chain reaction. You can't have evolution without Cosmology and you can't have our outcome through either without The Creator. And The Creator has continued in Creating through every time and every age. So maybe we should think about who that is and what He wants. Side: its stupid
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Cosmology and Evolution they exist together in a chain reaction. You can't have evolution without Cosmology Not necessarily. Even if everything we know about cosmology is false, it doesnt change the fact that life on earth evolved and continues to evolve. and you can't have our outcome through either without The Creator. prove it And The Creator has continued in Creating through every time and every age. pffft so tell me what in the past 10 years hes created So maybe we should think about who that is and what He wants. No we should prove he exists first THEN we can ask such ridiculous questions. Side: Its not
I don't know how it happened? Not true. God actually Created and interacted with His Creation. Every science "fact" made through science was explained already in a Book thousands of years old. And it had more longevity than many mutations made by a binary state of evolution! And what's incredible is as time goes into advancements, designed by the Creator, everything in it is proving itself! From the speed of light to time travel by light, from prophesy to fulfillment, from natural laws of science to the mysteries sought out by science ... every bit of it is layered into a book that when opened reveals the depth of the entire University and the God of the entire universe. If you could see it, you would be in awe! Did the ancient author of Genesis have calculations and a lab to determine sun didn't appear till later in creation? Because evolution has founds signs of plant life without photosynthesis! Wouldn't make any sense for Moses to put Sun Moon stars on day 4, while putting plant growth on day 3. They understood seasons and harvest! Science shows that things were growing without sunlight, and period growth didn't samples. Yet Moses didnt say the sun shown in our world till day 4. Science agrees - no sign of sunlight till later in growth samples of life later time periods. So either the ancient author had a lucky guess or God showed him! My point is the ancient author was conditioned by following the sun and seasons for harvesting plants. So it wouldn't be a natural guess for the author to put growth occurring before the appearance of sun.God gave progressive understanding through time. He could have made Noah a boat engineer And He could have made Moses a scientist. But He is God, and He spoke what He wanted to speak in every time He chose to speak. It actually doesn't matter what you would have done or me. He is stationary unchangeable, we are decission makers and He gives what we need to make decissions, and our hearts will actually gravitate to whatever our hearts love. So if our hearts do not love truth well we will choose to deny truth and push truth away. If our hearts love truth, at the right time, some need time for watering and softening. But in the time our hearts are ready, our hearts will hear His call. God did exactly the perfect thing when writing His word. He made it as simple as a child could understand. Jesus said, you must be like a child. So its simple. So them why would God make it so only an educated advanced scientist could know and commune with God??? And as deep as a great mind could understand. But it still comes down to childlike faith But here this may help your smart mind. God says in Daniel that knowledge will unfold from a sealed book through the ages till the end! So He is opening up wider to show us. Daniel: 12 2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 3 "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." 5 Then I, Daniel, looked and behold, two others were standing, one on this bank of the river and the other on that bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be until the end of these wonders?" 7 I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8 As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, "My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?" 9 He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time. 10 "Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.All through the Bible Jesus and the prophets refer to planting, roots growing, deep, softening the ground, watering, cultivating ... etc. If you look at Genesis, a comment God made introducing His creation of man, is there is no one to cultivate it... so He made man, then went and planted an exclusive garden to the East and then placed man into it to care for it. So we see an element of God's work ethics here. Regarding plant life - The only plant I recall God speaking into being was the tree that grew quickly to shade Jonah, which God let wither and die in as quick a time. But God did speak creatures and man into existence. And we see even in science that creatures appeared spontaneously. Also remember Adam was placed in a garden East of Eden. He didn't enter the rest of the world till after he fell. The animals and life lived both in and out of the garden. And we don't have any idea how long Adam and Eve were in the garden. So I think creation the way God did it was on purpose. And 1 light year day in Heaven well that's a likely day used. Even in Genesis right after the Creation Days and He rested on the 7th day. Even after the author inspired by God wrote Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 ... Day 7 ... the author literally its written says "these are the generations of days" Why would Moses the likely author of Genesis say this..... after he clearly just finished calling them days? Maybe because the author understood a day in Heaven, or a day in light years. And we see a few verses in the Old and New Testament that show at least some others understood this concept some. Psalms 90: 4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. 2 Peter 3 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. appearances of Heavenly beings in the Bible, even Satan falling from Heaven, they always appear in a beam of light! You can be an idiot if you want to, but defending wrong is not a strong position, ESPECIALLY against God! The scriptures used the best word available, and they had different words for the same word to give the clarity in the best terms available The the word for light used here is this verse is this use "to shine or make manifest, especially by rays." So John in this verse chose to use rays over another word describing light used in glow or illuminate. So Jesus is saying I Am rays or beams of light. John 8:12 Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light (shine or make manifest, especially by rays) the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays) of life." Eternal life, God Father Son Holy Spirit Heavenly Bodies Angels Even Omnipotence and Omniscience, even the seeing and understanding. Even Satan's fall from Heaven are described as movements and living in the speed of light! Abiding in Him as He in the Father and us in Him, walk as "children of the Light" God knowing all things, the Father showing the Son all things all knowing, all prophesies, even Enoch walked with God, and God beamed Him up.... Are scientific terms unknown till modern times...yet the prophets understood every word. God's light reaches through the entire space of time, beginning end future. Why would they choose light as the term to describe Eternity, and an Eternal God?? Paul says: 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. The Mystery of Resurrection 50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55 "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?" 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. In REVELATIONS 22: verse 5 - 5 "And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever." New Jerusalem is an Eternity with no end, and the light of the Sun is too small. God Himself is greater LIGHT than the Sun. HE Himself is the light that lights eternity! Now why would they say that? The Sun is perfectly adequate to light, in their primitive knowledge they may have prophetically understood light by experience, not by data! I get this, because I have experienced some of God's movement in this way showing me things. The only way I can describe the experience is, Like Living Water rushing forth, in my mind and coming out of my being. Which is actually exactly how Jesus described it. Sometimes I have one thing being shown by the Helper, The Holy Spirit Jesus promised to leave with us, and no matter if I hadn't read those scriptures in 30 years, they flow together in a moments time, like they are flowing all at once, with so much detail I can see it, but I almost can't grab any of it, but even the water left as dampness on my hand is Living Water. And is like looking at a glimpse into Eternity. I can see, how the Bible says Satan took Jesus up to tempt Him before being crucified. Scripture says, and Satan in a moment showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, Lucifer was an angel of light, Lucifer understands light properties. And Lucifer still can appear as an angel of light! I understand seeing content like that in "a moment" I've experienced God show me things in that bazarr way. We can briefly glimpse what and how God showed prophets what He showed them. He did it through Light. He is Pure Light! When He spoke to them He showed them the future through the speed of light. For the moments of prophesy, they were in that ray of light to that time of prophesy God was showing them! Prophets sometimes saw it in part, or through a haze, and sometimes clear AS DAY! Sometimes their minds were hazy at times clear, depending on God's time to reveal and what He was revealing at the moment to that prophet. But these individuals saw prophesy, and not just future prophesy. They saw creation, they saw Satan cast to the earth, they saw present and God's word there, and they saw future all the way to the New Jerusalem with no sun yet no darkness, all light without sun, and Eternal - no time! The past, we see in Genesis, through time into the future we see in Revelations! We were with Jesus from the beginning, and He knows the children of light, because He is light! And He fully knows tomorrow as He knows yesterday! And light doesn't limit Him at all because light has no time, nor time limitations! We were with Him from the beginning because He is pure Light! And pure Light can be in the past present and future all at once. And if you think of the Trinity. Let us make man in Our image. All 3 were involved in creation! All 3 can be in all 3 times periods all at once, there is no end to His light, "the darkness can't consume Him. We no that even a beam of light in dark matter is lost forever. Well isn't Satan a beam of light lost forever? I think these spiritual truths are truths to be known to children of light. The god of this world has blinded everyone else's eyes because even scientifically understanding light people are still consumed by darkness and can't see the Light, pure Light. God's Light. We see dimly but in a twinkling of an eye we see more. What happens in a twinkling of an eye?? Think of a camera. An advanced highest quality camera! We can make movies throw energy into high speed Internet, but we can only glimpse in the twinkling to capture a fractio of a fraction of a .... fractions x fractions.... a twinkling of the speed of Pure Light! God says in Daniel: seal the book till the end of days. Knowledge will increase. God is opening the book wider and deeper now more than ever before! Side: its stupid
I don't know how it happened? Not true. God actually Created and interacted with His Creation. Every science "fact" made through science was explained already in a Book thousands of years old. And it had more longevity than many mutations made by a binary state of evolution! And what's incredible is as time goes into advancements, designed by the Creator, everything in it is proving itself! From the speed of light to time travel by light, from prophesy to fulfillment, from natural laws of science to the mysteries sought out by science ... every bit of it is layered into a book that when opened reveals the depth of the entire University and the God of the entire universe. If you could see it, you would be in awe! Did the ancient author of Genesis have calculations and a lab to determine sun didn't appear till later in creation? Because evolution has founds signs of plant life without photosynthesis! Wouldn't make any sense for Moses to put Sun Moon stars on day 4, while putting plant growth on day 3. They understood seasons and harvest! Science shows that things were growing without sunlight, and period growth didn't samples. Yet Moses didnt say the sun shown in our world till day 4. Science agrees - no sign of sunlight till later in growth samples of life later time periods. So either the ancient author had a lucky guess or God showed him! My point is the ancient author was conditioned by following the sun and seasons for harvesting plants. So it wouldn't be a natural guess for the author to put growth occurring before the appearance of sun.God gave progressive understanding through time. He could have made Noah a boat engineer And He could have made Moses a scientist. But He is God, and He spoke what He wanted to speak in every time He chose to speak. It actually doesn't matter what you would have done or me. He is stationary unchangeable, we are decission makers and He gives what we need to make decissions, and our hearts will actually gravitate to whatever our hearts love. So if our hearts do not love truth well we will choose to deny truth and push truth away. If our hearts love truth, at the right time, some need time for watering and softening. But in the time our hearts are ready, our hearts will hear His call. God did exactly the perfect thing when writing His word. He made it as simple as a child could understand. Jesus said, you must be like a child. So its simple. So them why would God make it so only an educated advanced scientist could know and commune with God??? He actually makes the wise foolish and the simple wise! And as deep as a great mind could understand. But it still comes down to childlike faith But here this may help your smart mind. God says in Daniel that knowledge will unfold from a sealed book through the ages till the end! So He is opening up wider to show us. Daniel: 12 2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 3 "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." 5 Then I, Daniel, looked and behold, two others were standing, one on this bank of the river and the other on that bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be until the end of these wonders?" 7 I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8 As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, "My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?" 9 He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time. 10 "Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.All through the Bible Jesus and the prophets refer to planting, roots growing, deep, softening the ground, watering, cultivating ... etc. If you look at Genesis, a comment God made introducing His creation of man, is there is no one to cultivate it... so He made man, then went and planted an exclusive garden to the East and then placed man into it to care for it. So we see an element of God's work ethics here. Regarding plant life - The only plant I recall God speaking into being was the tree that grew quickly to shade Jonah, which God let wither and die in as quick a time. But God did speak creatures and man into existence. And we see even in science that creatures appeared spontaneously. Also remember Adam was placed in a garden East of Eden. He didn't enter the rest of the world till after he fell. The animals and life lived both in and out of the garden. And we don't have any idea how long Adam and Eve were in the garden. So I think creation the way God did it was on purpose. And 1 light year day in Heaven well that's a likely day used. Even in Genesis right after the Creation Days and He rested on the 7th day. Even after the author inspired by God wrote Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 ... Day 7 ... the author literally its written says "these are the generations of days" Why would Moses the likely author of Genesis say this..... after he clearly just finished calling them days? Maybe because the author understood a day in Heaven, or a day in light years. And we see a few verses in the Old and New Testament that show at least some others understood this concept some. Psalms 90: 4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. 2 Peter 3 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. appearances of Heavenly beings in the Bible, even Satan falling from Heaven, they always appear in a beam of light! You can be an idiot if you want to, but defending wrong is not a strong position, ESPECIALLY against God! The scriptures used the best word available, and they had different words for the same word to give the clarity in the best terms available The the word for light used here is this verse is this use "to shine or make manifest, especially by rays." So John in this verse chose to use rays over another word describing light used in glow or illuminate. So Jesus is saying I Am rays or beams of light. John 8:12 Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light (shine or make manifest, especially by rays) the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays) of life." Eternal life, God Father Son Holy Spirit Heavenly Bodies Angels Even Omnipotence and Omniscience, even the seeing and understanding. Even Satan's fall from Heaven are described as movements and living in the speed of light! Abiding in Him as He in the Father and us in Him, walk as "children of the Light" God knowing all things, the Father showing the Son all things all knowing, all prophesies, even Enoch walked with God, and God beamed Him up.... Are scientific terms unknown till modern times...yet the prophets understood every word. God's light reaches through the entire space of time, beginning end future. Why would they choose light as the term to describe Eternity, and an Eternal God?? Paul says: 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. The Mystery of Resurrection 50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55 "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?" 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. In REVELATIONS 22: verse 5 - 5 "And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever." New Jerusalem is an Eternity with no end, and the light of the Sun is too small. God Himself is greater LIGHT than the Sun. HE Himself is the light that lights eternity! Now why would they say that? The Sun is perfectly adequate to light, in their primitive knowledge they may have prophetically understood light by experience, not by data! Living Water flows, its like looking at a glimpse into oceans of Eternity. I can see, how the Bible says Satan took Jesus up to tempt Him before being crucified. Scripture says, and Satan in a moment showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, Lucifer was an angel of light, Lucifer understands light properties. And Lucifer still can appear as an angel of light! I understand seeing content like that in "a moment" I've experienced God show me things in that bazar way. We can briefly glimpse what and how God showed prophets what He showed them. He did it through Light. He is Pure Light! When He spoke to them He showed them the future through the speed of light. For the moments of prophesy, their minds illuminated in that ray of light to that time of prophesy God was showing them! Prophets sometimes saw it in part, or through a haze, and sometimes clear AS DAY! Sometimes their minds were hazy at times clear, depending on God's time to reveal and what He was revealing at the moment to that prophet. But these individuals saw prophesy, and not just future prophesy. They saw creation, they saw Satan cast to the earth, they saw present and God's word there, and they saw future all the way to the New Jerusalem with no sun yet no darkness, all light without sun, and Eternal - no time! The past, we see in Genesis and in many books, through time, in the present, and into the future we see in Revelations! We were with Jesus from the beginning, and He knows the children of light, because He is light! And He fully knows tomorrow as He knows yesterday! And light doesn't limit Him at all because light has no time, nor time limitations! We were with Him from the beginning because He is pure Light! And pure Light can be in the past present and future all at once. And if you think of the Trinity. Let us make man in Our image. All 3 were involved in creation! All 3 can be in all 3 times periods all at once, there is no end to His light, "the darkness can't consume Him. We no that even a beam of light in dark matter is lost forever. Well isn't Satan a beam of light lost forever? I think these spiritual truths are truths to be known to children of light. The god of this world has blinded everyone else's eyes because even scientifically understanding light people are still consumed by darkness and can't see the Light, pure Light. God's Light. We see dimly but in a twinkling of an eye we see more. What happens in a twinkling of an eye?? Think of a camera. An advanced highest quality camera! We can make movies throw energy into high speed Internet, but we can only glimpse in the twinkling to capture a fractio of a fraction of a .... fractions times fractions.... but in a twinkling of an eye, the speed of Pure Light! God says in Daniel: seal the book till the end of days. Knowledge will increase. God is opening the book wider and deeper now more than ever before! Side: its stupid
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don't know how it happened? Not true. Absolutely true. We cannot know for 100% certainty ANYTHING that happened in history let alone ancient history. God actually Created and interacted with His Creation. Prove it Every science "fact" made through science was explained already in a Book thousands of years old. And it had more longevity than many mutations made by a binary state of evolution! Well evolution took place over some 3 billion years and the bible is 2000 so thats just outright false. And please point me to the passage of the bible that explains how electrons orbit the positively charged nucleus of an atom. And what's incredible is as time goes into advancements, designed by the Creator, everything in it is proving itself! No it doesnt. Things dont prove themselves. You have to actually get evidence and prove them From the speed of light to time travel by light, from prophesy to fulfillment, from natural laws of science to the mysteries sought out by science ... every bit of it is layered into a book that when opened reveals the depth of the entire University and the God of the entire universe. Please cite me the bible verse that explains in depth the speed of light and the equation to calculate it. If you could see it, you would be in awe! I read the entire bible cover to cover and there is not any of this shit in there. Youre taking loose, metaphorical poetic verses and just claiming that they mean something scientific when they dont say that at all. If the book actually had any of that in it then science wouldnt have to go out and do experiments and prove shit. They could just look up the verse and get the equation for the speed of light. But that equation isnt in there anywhere Did the ancient author of Genesis have calculations and a lab to determine sun didn't appear till later in creation? Because evolution has founds signs of plant life without photosynthesis! Wouldn't make any sense for Moses to put Sun Moon stars on day 4, while putting plant growth on day 3. They understood seasons and harvest! Science shows that things were growing without sunlight, and period growth didn't samples. Yet Moses didnt say the sun shown in our world till day 4. Science agrees - no sign of sunlight till later in growth samples of life later time periods. So either the ancient author had a lucky guess or God showed him! The sun is some 14 billion years old. It predates the earth by over 10 billion years. The bible is factually incorrect. Youre taking the bibles CLAIM that the plants predated the sun and just accepting it at face value. What evidence do you have that the earth actually predates the sun? None. My point is the ancient author was conditioned by following the sun and seasons for harvesting plants. So it wouldn't be a natural guess for the author to put growth occurring before the appearance of sun.God gave progressive understanding through time. He could have made Noah a boat engineer And He could have made Moses a scientist. But He is God, and He spoke what He wanted to speak "god works in mysterious ways" way to completely deflect legitimate arguments against the text. in every time He chose to speak. It actually doesn't matter what you would have done or me. He is stationary unchangeable, we are decission makers and He gives what we need to make decissions, and our hearts will actually gravitate to whatever our hearts love. Still waiting for you to prove that such a being exists So if our hearts do not love truth well we will choose to deny truth and push truth away. If our hearts love truth, at the right time, some need time for watering and softening. But in the time our hearts are ready, our hearts will hear His call. God did exactly the perfect thing when writing His word. Blah blah blah love blah blah blah truth. Prove god exists and then we can start to talk about his character. Until then youre talking out your ass. He made it as simple as a child could understand. Because it takes the intellectual equivalent of a child to believe it at face value Jesus said, you must be like a child. So its simple. So them why would God make it so only an educated advanced scientist could know and commune with God??? He actually makes the wise foolish and the simple wise! So the bible says that idiots are wise. I bet that makes all the idiots believing in this religious nonsense feel really good and not question it. Makes sense to include something like that if you want to keep people duped And as deep as a great mind could understand. But it still comes down to childlike faith But here this may help your smart mind. God says in Daniel that knowledge will unfold from a sealed book through the ages till the end! So He is opening up wider to show us. Daniel: 12 2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. 3 "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." 5 Then I, Daniel, looked and behold, two others were standing, one on this bank of the river and the other on that bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be until the end of these wonders?" 7 I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8 As for me, I heard but could not understand; so I said, "My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?" 9 He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time. 10 "Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.All through the Bible Jesus and the prophets refer to planting, roots growing, deep, softening the ground, watering, cultivating ... etc. Prove god exists. Prove god wrote this. Prove daniel existed. Prove any of this actually happened. Youre just citing CLAIMS. Everything in the bible is its own claim. You cant cite another passage of the bible to prove a previous passage. Thats like someone saying "prove harry potter is a real person" and then i cite the last book and say "see! He kills voldemort right here!". Theyre from the same book. That isnt evidence its just another claim. The bible is a big fat book of claims that need their own independent verification using extrabiblical evidence which you have none of. If you look at Genesis, a comment God made introducing His creation of man, is there is no one to cultivate it... so He made man, then went and planted an exclusive garden to the East and then placed man into it to care for it. So we see an element of God's work ethics here. Prove god exists and we can start talking about his ethics. Youre getting so far ahead of yourself here. Regarding plant life - The only plant I recall God speaking into being was the tree that grew quickly to shade Jonah, which God let wither and die in as quick a time. But God did speak creatures and man into existence. And we see even in science that creatures appeared spontaneously. No they fucking didnt. Are you referring to the cambrian explosion? Because that isnt spontaneous poofing of animals into existence. It was an explosion of breeding life and it happened 500 MILLION years ago. There were animals before that but if you wanna go back all the way to the beginning then we get into abiogenesis which is its own whole field of study. And even that isnt spontanous its a process. Also remember Adam was placed in a garden East of Eden. He didn't enter the rest of the world till after he fell. The animals and life lived both in and out of the garden. And we don't have any idea how long Adam and Eve were in the garden. So I think creation the way God did it was on purpose. And 1 light year day in Heaven well that's a likely day used. Even in Genesis right after the Creation Days and He rested on the 7th day. Even after the author inspired by God wrote Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 ... Day 7 ... the author literally its written says "these are the generations of days" Why would Moses the likely author of Genesis say this..... after he clearly just finished calling them days? Maybe because the author understood a day in Heaven, or a day in light years. And we see a few verses in the Old and New Testament that show at least some others understood this concept some. Psalms 90: 4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. 2 Peter 3 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. appearances of Heavenly beings in the Bible, even Satan falling from Heaven, they always appear in a beam of light! You can be an idiot if you want to, but defending wrong is not a strong position, ESPECIALLY against God! The scriptures used the best word available, and they had different words for the same word to give the clarity in the best terms available The the word for light used here is this verse is this use "to shine or make manifest, especially by rays." So John in this verse chose to use rays over another word describing light used in glow or illuminate. So Jesus is saying I Am rays or beams of light. Blah blah blah blah claims claims claims claims. None of this is evidence. These are the source of the claims youre supposedly proving. Its the eqivalent of someone saying "prove harry potter exists" and then i hand them the complete 7 book box set. That isnt proof thats the source of the claim. John 8:12 Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light (shine or make manifest, especially by rays) the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays) of life." Eternal life, God Father Son Holy Spirit Heavenly Bodies Angels Even Omnipotence and Omniscience, even the seeing and understanding. Even Satan's fall from Heaven are described as movements and living in the speed of light! Abiding in Him as He in the Father and us in Him, walk as "children of the Light" God knowing all things, the Father showing the Son all things all knowing, all prophesies, even Enoch walked with God, and God beamed Him up.... Are scientific terms unknown till modern times...yet the prophets understood every word. God's light reaches through the entire space of time, beginning end future. Why would they choose light as the term to describe Eternity, and an Eternal God?? Paul says: 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. The Mystery of Resurrection 50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55 "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?" 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. In REVELATIONS 22: verse 5 - 5 "And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever." New Jerusalem is an Eternity with no end, and the light of the Sun is too small. God Himself is greater LIGHT than the Sun. HE Himself is the light that lights eternity! Blah blah blah blah more claims more claims more claims. Do you have physical evidence of heaven? No. Do you have physical evidence of hell? No. Do you have physical evidence of the holy spirit? No. Do you have physical evidence of god? No. This. is. not. evidence. Now why would they say that? Because theyre a bunch of bronze age primitives who didnt understand shit and thought a magical space being was responsible for everything? The Sun is perfectly adequate to light, in their primitive knowledge they may have prophetically understood light by experience, not by data! Living Water flows, its like looking at a glimpse into oceans of Eternity. I can see, how the Bible says Satan took Jesus up to tempt Him before being crucified. Scripture says, and Satan in a moment showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, Lucifer was an angel of light, Lucifer understands light properties. And Lucifer still can appear as an angel of light! Prove lucifer exists I understand seeing content like that in "a moment" I've experienced God show me things in that bazar way. Anecdotes are not evidence We can briefly glimpse what and how God showed prophets what He showed them. He did it through Light. He is Pure Light! When He spoke to them He showed them the future through the speed of light. For the moments of prophesy, their minds illuminated in that ray of light to that time of prophesy God was showing them! You cant even prove that. Youre just asserting that they were divinely inspired but you have zero evidence. You cant just read someones work and use that to prove what they were inspired by. Especially if that thing is a untestable being outside space and time. Prophets sometimes saw it in part, or through a haze, and sometimes clear AS DAY! Sometimes their minds were hazy at times clear, depending on God's time to reveal and what He was revealing at the moment to that prophet. But these individuals saw prophesy, and not just future prophesy. They saw creation, they saw Satan cast to the earth, they saw present and God's word there, and they saw future all the way to the New Jerusalem with no sun yet no darkness, all light without sun, and Eternal - no time! OR. They were making all this shit up to explain the stuff they didnt understand. The past, we see in Genesis and in many books, through time, in the present, and into the future we see in Revelations! We were with Jesus from the beginning, and He knows the children of light, because He is light! And He fully knows tomorrow as He knows yesterday! Then why didnt he stop that truck attack in France And light doesn't limit Him at all because light has no time, nor time limitations! We were with Him from the beginning because He is pure Light! And pure Light can be in the past present and future all at once. And if you think of the Trinity. Let us make man in Our image. All 3 were involved in creation! You cant even prove all 3 exist. Hell you cant prove 1 exists. You can assert that they exist over and over and over and keep repeating the claims that they exist over and over but you cant actually prove shit. All 3 can be in all 3 times periods all at once, there is no end to His light, "the darkness can't consume Him. We no that even a beam of light in dark matter is lost forever. Well isn't Satan a beam of light lost forever? I think these spiritual truths are truths to be known to children of light. The god of this world has blinded everyone else's eyes because even scientifically understanding light people are still consumed by darkness and can't see the Light, pure Light. God's Light. We see dimly but in a twinkling of an eye we see more. What happens in a twinkling of an eye?? Think of a camera. An advanced highest quality camera! We can make movies throw energy into high speed Internet, but we can only glimpse in the twinkling to capture a fractio of a fraction of a .... fractions times fractions.... but in a twinkling of an eye, the speed of Pure Light! God says in Daniel: seal the book till the end of days. Knowledge will increase. God is opening the book wider and deeper now more than ever before! Blahbidy blahbidy blah blah blah. Wow. Thanks for a shitload of word salad nonsense. The bible is the claim, not the proof. Citing it doesnt prove shit. Interpreting what it says doesnt prove shit. You need ACTUAL PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. You need something to test to actually confirm in reality that god exists right now. And you cant provide that. Also, have you ever heard of occams razer? It says that of all possible explainations for something, if we dont have the truth then we should go with the explaination that makes the least assumptions. For example, i come home and find a baseball on my livingroom floor and theres a hole in my window. I come up with 2 possible explainations (for the sake of simplicity). 1. A magical baseball unicorn named The Great Bambino pranced onto my yard and used his horn to smash a hole in my window. Then he placed his ass up to the hole and pooped out a baseball that bounced into the middle of my living room. Then he flew away on the power of baseball magic. 2. The kids across the street hit a baseball into my window. Now i dont know what exactly happened. But which of these requires more assumptions? The first explaination requires me to assume that a magic unicorn exists. It requires me to assume that the unicorn randomly broke my window. It requires me to assume that it poops baseballs and can fly away. The second requires me to assume that kids are capable of hitting baseballs across the street. Now occams razer says that i should clearly go with the second explaination because it requires the least amount of assumtions to believe. Its REASONABLE to assume that kids hit a baseball into my window. It is UNREASONABLE to assume that unicorns exist especially when that contradicts everything we know about reality. So lets look at your religion. Is it more logical to assume that every magical claim in the bible is 100% true despite the lack of any evidence to support them? It is more logical to assume that a transcendent space being exists and created everything? Or is it more logical to assume that they were primitive bronze age people who attempted to explain the world around them the only way they knew how to: with stories and myths? Its obviously the second explaination. I mean, if you believe christianity that means you dont believe the some 3000 other religions currently being practiced in the world. So for every religion BUT yours you would assume that those religions were written by primitive people who explained the world with stories and myths but none of it is true. But YOUR religion is the one in which every outlandish claim is true? Give me a break. Side: Its not
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Nature proves God exists and is The Creator No it doesnt. Thats a nonsensical argument. Science also proves this by proving the Bible PFFT haahahaha!! What a joke. The world never flooded. Fact. Ask literally any geologist or biologist on the planet. There is not one shred of evidence for a global flood. People cannot physically live to over 900 years old. People dont spontaneously poof into pillars of salt. Theres no roman record of the census that required jesus's parents to return home yet they have records of hundreds of censuses. Theres no egyptian record of the mass exodus from egypt nor the entire egyptian army and their godking dying in the red sea yet they have loads of other in depth historical records. Science disproves the bible at every turn. Unless youd like to actually cite said evidence youre talking right out of your asshole The Bible proves the first fact that nature proves God exists and is the Creator. The bible CLAIMS god exists. The bible proves that nature proves god exists? That literally makes no fucking sense. The bible CLAIMS that nature is gods invention. The bible is not the evidence its the claims. And this is the circle of reason and the circle of life itself! It is circular reason indeed! You wanna talk about logic? How do you know god exists? The bible says so. Why is the bible supposed to be taken as true? Because its the word of god. How do we know its the word of god? The bible says so. Why is the bible supposed to be taken as true? Because its the word of god. How do we know its the word of god? The bible says so. And round and round and round it goes. You have no evidence of anything you say because you just take the source of the claim and say that its the evidence of itself. You have no extra biblical evidence of anything contained within the bible. You just take the bible at face value and then plug your ears and go "la la la la" when anything opposes it. Side: Its not
No not beautiful to me. What you see in the world is not reflective of evolving chaos for survival. We know by any example in nature, fighting for survival is a destructive pattern, not a cooperative pattern. A persona would cooperative for the greater outcome of all. But a binary foundation is concerned only for self preservation. So achieving order for optimal survival of all competing mutations would not in any world be produced as we have in our world created by The Creative Creator. It was managed! Assembled by someone, and wad not by luck achieved through selective mutations with all the right choices, made on a binary scale of choices geared only toward self durability and progress! Seriously, they teach how not to apply any common sense so they can tell you what to think, not how to think! Stop letting it! You don't see this as ridiculous and fictional? Wow! Again Wow!! Side: its stupid
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No not beautiful to me. What you see in the world is not reflective of evolving chaos for survival. Its not chaos. Evolution is very direct and orderly. Once again youre strawmanning evolution as randomness. How many times am i going to disprove that to your face? We know by any example in nature, fighting for survival is a destructive pattern, not a cooperative pattern. Its not a pattern at all. It just is. Stop over complicating it. But fighting for survival is a building process. If youre not strong enough to survive you die. Therefore anything that survives must get stronger. Then the things that it eats must get stronger to survive. So the predator must get stronger again. And on and on and on it builds and builds and gets more complex. A persona would cooperative for the greater outcome of all. But a binary foundation is concerned only for self preservation. So achieving order for optimal survival of all competing mutations would not in any world be produced as we have in our world created by The Creative Creator. It was managed! Assembled by someone, That is a completely baseless claim. If youre going to say it was created by someone you have to prove that someone exists. Otherwise its a useless empty claim. Its the equivalent of me saying that the magical purple unicorn created the world because it must be so. Do i have any evidence that this unicorn exists? None whatsoever. So it should be dismissed as a crap explaination. and wad not by luck achieved through selective mutations with all the right choices, made on a binary scale of choices geared only toward self durability and progress! Seriously, they teach how not to apply any common sense so they can tell you what to think, not how to think! Stop letting it! I literally cant follow what you say half the time. Binary scale of choices? The fuck are you even talking about? Stop over complicating it. Ive explained very clearly the process of evolution by natural selection and how it can and does produce complexity and "beauty" because those things can and are beneficial to the continuation of a given species. You don't see this as ridiculous and fictional? Wow! Again Wow!! Says the one who believes a 2000 year old book that says the world flooded and a magical jew walked on water and rose from the dead. Are you serious? Side: Its not
"On a long enough time scale" lol! This is soooooo irrational! So unintelligent! This is deception by choice, or its idiot by deception. All you smart science people understand patterns in math and science I'm sure, right? You know, we all begin learning this basic fundamental concept in preschool, and we are suppised to build on it, or at least consider patterns with some degree of logical process to outcome! So here is the pattern of evolution you all buy, and think with "long enough time:" Patterns 2 4 6 8 10 11 29 17 83 99 90 92 94 96 98 100 1002 2004 200 300 ... See the pattern has no consistency ...!!! Mutations produce basic biological needs for evolution selection, BUT no degree of time in basic biological selection for needs EVER become a personally selective process as need toward progress resulting in art and Beauty. These are qualities found in a persona, and NOT a possibility let alone a probability foundational or through accidental outcome, in a process exclusively intended to produce organisms for survival and for progress to thrive in qualities of durability that are inherent in biological selections toward the survival and thriving progressively based on durability. So your pattern for outcome is ridiculous and irrational!!!! Side: its stupid
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"On a long enough time scale" lol! This is soooooo irrational! How? Actually demonstrate why it is irrational. We know the earth is close to 4.5 billion years old. On that kind of timescale the types of changes im talking about are not only possible but guaranteed. So unintelligent! This is deception by choice, or its idiot by deception. Says the guy who believes a 2000 year old book when it tells him magic is real. All you smart science people understand patterns in math and science I'm sure, right? You know, we all begin learning this basic fundamental concept in preschool, and we are suppised to build on it, or at least consider patterns with some degree of logical process to outcome! So here is the pattern of evolution you all buy, and think with "long enough time:" Patterns 2 4 6 8 10 11 29 17 83 99 90 92 94 96 98 100 1002 2004 200 300 ... See the pattern has no consistency ...!!! The fuck are you talking about? You cant just take "patterns" as this loose vague concept and slap it over evolution and say that it makes a point. How did you get that pattern? How is it a mathematical expression of evolution? Because to me all i see is you typing a random string of numbers and then going "see?! it makes no sense!". Of course it makes no sense you didnt explain it at all. Mutations produce basic biological needs for evolution selection, BUT no degree of time in basic biological selection for needs EVER become a personally selective process as need toward progress resulting in art and Beauty. Art and beauty are subjective labels that we invented. And what do you mean by personally selective process? Evolution is by means of NATURAL selection. These are qualities found in a persona, and NOT a possibility let alone a probability foundational or through accidental outcome, in a process exclusively intended to produce organisms for survival and for progress to thrive in qualities of durability that are inherent in biological selections toward the survival and thriving progressively based on durability. Its not accidental. Once again you keep harping on this idea that accidents and randomness cannot produce order. First off that premise is not even true and secondly evolution is not accidental nor random. So your pattern for outcome is ridiculous and irrational!!!! Whats ridiculous and irrational is your summation of evolution above. Side: Its not
hahahahhhaha......."those things require even a more nuanced understanding of biology"...........hahahahahha What does that mean? More complications of explaining why you believe in evolution without it ever happening? I thought science was observation and study of facts that can be shown in experiment and repeated....but now it's increasing nuances so you don't need observable data and indisputable facts as proof of what you believe? It's stupid, no nice way to say it. Believing in evolution is stupid. Side: its stupid
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Seriously now.. how are you going to justify comments like that at the gates to Heaven? He has done nothing to you and you attack him. When they ask you, did you accept the Holy Spirit, do you really think you are going to be able to say yes when you behave like that? What a joke you are. I take the piss a lot but I am being deadly seriously with this one. It is truly astounding that you call yourself a Christian. Side: its stupid
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Ah....so you fancy yourself as an expert in Evolution? Oh goody! It happens to me a sub-discipline of my chosen field of study as well. So here is a question for you, just for openers: What is your take on epigenetics? Are you a believer? And how does epigenetics actually oppose--in several instances--with traditional Darwinistic materialists Evolution? As a sub-question.....are you a believer in the theory that the genetic mutations than lead to selective inheritance are truly blind and undirected? Or is there an underlying order, like perhaps a Universal Intelligence, involved? And if so, do you then propagate this into full-on Theistic Evolution? If so...why the vast time periods involved in T.E? Is not One Billion Years before the initial microbial life a bit too long? Thanks. I will be eagerly awaiting your well-thought and erudite response. SS Side: its stupid
I would say that cells having selective memory is possibly an intelligent design for adaptation I think the Creator knew of changes that would occur in nature, as well as animals and us to be instinctively aware of dangers in the environment. Such as poison berries, or how an animal knows to cover their scent or even mask their scent, or to recognize poisonous creatures by their alert of color. Which is actually a Question for you Slapshot - anyone feel free to answer also. If animals adapt and change for their own survival, and there is no memory to adapt for the purpose of assisting other animals in survival for the sole benefit of other species, especially if it keeps food out of the mouth of the predator, Then why would poisonous creatures Mark themselves with alert warnings colors to repel the prey they want to catch and eat? I think just about every venomous animal or insect has markings like a "MR YUCK" sticker! hmm I wonder if there is an intelligent designer who is identifying dangers in nature so there is a chance for survival. I don't think we adapt purposely to show our "true colors" Side: its stupid
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The Genesis Code is a Good movie to watch that discusses science in creation. I for one believe that God created science principles. If you look through and pull out things God uses in His hands to establish His purpose in the midst of our formless, void, dark world. He puts thoughts in minds, hardens hearts of people like Pharoah, rises up Nations to do His will, like Gog in hand will be an instrument of judgement, He will put in their minds what is needed to bring forth His judgment. And its coming, so yeah God is Good and Just. The world has grown to an evil that smells like stench and feces. So, like Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Flood, He is going to close the book on evil once and for all. So He has already set His purpose. He sent His Son who made a way for people, and a gazillion people over 6000 years will enjoy it. But we are now in the 6000th year. The 6th day, the day of man, and we are in the last hours. And if you understood the Bible you would understand its brilliance. There is hidden information He only reveals to people who follow Him, and even them He doesn't reveal everything. Some things are as the Bible literally says, even revealed at appointed times. Meaning it was in there for 2000 3000 years and at the appointed time, we see something in a familiar verse we never saw before. If you need proof as in proof by your own filter, that is designed to filter out truth, then obviously God isn't going to PROVE Himself to you. Duh! Side: its stupid
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On some things I would generally agree it is stupid, however since terms are not clearly defined properly in your post I would be forced to stay on the it is not. My Position Regarding Post: The micro changes to genetic information via Mutation and Natural Selection that decrease genetic information that Observable Evolution is 100% Fact 0 Disagreement with it, Undeniable, however the Theorized Evolution that we all came from one cell 3-3.8 bya then during the Cambrian Explosion multi-celled organisms arose, etc. I generally have disagreements as there is not much evidence to support this. Even though Kent Hovind had some good points in my opinion he wasn't that qualified he could have described how vestigal organs like the Appendix, Tailbone, and others alike are not Vestigal at all, but I will stay neutral on this. Side: Its not
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cannot be disproved unless you deny all the proof? Hhahahhhaah.....that almost makes sense. If you believe in eviloooting, you believe in something you cannot prove, you can't show it happening.......I suggest you watch the video on 100 reasons why it's stupid to believe in evoluton Side: its stupid
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More like 100 reasons people should be better educated on evolution and science in general. I'm not going to do side by side debate of every point because those have been thoroughly discussed for the most part. I will say that just because someone cannot or will not try to truly understand something does not make it stupid. I don't understand advanced mathematics but it is far from stupid. Side: Its not
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