7 reasons liberals are incapable of understanding the world
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You make this too easy. Let's look at his 7. "1) Liberalism creates a feedback loop." - Mirror opposite is also true. Conservative ideology creates a feedback loop. You guys constantly pat yourselves on the back while calling everyone who disagrees an idiot Even the tone and title of this debate is proof of it. "2) Liberals sources of information are ever present." - Funny, because non-conservatives would say conservative sources of disinformation are ever present. Heck you guys paste Breitbart of LifeZette and their kind all over this site. And if anyone dares posting any source not blatantly conservative you just call it lamestream media. "3) Liberals emphasize feeling superior, not superior results." - Mirror can be said again. Conservatives act superior all the time. Also conservatives utterly ignore or attack any data supporting causes they consider liberal, whether it's global warming or the plight of a minority group. You say you want results, but you only consider it a result if it's the result you want to believe. "4) Liberals are big believers in moral relativism." - No, it's more that non-conservatives are big believers that moral absolutes will be used by you conservatives to hurt people. Just look at any extreme action by any extreme religious group in history. We don't want another Inquisition or another ISIS. "5) Liberals tend to view people as parts of groups, not individuals." - Funny, because the conservatives on this site tend to define absolutely everyone who disagrees with them as automatically being liberal Democrats. "6) Liberals take a dim view of personal responsibility." - Nope. Liberals just don't believe every last bad thing that happens to people is their own darn fault for being lazy or bad people. Plus they don't believe conservatives take their own responsibility for things like tax evasion, fraud, bald faced lies, hypocrisy, etc. "7) Liberals give themselves far too much credit just for being liberal." - Mirror image again. Conservatives give themselves far too much credit just for not being liberal. Side: nope
Liberalism can be defined as a state of delusional utopia. The state of caring and compassion and so forth. Dig down deep that is a false claim of caring and compassion. A staggering number of African-American children are raised in single parent homes, compared to the rest of America, and the rest of the world. Where is the so needed help from the compassionate liberals. Side: yep
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Funny, because non-conservatives would say conservative sources of disinformation are ever present I was following you up to here. I'd say it's safe to say that if you want to ignore conservative media, entertainment, and schooling, and even now sports "statements", it's rather easy. Ignoring liberal jibber jabber on tv, academia, and/or Hollywood is like trying to navigate through a maze blindfolded as someone spins you randomly from time to time, all while someone else screams "you're going the wrong way!" every 20 seconds... Side: yep
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Just look at any extreme action by any extreme religious group in history. We don't want another Inquisition or another ISIS If you have to go back to the ancient past to get the goodies, that tells it all. The progressive cult is being violent and in mass, today, in real life, right now, when it affects... things today. We don't have to point any fingers at any forefathers. We can point the finger directly at they themselves. The "your great great grandfather was an asshole, therefore I'm going to be an asshole" argument is weak. Side: yep
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Funny, because the conservatives on this site tend to define absolutely everyone who disagrees with them as automatically being liberal Democrats Maybe I misread where you said conservatism was based on god and liberalism was based on the opposite. I'll go reread it... just for clarification purposes... Side: yep
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Liberals take a dim view of personal responsibility." - Nope. Liberals just don't believe every last bad thing that happens to people is their own darn fault for being lazy or bad people A lot of it is a lot of the time. When you hear a group screaming that Walmart doesn't pay $15 an hour, what does that tell you? They chose to work at Walmart. Baldor is paying $20 an hour right across the street. But then they'd have to work. For $20 an hour you can live in a gated apartment complex, have cable, have Internet, have a vehicle, have a cell phone... not to mention overtime. And Con just told me yesterday that he sees oppression of blacks everywhere because of the conditions they live in. Okay... so why do Asians, who were put into camps, called Japs, and treated like trash get good jobs and live in decent areas? Because their culture didn't take on the victim card. It just moved forward with no excuses and got it done with a culture of hard work. Side: yep
You live in Oklahoma, Bronto. And I'm from Kansas. You know as well as I that the variety and quality of work in some geographic areas does not afford the whole population the luxury of not working at a Wallmart. Indeed if I had stayed in the town where I grew up there would have been little else for me to do there. So I got the F out and stayed out. But for every one of me there are 100 others who due to family or roots chose to stay where they were and then had to pick from a menu of lame or nonexistent choices. And you know what? Despite my being pleased with getting myself out, I'm not looking down my nose at those who didn't. Everyone has their own life to live. And hey, I don't expect them to get rich working at Wallmart. I'm not in favor of doubling minimum wage overnight. But I'm also not going to say they're all lazy bums and they don't deserve to earn enough to live in this society. Standing up for the little guy is not absolving them of personal responsibility. It is acknowledging that there are many factors in society which keep hard working people down and that if we can relieve some of that pressure here or there they might actually make it instead of fail. Because heck, what does it cost society when tons of people fail? A lot more than if you can keep their head above water. And I'm not Con. I'm not going to tell you I see oppression of blacks anywhere. But what I WILL tell you is I don't believe the claim it does NOT exist anywhere. Indeed it does. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. It's not rampant like slavery, and it's not non-existent, so let's cut through the hysteria and talk about it without all the extreme bull. Side: nope
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Mirror image again. Conservatives give themselves far too much credit just for not being liberal Or... on this very site I have claimed to be a poor Christian, don't care if gays get married, and take no hard stance on abortion. There are liberal concepts that I do not oppose simply to "be conservative". I do oppose Marxism and the concept that Islam is imunable to critique while other religions are not. I also oppose people on either side wearing masks and using violence to intimidate those they disagree with. Saying you oppose the kkk, and then burning buildings, attacking Jews and gays and immigrants because they are conservatives at Berkeley doesn't make someone anti-kkk. It makes them the kkk's lost twin sibling. The door of equality swings both ways all the time. Side: yep
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Plus they don't believe conservatives take their own responsibility for things like tax evasion, fraud, bald faced lies, hypocrisy, etc. This is a false equivalency. These aren't "conservative traits". They are liberal and conservative traits, aka "human traits". The idea of making excuses for peoples' bad circumstances is well known as a liberal trait. Side: yep
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