Challenge Debate: 9/11 was a false flag event
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Firstly let it be said that despite the undeniable recent attacks by Islamic extremists it is not plausible to believe that 19 terrorists could have successfully committed the attacks of 911. 2nd, my opponent did very little to show proof that terrorist had anything to do with 911, instead providing character references and stating their obvious objectives. However intent alone is not proof. 1. Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi were said to have trained at a flight school in Florida in a single propeller plane. Their flight instructors described them as having "average" or even "very poor" piloting skills. 2. Veteran pilots of every conceivable background have stated that it would be impossible for two amateur pilots trained in a single engine plane to maneuver a 767 the way that was reported. 3. The F.B.I. supposedly found a passport of one of the terrorists a couple blocks away from the twin towers. This proposes that a paper passport somehow managed to get outside the plane that was supposedly incinerated in the initial impact and then flew a couple blocks away in almost mint condition. It's important to note that not one body aboard either flight was found. So this passport magically flew out of the terrorists possession and then out of the fireball to land safely on the ground. Its also important to not that the black boxes were "never found" Black boxes are almost as indestructible as the engines of these planes. Built to withstand a crash with a full load of fuel. 4. According to the 9/11 commission report (supported by NIST and FEMA) the Twin Towers fell due to fire. However, hundreds of engineers and architects have come forth stating that it is not possible. History has examples of skyscrapers that were ablaze far longer and were more consumed by fire but did not collapse. The WTC engineers specifically designed the Twin Towers to withstant multiple planes striking them. Its important to note that no skyscraper in history has collapsed due to fire, but we were told 3 did in one day. 5. WTC 7 was not struck by a plane and only had minimal fires and yet it collapsed at free fall speed into its own footprint. This is indicative of a controlled demolition as many demolition experts have spoken out. Side: Was a false flag conspiracy
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CucumberHole: "my opponent did very little to show proof that terrorist had anything to do with 911." I did point out that Al Queda/Osama Ben Laden took credit for the attack. He also then began baiting the U.S. with more claims and more threats even at risk to his own life, which later was taken by U.S. forces. He also was behind the first attack in 1993. We also know that "said" 9/11 report is damning to Saudi Arabia, an Islamic nation of the denomination of Wahhabism, the ideology of ISIS, apocalyptic in nature, and a strict adherant to Sharia Law where punishments and justice are extreme. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/sep/1/20030901-102359-9067r/ The melting point of steel, depending on the alloy, is 2,000+ degrees Farenheit. https://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint01.html We have no way to know the exact temperature inside the World Trade Centers, but we do know people decided to bail out of windows, accepting a free-fall death over being cooked alive. What we do not know is what all was in the planes nor what was in the buildings. Every building will have MSDS somewhere. Now what was actually in these buildings and how much oxygen was being sucked in and out like a fire starter enraging the heat? Many chemicals burn well hotter than 3,000 degrees. An example being Cyanogen, which can burn at over 8,000 degrees Farenheit. Who can say what was in the cabinets, the closets, or the disposable hazardous waste containers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame JIHADIST 101 CucumberHole "However intent alone is not proof." But intent and motive are needed as a variable in judging this case. The nature and methods of Islamic extremists has no bounds. They behead children, mass rape women, burn people alive, and drown people in cages with no remorse. The Taliban blew up over 100 girls' schools for issues as basic as not wearing hijabs in class or simply being female. 9/11 simply fits the narrative of a typical jihadist mind. It has no mind or soul. Killing 3,000 people in one day is not above the mind of someone who beheads a 4 year old girl then forces her mother to soak her hands in her own child's blood. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MalalaYousafzai Boko Haram takes children and? Sets them on fire to be burned alive. CucumberHole "Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi were said to have trained at a flight school in Florida in a single propeller plane. Their flight instructors described them as having "average" or even "very poor" piloting skills." This accounts for 2 of the 19. They may not have been the pilots. Of the 19, we also do not know who received training elsewhere in the world. Most Islamic countries have an airforce and flights coming in and out of those countries. One can claim you need great skills to fly the plane, but that would be to fly it well. The mission wasn't to fly well, but to crash. We also do not know how long the American pilots were alive or in control of the aircrafts. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/wahhabism-isis-and-the-saudi-connection/ https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/ Side: Was not a false flag
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(Clue 1) Since 9/11, Islamic extremists have went on a terrorism spree in the West. http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/07/big-list-of-muslim-terror-attacks-in-u-s-since-911/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofIslamistterroristattacks In 2015, 450 of 452 suicide bombers were Islamic. Islamic extremists seem to have destruction and devastation of things in the West on their minds. (Clue 2) Osama Ben Laden and Al Queda took credit for the attack. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/10/30/bin-laden-claims-responsibility-for-11.html (Clue 3) Muslims attacked the twin towers 8 years earlier in 1993. https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/05/us/1993-world-trade-center-bombing-fast-facts/ (Clue 4) The 9/11 hijackers underwent flight training school in the United States, 9/11 happened, and they are now nowhere to be found. Many of these hijackers were caught on camera in verifiable 9/11 planes' related locations and verified by name by hotel records. https://www.wanttoknow.info/911/9-11summaryarticles/010923postterroristflighttraining The 9/11 Report shows that Saudi Arabia helped fund 9/11. Even Barack Obama, who plays patty cake with Islam at every turn and protects it, never denied this being true. He DID mention that the victims could not sue Saudi Arabia because a precident would be set that allows other countries to in turn sue us. https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/ (Clue 6) Hijacking planes is rather normal Islamic extremist behavior. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirFranceFlight8969 During one hijacking of an Egyptian plane, Muslims in mass, took to twitter saying they "wished they had been on the hijacked planes". https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/03/ (Clue 7) The Quran, Sunnah, and Hadith are full fledged "hate speech" of commands to kill non-Muslims. Side: Was not a false flag
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