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9G - Dams, good or bad?

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Side Score: 142
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Side Score: 209
Winning Side!
4 points

Dams will create a vast opportunity for people who don't have jobs. An increase of jobs will mean less poverty and less crime rates. People will be able to be financially stable. For example, the Grand renaissance dam will provide people will around 12,000 jobs and that will help many Ethiopians who live in poverty.

Side: Good
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
3 points

This is not true due to the fact that because of the Ilisu Dam, many fisherman, who used the river for fishing would lose their job. Another example is that, the farmers prior to the dam had a lot of land to grow crops and raise livestock. Due to their relocation, they did not have any land to make any money from agriculture and livestock as they did before the dam.

Side: Bad
amir1129(7) Disputed
2 points

While it does provide jobs for people in need, these jobs will NOT make up the amount of money loss for the dam to be built. For example, the Belo Monte Dam, despite providing 19,000 jobs for the people, will cost by the end of its construction an estimate of 18 billion dollars, an amount that the money that 19,000 jobs cannot make up for. Also, since the dam was originally estimated 13 billion dollars at the end, it shows that the total cost can easily increase.

Side: Bad
Kendra(18) Disputed
2 points

I disagree. For example, the three gorges dam may have some economic benefits, but this is nothing compared to the million people that were displaced, and potentially millions more if something doesn’t change.

Side: Bad
Asode(10) Disputed
1 point

While this is true in most cases, having to provide jobs for those displaced, and monetary compensation, or construction of residences for those people could prove to be very harmful. Countries like China whose debt is 5.3 trillion dollars, should not have to spend this large sum of money on top of the building cost of a dam to provide locals with jobs, homes, or some form of compensation.

Side: Bad
1 point

I agree. Also, the jobs people receive during the construction of the dam will only be a temporary source of income. Once the project is complete, employees will have to find work elsewhere.

Side: Bad
3 points

Although there are some disadvantages, I believe that dams bring many advantages that can improve people's lives. Many people focus on the people who have to resettle, but I think that producing sufficient electricity and water is more important than that.

In the process of constructing the Ilisu dam, many people will have to leave their hometown, but at the same time, it will produce an immense amount of electricity which will make up for the shortage of electricity in Turkey.

Side: Good
nabil(8) Disputed
3 points

Jobs are scarce in the location in which the people are being displaced. Yes the amount of electricity is really necessary for Turkey, but keep in mind that the lifespan of the Ilisu dam is around 50-70 years. Is it worth it to displace over 25 thousand citizens for 50 years?

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
3 points

As I have already said and supported in my dispute to Sarah's dispute, employment will increase not decrease. Yes, I definitely believe it is worth to displace over 25 thousand citizens for 50-70 years. As already supported by you the amount of electricity is really necessary for Turkey. This source of electricity is also inexpensive, sustainable and predictable. Also, if the displaced people are given a better life to start with better employment there is no harm in building of this dam.

Side: Good
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
1 point

This is not true due to the fact that because of the Ilisu Dam, many fisherman, who used the river for fishing would lose their job. Another example is that, the farmers prior to the dam had a lot of land to grow crops and raise livestock. Due to their relocation, they did not have any land to make any money from agriculture and livestock as they did before the dam.

Side: Bad
riaroy(6) Disputed
1 point

Yes, people do have to be just relocated but when you think about it most of the people that have to be relocated are from unprivileged communities. For example, The Narmada Sardar Sarovar Dam, has caused over 200,000 people to be relocated most of which are rely on their farm land for their main source of income . The government states that there will be a R & R program (resettlement & rehabilitation) for the tribal and native community in the area but those ended up be broken promises.

Side: Bad
yasminem1(1) Disputed
-1 points

In some countries such as India, Thousands of people are told by the Indian government that they will have to be relocated as their ancestral lands are flooded out every monsoon season. Even though the dam would make up for the shortage of electricity in Turkey, many people are left homeless.

Side: Bad
mariuspotma Disputed
2 points

Wow. The thousands of people are nothing compared to the millions of people given a chance to actually start a new life thanks to the dam.

Side: Good
3 points

Dams are good because they provide environmental benefits, they increase amount of water during dry season, a reduction of bacteria and biochemical oxygen demand, allowing the water to be cleaner.An example of this is the Belo Monte Dam the dam environmentally friendly and does not release any greenhouse gases as well as will have huge deposits of offshore oil and gas and will prevent floods from seeping onto fertile land around the area, which could be used as trade.

Side: Good
Mahmoudizzle(10) Disputed
2 points

The Belo Monte dam created a lot of problems, as many people protested. It is not benefit the environment, as the rain forest, a place that provides us with 25% of our medicine, is being chopped down to make the Belo Monte dam.

Side: Bad
amir1129(7) Disputed
2 points

The Belo Monte Dam may not release greenhouse gases, however, parts of a carbon sink within the Amazon rainforest will be depleted. Also, the dam is not that environmentally friendly, as it will cut down 1500 km of the rainforest, which will lead to the loss of natural resources and more.

Side: Bad
Asode(10) Disputed
2 points

While what you said is true for the most part, dams have also been known to not only displace locals but also push animals indigenous to the area out of their natural habitat. Take the Three Gorges Dam as an example, this dam ended up causing the extinction of a rare Chinese River Dolphin. Many dams face this issue including a dam in Egypt the Grand Renaissance Dam, which poses a threat to Nile Crocodiles.

Side: Bad
LorEn(9) Disputed
1 point

When you state "Economically friendly" do you not recognize that most dams lead to deforestation and destruction of land through mass irrigation. An example of deforestation is the Bello monte where already Brazil is facing over deforestation of the rainforest.

Side: Bad
MateoCastro(8) Disputed
4 points

The rainforest is still being killed without the existence of dams through excess of carbon dioxide. The dams will not only provide extreme amounts of electricity but will also protect the rainforest.The Belo Monte Dam however provides 17% of Brazil's electricity and 73% of Paraguay’s. An improvement has been made to decrease the amount of land being flooded, Brazilian government has decided to build a canal instead of a reservoir, this canal will cause 500 km squares of land to flood instead of 1800.

Side: Good
3 points

Overall, more people in total are being heavily benefitting. Only a small fraction of the people are not benefitting, but then again most of those people will be provided with money or housing to live. Millions of people all over the world are finally being given a chance. They can now make some proper money with agriculture for example in the Narmada Sarovar Dam in India. 40 million people are finally given the chance to start a healthy and "proper" life rather than the 200,000 people having to relocate.

Side: Good
3 points

I strongly support this argument, since by displacing a few people the number of beneficiaries is a lot larger than the displaced people. Besides, even displaced persons are beneficiaries since in their relocation sites there are a lot more employment opportunities. For example, the relocation sites of the people in the Ilisu dam will create 10,000 new jobs and with the creation of a tourist center, tourism will be given a boost, thereby bringing more income only to the people.

Side: Good
LorEn(9) Disputed
1 point

Does the delegate not realise that the sum is over 250,000 and the people are usually left to fend for themselves, ignored by the government. On top of that the delegated has stated that it provides agricultural needs however if the Narmada dam overflows again such as when it did in 2013 it could cripple the economy as it would mean destruction of many crops and property.

Side: Bad
MohamedAS(5) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with your argument because you are stating that people will be getting new homes after the old ones have been destroyed, but in reality yes people will be getting new homes, but they will have to pay for them, which some families can not afford, as well as some houses do not fit the needs of families, such as providing sheds for livestock, etc. It would be the same as someone breaking your laptop and then saying "Oh don't worry, Ill give you a new one, but you have to pay me a lot of money for it" it is just unfair to the people who are losing there homes and farms, some even their business for a simple dam, it is a complete violation of human rights.

Side: Bad
Mahmoudizzle(10) Disputed
0 points

A small fraction of people that are not benefiting still means something, as they are still people and do not deserve to be treated any differently to the people who are benefiting.

Side: Bad
3 points

Because dams can prevent floods and droughts, it can also give positive impacts on agriculture.

as i said before turkey is currently facing droughts, but if the Ilisu dam starts activating, people will be able to grow more crops, and they will have more food supplies.

Side: Good
Ailiya Disputed
1 point

You said dams have positive impacts on agriculture, but some dams, like Narmada Sardar Sarovar dam because the constant irrigation leads to an increase in water salination, which degrades the fertile soil. Therefore, making the land toxic for plant and animal species.

Supporting Evidence: Proof (umich.edu)
Side: Bad
MohamedAS(5) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with your argument mainly because that is not possible, because all the water inside the Ilisu dam is deprived of oxygen, This means that all the minerals required are not reaching the water because of the dam. This area is known as the ecological dead zone because it kills all the fish in the water, and so people will not be able to use the water neither to grow crops and/or eat the food sources inside due to the fact that there will be none.

Side: Bad
3 points

Dams have many agricultural benefits. They will benefit agricultural lands because if there are no dams, there will be uncontrollable floods and no steady water flow which mean agricultural lands will be destroyed. For example, the grand renaissance dam has no steady water flow and uncontrollable floods meaning peoples homes will be destroyed. Meanwhile with the grand renaissance dam no agricultural lands will be destroyed and people will not loose their homes to floods.

Side: Good
3 points

Many people say that dams are not good for the environment, but once the dam starts producing electricity, it will not emit any CO2.

on the other hand, fossil fuels emit an immense amount of CO2

Side: Good
2 points

Moreover, dams can adjust the amount of water, which therefore can improve the environment. They can prevent floods and droughts from happening.

For example, Turkey is currently facing water shortage and droughts. However, the once the Ilisu dam starts activating, these problems will be solved.

Side: Good
2 points

A lot of major dams, such as the Grand Renaissance dam in Ethiopia, are placed in developing countries. These dams create electricity to help power their country and region, as the country is still developing the clean and renewable energy made from the dam is a major benefit. To destroy these dams is not a good idea as they make clean energy but don't burn any fossil fuels. This is a major benefit with no negative.

Side: Good
2 points

The Grand Ethiopian dam for example, The result will be saving of over 6 BCM of water for the Nile system annually.

Another environmental benefit is that the dam will reduce the chances of flooding downstream and drought, enabling the country to better combat climate change which is worsening these factors.

Flood protection will prevent settled areas from being destroyed through rising river levels, benefitting Sudan and Egypt as well as Ethiopia.

Side: Good
1 point

Hello,

I believe that dams are built for the better. I say that dams are great for the environment, and save a lot of lives by being creating green energy without producing any greenhouse gases which affect climate change. My dam, The Three Gorges Dam, produced 10% China's electrical needs. This greatly reduced the use of coal in China, as they use a lot of coal to generate their power. The use of less coal positively impacts China's air pollution issue by reducing the number of Particulate Matter that spreads through the air while also not producing any green house gases to harm the global climate.

Side: Good
Ailiya Disputed
2 points

You said that dams reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but when the Belo Monte Dam is built, it will flood the vegetation in the region. The decaying plants that have submerged in the water will decompose, producing Methe. This greenhouse gas will rise through the water and escape in the atmosphere.

Supporting Evidence: Belo Monte Dam (intercontinentalcry.org)
Side: Bad
ArjunS(4) Disputed
2 points

Even then, the dam is still producing electricity without the use of fossil fuels. The dam will still decrease the need for fossil fuels which will reduce the greenhouse gas emissions. The Three Gorges Dam, for example, reduces coal usage by 31 million tons per year, this dramatically decreases the greenhouse gas emissions in China as 10% of their electrical needs are being produced by the dam alone. Even though the Belo Monte Dam will cause the methane to enter the atmosphere, the energy it produces will all be clean. Seeing as the dam is expected to open in 2019, the government (or whoever is funding the project) can clear the forest before the construction is completed. This would solve the issue of decomposing vegetation and the methane that it produces.

Side: Good
riaroy(6) Disputed
1 point

I disagree dams are not "great for the environment". One example is the Narmada Sardar Sarovar Dam, it has caused the soil to be toxic to some species of plants, it has submerges thousands of acres of forest land which even harm many animals that lived there and it increases the risks of earthquakes.

Side: Bad
1 point

Dams are a necessity to the ever rising demand of electricity. Dams are a source of inexpensive, constant and predictable amount of electricity.Additionally, they are a renewable source of energy for the whole world. The Ilisu dam in Turkey for example will be providing Turkey with 2% of its electricity giving a push to its economy,since Turkey currently imports its energy from limited sources such as coal, which has major environmental repercussions.

Side: Good
3 points

I agree with your statement as 83% of the people who live in Ethiopia will be supplied with cheap and renewable electricity due to the building of the grand renaissance dam.

Side: Good
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
3 points

During your presentation proposing why this dam was negative, you stated that the historical loss will be minimal. How will a 12 THOUSAND year old Ancient city being flooded due to a 50 year project be minimal? As a said before, the Turkish government has set aside 25 million euros to move ancient artifacts and structures from the city of hasankeyf before 2016 but Archeologists say that 80% of the structures and artifacts are too fragile to move and would break.

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
1 point

First of all I was proposing that this dam was positive. The Ilisu dam is only flooding the lower reaches of the ancient town. I also mentioned that important immovable artifacts will be preserved within the flooded areas thereby minimizing the historical impact. While I do understand that a 12 THOUSAND year old ancient city does have major historical value, it should be noted that the Turkish government is doing a lot to preserve this history. Additionally, some sacrifices have to be made for the greater good.

Side: Good
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
1 point

You also argued that the villagers will move to a modernized Hasankeyf with new facilities. This is a true statement, although the city earned most of its money from tourism as it was a very popular destination for tourist. The dam has a major impact on the villagers along with the tourism and economy.

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
1 point

I stay committed to my argument that tourism will get a boost. With better facilities in a modernized Hasankeyf more people can not only stay in better environments but will also be attracted to it. The creation of a tourist center which will host water sports and diving activities will also play a major role in this increase. All of these will boost tourism, in specific and thus, the economy as a whole.

Side: Good
amir1129(7) Disputed
1 point

While dams do provide resources such as electricity, many other resources will be lost, and the project itself will be expensive way to gain other resources. An example would be the Belo Monte Dam. The total cost by the end of its construction is estimated to cost 18 billion US dollars, being a huge economical hit to not only the government, but the society, as well. Also, due to neighboring regions such as sections of the Amazon rainforest being taken down in order to provide space, natural resources such as 25% of medicine found in that region will be lost, and the gain of resources such as electricity will not be able to make up for it.

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
1 point

That is not the only region of the Amazon which has the 25% of medicine being spoken about here. I believe that the gain of resources will make up for it. Also, as explained in one of my earlier disputes dams are economically beneficial in the long run. I also heard that some of the trees being taken down for the Belo Monte Dam will be replaced by newly planted trees else where. Even if these trees do not completely make up for the environmental loss alone, coupled with renewable and green energy from the dam they surely will make up for that loss.

Side: Good
amir1129(7) Disputed
1 point

While dams do provide resources such as electricity, many other resources will be lost, and the project itself will be expensive way to gain other resources. An example would be the Belo Monte Dam. The total cost by the end of its construction is estimated to cost 18 billion US dollars, being a huge economical hit to not only the government, but the society, as well. Also, due to neighboring regions such as sections of the Amazon rainforest being taken down in order to provide space, natural resources such as 25% of medicine found in that region will be lost, and the gain of resources such as electricity will not be able to make up for it.

Side: Bad
MohamedAS(5) Disputed
1 point

Although dams do provide a lot of electricity, they will not last for long, the Ilisu dam that you are talking about here was estimated to survive for a maximum of 50 years as it will eventually break down due to sedimentation. You also stated the dams will give push to economies, when in reality they don't. Dams are very expensive to build, for example the Ilisu dam which was built for $38,000,000 completely destroyed the Turkish economy, leaving them even more in debt than they ever were, putting them going more in debt $900/s, which put Turkey in a bad place.

Side: Bad
MateoCastro(8) Disputed
2 points

Civil engineers say that the life of a dam is between 50-60 years, of the 87,000 dams in the US, 85% will be that age by 2020, many removal projects are on the way.The lifespan of a dam is approximately 50 years old.. meaning the land that is flooded will one day dry out and return to being what it once was, the dam will actually not destroy the rainforest, the area which is flooded will just be inaccessible during 50 years.

Side: Good
1 point

Dams can also adjust the amount of water, and therefore, they can prevent floods and droughts.

Turkey is currently facing water shortage and extreme droughts, but once the Ilisu dam starts activating, these issues will be solved,

Side: Good
Asode(10) Disputed
2 points

However dams also increase the likelihood of earthquakes, landslides and the such, which can be catastrophic to the towns, and villages surrounding the dam if it ends up collapsing.

Side: Bad
mariuspotma Disputed
2 points

Natural disasters may happen slightly more often, but the architects and developers of the dam did their research to make sure the dams would not collapse. If a natural disaster happens, the jobs that people got provided with because of the dam would help with paying for your house.

Side: Good
1 point

The construction of Renaissance dam directly or indirectly will affect many parts of the economy.

The first and the direct impact of EGRD is to increase the energy supply from current 2000MW to 8000MW.

In other word it increases the Energy supply by 400 percent.

This improves the quality and quantity of energy available in the country.

According to various study a unit percent increase

in energy supply increases economic growth by at least one percent.

Therefore, when renaissances dam start operation the national economy increase by an additional 4 percent.

In other word the nation manages to produce an additional of a billion USD National Products which is great news for Ethiopia considering it lies in the depth of poverty

Side: Good
1 point

The construction of Renaissance dam directly or indirectly will affect many parts of the economy.

The first and the direct impact of EGRD is to increase the energy supply from current 2000MW to 8000MW.

In other word it increases the Energy supply by 400 percent.

This improves the quality and quantity of energy available in the country.

According to various study a unit percent increase

in energy supply increases economic growth by at least one percent.

Therefore, when renaissances dam start operation the national economy increase by an additional 4 percent.

In other word the nation manages to produce an additional of a billion USD National Products which is great news for Ethiopia considering it lies in the depth of poverty

Side: Good
yasminem1(1) Disputed
1 point

Damming some rivers like the Narmada Sardar Sarovar in India will weaken the fertile agricultural soils because of to continuous irrigation rather the seasonal irrigation which is dependent on the monsoon, and salinization, making the soil toxic to many plant species.

Side: Bad
1 point

In addition, the GERD will help control floods by holding out the water when there's heavy rain

Side: Good
1 point

The dam will also serve as a bridge across the Blue Nile and act as an easy path for citizens to travel from

Side: Good
Mahmoudizzle(10) Disputed
1 point

Why would anyone need to cross a bridge that they live no where near to? who would be left to cross the bridge after the government re-locates everyone living near-by, making them pay extra as well to get new homes (the homes won't even be any better.) Even if anyone was to cross the bridge, they'd risk many things as it is very dangerous as the likes of Egypt and Sudan are against the building of this dam! Imagine the problems that will be made! how could a country SECRETLY develop a dam?!

Side: Bad
1 point

A dam acts as a reservoir, instead of letting the water flood farmlands, it is kept in a reservoir and then used for many different purposes, like irrigating farmlands and drinking water. In developing countries, such as Ethiopia, clean water is scarce for the poor but because of dams, that is not a problem anymore. Also, in the dry seasons, water from the dam will irrigate farms to keep crops growing and the economy moving. This also benefits all the farmers as their crops can not only be sold in their country but also in neighboring ones.

Side: Good
1 point

Dams are also beneficial to the country since they serve the purpose of flood control. By controlling floods, the dam saves potential loss of crops or loss of life thereby, protecting the economy. This is a great benefit to the economy and saves its potential collapse making for another strong support to why dams are good. In the case of the Ilisu dam, it will also serve as a point for stronger relationships between countries since the Ilisu dam will control floods in the neighboring Iraq and Syria.

Side: Good
0 points

Dams will regulate the steady water flow throughout the year and it will avoid un-expected flooding to downstream countries.

Side: Good
nabil(8) Disputed
1 point

Not necessarily, for example once the Ilisu dam is completed it will flood the historic city of Hasankeyf.

Side: Bad
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with your argument as dam flood a large area of land which creates the lake. But before the flood there were plants and animals that live on this land. So the animals must leave the area along with many of them dying, such as fish and heavily endangered species. If they die then there will be no more left of them in the world. For example, in the Ilisu dam, there is the soft-shell turtle which only exists in the Tigris and Euphrates. With the dam, it caused the species to become heavily endangered and there will be a lot less in the world as they only exist in these few rivers. Trees and plants die under the water as well, which were a part of the farmers land.

Side: Bad
0 points

By contrast evaporation loss from the full development of the GERHDP is likely to be no more than 0.4 BCM.

In fact, the development of GERHDP will encourage the decommissioning of wasteful dams like Jebel Aulia and reduce the operating level of the Aswan High Dam, and other dams in Sudan.

Side: Good
-7 points
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
2 points

Although I believe your statement about the carbon is true, your statement about it being ecofriendly is not. How is it ecofriendly for a dam to cause the death of thousands of animals beneficial for the environment.

Side: Bad
1 point

I agree. The hydroelectricity means that the environment will be safe since no pollution or green house emissions will be released into the air.

Side: Good
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
2 points

I disagree as for example, the Three Gorges Dam caused the the flooding of the country, which then caused the break of factories which then caused chemicals and waste to release into the water, therefore the dam has caused the water and air to become polluted.

Side: Bad
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
1 point

I disagree as for example, the Three Gorges Dam caused the the flooding of the country, which then caused the break of factories which then caused chemicals and waste to release into the water, therefore the dam has caused the water and air to become polluted.

Side: Bad
nabil(8) Disputed
1 point

How about all the money that is used to create this dam? Also you say they are beneficial in all aspects, give examples. Furthermore, the argument isn't about the carbon emissions it is about the water cycle and how the excessive use of water will contribute to unstable weather patterns.

Side: Bad
Kendra(18) Disputed
1 point

While the Dams might not pollute the air, they certainly aren't eco-friendly. Take the Three Gorges dam for example. The dam has collected a layer of garbage 60 centimeters deep, and 50,000 square meters across.

Side: Bad
Mahmoudizzle(10) Disputed
-1 points

They are not beneficial economically, as all the countries that are building dams are already in debt, and they will lose even more money by building dams.

Side: Bad
ArjunS(4) Disputed
1 point

Many dams have saved large areas of land from being flooded/damaged. This potentially saves a lot of money even though the dam itself cost a lot. This easily outweighs the cost of construction as homes, farmland, forests, and villages may be devastated by floods that would have been prevented by a dam. The Three Gorges Dam in China, prevented a huge flood in 2009, it saved tens of thousands of lives along with the damages that could've been caused.

Side: Good
Ishika(1) Disputed
0 points

the construction of the Grand renaissance dam will be a very profitable resolution, considering no fuel is used and we also know that the prices of fossil fuels are increasing resulting in higher costs made on the production of electricity.

Side: Good
8 points

Dams cost billions of dollars as well, making all the third world countries, like Ethiopia even more in debt, meaning they will have to cut down on the many things they provide for people just to make a dam, which is already 300% over-sized.

Side: Bad
5 points

I agree with this statement as the Ilisu Dam also created many financial issues due to a financial loss as European agencies backed out of the financial aid for the the dam, as the dam did not reach the environmental and cultural preservation standards.

Side: Bad
3 points

I agree with this claim, dams can cost a lot of money to make, one can not ignore the cost of the creation of dams.

Side: Bad
1 point

I support your argument because the Belo Monte dam cost $18 billion alone, and an estimation of an additional sixty dams are supposed to be built in the Amazon by 2020.

Side: Bad
karanaimed(3) Disputed
2 points

The billions of dollars spent on the building of dams are also funded by other countries, like the Grand Renaissance dam in Ethiopia is funded by China, the money needed from the people is not such a problem as they get a lot of job opportunities from the construction of the dam. At the end of the day, the people have got their money and have gotten work experience which can lead to better jobs.

Side: Good
LorEn(9) Disputed
2 points

The fact that other nations fund a project doesn't change the cost and it's true that jobs are provided yet these are temporary and the wages are pitiful, people would be better off farming in they're destroyed lands than working at the dam.

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
2 points

Dams are actually a profitable source of income not only for the government but also the people. While dams, do require an initial capital investment once built the electricity they provide is inexpensive. Through this, the government can further provide a more sustainable supply of electricity which will benefit the economy. Also, the dam's electricity not only builds governments revenue over selling the electricity but also cuts government spending since they don't have to import electricity from outside sources, thereby,slowly and sustainably pulling them out of debt.

Side: Good
rikam(8) Disputed
2 points

You mentioned the negative impacts on the economy, but actually, dams will provide jobs to many people.

Side: Good
7 points

Initially, dams can cause a displacement of various citizens in a country. Take the Ilisu dam for example, the creation of this dam will cause a displacement of over 25000 Turkish citizens.

Side: Bad
Xena(22) Disputed
6 points

I disagree. The dams will provide people with a big number of jobs. The citizens that will be relocated will move to a safer place with electricity and water supply most of which comes from the dam. For example, the citizens relocated with the building of the grand renaissance dam will move to a safer village with plenty of electricity and water supply.

Side: Good
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
1 point

This is not true due to the fact that because of the Ilisu Dam, many fisherman, who used the river for fishing would lose their job. Another example is that, the farmers prior to the dam had a lot of land to grow crops and raise livestock. Due to their relocation, they did not have any land to make any money from agriculture and livestock as they did before the dam.

Side: Bad
5 points

Another example would be the Three Gorges Dam,which displaced over a million Chinese residents against their will.

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
1 point

The displacement and rehabilitation of people against their will, while is not always pleasant must be done for the greater good of society. If those displaced people get a better life, with access to energy and clean drinking water the dam is definitely a beneficiary to them.

Side: Good
Ishika(1) Disputed
2 points

The Dams also industrialize the country considering it provides job opportunities for over12000 people. And also those people who are displaced will easily be re located to another area and will be provided with water supply.

Side: Good
nabil(8) Disputed
4 points

How about after the dam is created? Did you know that the cost of a house in the new location the government is providing the Turkish citizens is over eight times the amount of their original homes? These are people we are talking about, as humans we need to be more sympathetic to their needs.

Side: Bad
sarahmadani(17) Disputed
1 point

They will not be easily relocated. For example, due the Ilisu dam, the locals will have to be relocated. The houses prior to the dam cost 20,000 liras whereas the houses after the relocation cost 70,000 liras. Along with this, the houses did not suit their needs.

Side: Bad
2 points

One more example of this is that Narmada Sardar Sarovar Damhas which has cause over 200,000 people to be relocated. Most of which are from unprivileged and trial communities. Most of these people also relied on their land to get their main source of income.

Side: Bad
6 points

I believe dams should not believe dams should not be built as it affects all three aspects of the society such as the economical, social and ecological aspects. This is because first of all, a dam might create great conflicts with the bordering countries as it can sparks wars with the countries, as it can cause droughts. This was the case with the Ilisu dam of Turkey.

A social aspect that is affected is the human rights of people. Every dam that was presented affected thousands of lives due to relocation. For example the Ilisu Dam caused the people to become relocated to housing in which did not suit their needs.

Lastly, the dams create conflicts in the ecological aspects, as it blocks the migration of fish, cause the endangerment of the heavily threatened soft-shell turtle along with 12 other heavily endangered species.

Side: Bad
6 points

Dams often cause a huge dent on the economy of the country constructing it, often at times the estimated cost is not accurate and the actual cost of a dam after construction is through the roof of other projections. Take the three gorges dam, the cost estimated by the Chinese government was around 8 billion USD, when the dam once completed costed 22.5 billion USD. An increase of 14.5 billion USD.

Side: Bad
mariuspotma Disputed
1 point

This money is INVESTED by the Chinese government though. They know that they will benefit more than loose more. Providing electricity and clean freshwater from the dam will eventually become a profit. China doesn't care to much about money since they are technically the richest country in the world. People>Money

Side: Good
5 points

Also, dams can cause flooding of historic cites. Take the Ilisu dam for example, the creation of this dam had caused the flood of the historic city Hasankeyf.

Side: Bad
3 points

I agree with you, many dams devastate human lives and biodiversity by flooding thousands of acres of forests and agricultural land. The Dam In India (Narmada Sardar Sarovar Dam) floods a lot of some of India's most fertile land.

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
3 points

I however dispute this claim. India is one of the most fertile countries in the world. While this flooding of forests will destroy some agricultural land, this is only a small fraction of India's fertile land. This land's crop yield will be very easily recovered since by providing irrigation to other drought prone areas crop yields will increase giving a further push to the economy.

Side: Good
2 points

I agree as the loss of 12,000 year old city for a short-term dam project is not worth the loss. Therefore, the cons (economical, social, and environmental impacts) outweigh the pros.

Side: Bad
mariuspotma Disputed
1 point

It is not a short-term project as dams can be renovated with technologies these days. It is not the Turkish government who want money, but it is the Turkish government that want people to live better lives with more food, money, electricity and jobs. The 12,000 year old city does therefore not outweigh the pros.

Side: Good
5 points

I believe dams should not be built due to the loss of historical losses. For example, regarding the Ilisu Dam, even if they are able to preserve the artifacts from becoming damaged from the flooding of the Hasankeyf town, the land itself, where the footprint of civilization started is becoming destroyed along with its many beautiful ancient artifacts.The government has set aside 25 million euros to move ancient artifacts and structures from the city of hasankeyf before 2016 but Archeologists say that 80% of the structures and artifacts are too fragile to move and would break. They believe that they will make a positive impact if they transform this site into a scuba diving site, although it will not become a long-term center, as the water will start to destroy the artifacts if they are not able to spend a fortune on preserving them underwater.

(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140221-tigris-river-dam-hasankeyf-turkey-iraq-water/)

Side: Bad
5 points

Dams will trigger many negatives to society. One of the most notable cons is it's ecological impact. Since dams require so much space in order to save more water, many natural and neighboring regions must be taken down in order to provide the space needed. This leads to many homes, animals, and natural resources lost in those neighboring regions. For example, in order to increase the size of the Belo Monte Dam, the Brazilian government had issued a command to cut down sections of the Amazon rainforest, which in total, would lead to the loss of 1500 km of the rainforest being taken down. This will not only increase deforestation rates and encourage more of it, but animals taking residence in that region will lose their homes and breeding points, and putting them in danger. 25% of medicine is received from natural resources from the forest, thus having a negative impact on humans, too. This is a common aspect in dams, and will have a great negative to the environment.

Side: Bad
karanaimed(3) Disputed
2 points

The dams have water reservoirs, instead of the rainfall and river water flooding lands, it is saved and used irrigate farmlands and given to the people as clean drinking, the dams also create clean energy which is sold at cheap prices to the region.

Side: Good
amir1129(7) Disputed
2 points

While water is preserved, there could be a cheaper way against this. Flood barriers are a great, and cheap way to prevent the overflow of water. Also, for example, the Belo Monte Dam, while it does prevent floods and preserve water, it'll lead to the loss of important season floodwaters, and will divert the water flow of the Xingu River.

Side: Bad
4 points

I do not believe believe that dams should not be built in general as many countries need them, there must be changes in order it save the lives of fish, minimize certain human rights and political issues. One change that can be made is by creating a migrating passage for fish in order to save them from dying due to the dams. Another change that could be made in order to rescue endangered species by relocating them. A third solution should be that local people should be led into confidence and must be suitably re-settled. This was a problem with the Ilisu dam as the housing that the local people were resettled to did not accommodate their needs.

Side: Bad
4 points

The dam's will take a huge toll on biodiversity as it will harm many if not all the creatures residing in the river. Due to the dam constricting the current of the river many fish use this to their advantage and without it die out. This affects humans as well, many peasants rely on fishing as a source of income and food not to mention that this could take a more immense toll on the community in the future as it could lead to the extinction of many animals they use.

Side: Bad
karanaimed(3) Disputed
2 points

The people losing their jobs in the fisheries gain back jobs from the construction and maintenance of the dam.

Side: Good
LorEn(9) Disputed
2 points

The jobs provided by the dam are usually temporary and most if not all the workers are not ex residents of the community.

Side: Bad
1 point

Most dams provide people with jobs. The people who will loose their jobs will get back jobs with the building of the dam. For example, the grand renaissance dam will help the people being relocated by providing them with a vast amount of jobs.

Side: Bad
4 points

Dams can cause people living in the are to move from their homes, for example 20,000 people will be moved out of the area where the Belo Monte dam will be built. The natives will protest against the government for destroying their homes, lots of human rights organisations will be on their sides. On top of that hundreds of tribes living on the bank of the river are dependent on the river for transport, fishing and trade.

Side: Bad
MateoCastro(8) Disputed
3 points

The Indigenous people suffering from the built of the Belo Monte dam were consulted over 3 times according to Brazilian law and ILO 169's (is a legally binding international instrument open to ratification, which deals specifically with the rights of indigenous and tribal peoples guarantee to Free, Prior, and Informed Consent. All factors were clarified and explained to the Natives. Laws in Brazil also include that the land that will be taken away from the Natives must be bought, this money will allow the community by the Xingu river to migrate and find another habitat. The government is not simply leaving them homeless.

Side: Good
4 points

Three reasons dams is bad:

1. Dams block movement of fish and other species.

2. Dams degrade water quality.

3. Dams displace people, often indigenous people and powerless people, from their river lifelines.

Side: Bad
rikam(8) Disputed
4 points

You mentioned that dams degrade water quality,

but after the construction of the Ilisu dam, many sewage disposal plants will be built in the upper part of the tigris river, and they will be capable of producing fresh water.

Side: Good
3 points

I agree, for example, the three gorges dam has killed river life, endangered many species including the Yangtze dolphin, majorly polluted the precious water supply, and has broken records for the most people displaced.

Side: Bad
3 points

Dams, most of the time, should not be built because of the fact that it endangers many animals native to the location where it's being built. Take the Belo Monte Dam as an example. Approximately 1500 km of the Amazon forest was cut down to make room for it, so two species of monkeys and fish were forced to migrate, therefore, disrupting the entire food web.

Side: Bad
3 points

I think dams should not to build because they negatively impact the environment. For example, when the Belo Monte Dam was being built, a significant amount of forest was cleared out. If people continue to invest in these projects, that will only promote deforestation in the region.

Side: Bad
2 points

I agree, The Narmada Sardar Sarovar Dam has caused thousands of acres of forest land to be submerged which has caused many animals to their habitat and migrate.

Side: Bad
rikam(8) Disputed
1 point

You mentioned that dams will give negative impacts on the environment, but

the Ilisu dam can prevent droughts and floods, and that is a positive impact.

Side: Good
3 points

Dams have a many different negative impacts. One of the impacts being dams can cause earthquakes. Scientists believe this happens due the water pressure in a reservoir which creates a lot of extra tectonic stress. The earthquakes would lead to deadly consequences. The Narmada Sardar Sarovar Dam in India has already created a few earthquakes, if this continues it can flood many homes and submerge thousands of acres of forest lands which will harm humans as well as many animals.

Side: Bad
1 point

I agree with your point. Dams also cause native people to lose their ancestral homes, accordingly making them give up their cultural and simple way of life.

Side: Bad
2 points

The thing about multipurpose dams like the Sardar Sarovar Dam is that their purposes irrigation, power production, and flood control conflict with each other.

Irrigation uses up the water you need to produce power.Flood control requires you to keep the reservoir empty during the monsoon months to deal with an anticipated surfeit of water and if there’s no surfeit, you’re left with an empty dam.

And this defeats the purpose of irrigation, which is to store the monsoon water.

Side: Bad
mariuspotma Disputed
2 points

The purpose of the dam is mostly to provide power to the people using hydroelectic energy. If the dam wasn't built, there would be 50 million less homes with electricity in India which thanks to the dam, was a step forward for the population.

Side: Good
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
1 point

One must notice the extra reservoirs that a dam has. While irrigation does mean an outflow of water from the dam, a balance is maintained to keep ample water for power generation. Logically, until the monsoon months arrive, dams reservoirs are slowly getting depleted for the purpose of irrigation, so the monsoons fill up those drained reservoirs and if required the extra ones for flood control too. This minimizes the chances of a surfeit of water and maintains a balance throughout the "dam water cycle".

Side: Good
2 points

Dams should not be built as they destroy homes and destroy economies, they are very expensive to build, and without a stable economy you could lose a lot of money, and lose chances to make a lot of profit. In my research I have found that dams can affect a large amount of people, and leave them without shelter, I also have found that dams are very expensive to build for example the Ilisu dam cost a whopping 38 billion dollars to build, which without stable economies can leave a country in debt, which is never a good sign.

Side: Bad
sakshambajaj(6) Disputed
1 point

According to another one of your arguments you wrote that the Ilisu dam costs $38,000,000 to build which is 38 million, not billion dollars. According to my research both figures seem to be inaccurate. I found that the construction cost of the Ilisu dam is $1.92 billion, which seems to be more believable than 38 million and a lot, lot more believable than 38 billion USD. Would it be possible for you to provide the source of these statistics?

Side: Good
2 points

Dams cost a lot of money, for example the Belo Monte dam was supposed to cost 13 billion dollars but by the end of construction it will go up to 18 billion dollars, which will cause the government to ask for more tax. This will increase crime rates because the people won't be able to afford food which makes them want to steal.

Side: Bad
mariuspotma Disputed
0 points

Eventually, in a couple of years, this money will be turned around into profit, while everyone is obtaining electricity and clean water.

Side: Good
Ailiya Disputed
3 points

I don't think the water would be clean because the plant life that was submerged in water decomposes over time, and releases greenhouse gasses, like Methane, into the water, where it slowly makes its way up to the atmosphere. Also in some dams, like the Narmada Sardar Sarovar, trash is clogging up the rivver leading to the dam. So the drinking water for everyone form the source of pollution to the dam is polluted. This is bad for the animals that use the river as a resource. Purifying the water at the end of the dam will not matter because everything in between the pollution source (trash) and the dam is already consuming or has consumed the contaminated water.

Side: Bad
2 points

The Amazon rainforest is know has the lungs of the world and the Dam will destruct over 1500 square km of it. This will kill a lot of plants and animals because of this deforestation of their natural habitat. Even though there will be parks built to make for up it it will not add up to the amount of 1500 square km. 25% of our medicine comes from the plants being destructed. The black bearded saki monkey and the white cheeked spider monkey are two endangered animals who live in the amazon rainforest

Side: Bad
1 point

I agree. There are also many species of fish and turtles native to only the Xingu river area, like zebra pleco, the plant-eating pirana, the blue dart frog, and the white-blotched river stingray. The fish will not be able to swim upstream (past the dam) anymore to their natural breeding grounds, and neither would the turtles, since their land would by submerged under water.

Supporting Evidence: Defending the Rivers of Amazon (intercontinentalcry.org)
Side: Bad
2 points

Dams trapping sediment and nutrients, create algal growth. Town's using dams to create drinking water often battle these water quality issues at a high cost to taxpayers. Slowed water and growth of algal reduce the oxygen in the water behind a dam leading to kill fish

Side: Bad
2 points

Fresh water is becoming a precious resource and drought increasing in many areas, but unnecessary blocking of water should be thought about. While often dams are “run of river,” meaning what goes in comes out, sometimes they can reduce or even stop a river’s flow, leading to bad consequences for people, fish and wildlife downstream

Side: Bad
1 point

Dams, in general, have many negative aspects. For example, the Belo Monte Dam costs 18 billion dollars, so if approximately nineteen thousand jobs are generated from its construction, then the taxes would have to be increased (to pay the employees on the project). Furthermore, it's estimated for a developing country, such as Brazil (in which most people live in poverty), crime rates would inflate to about twenty percent higher than it already was. Residents of the region would find it a struggle just to feed their families from day to day.

Supporting Evidence: Conflicts in the Amazon-- The Belo Monte Dam (e360.yale.edu)
Side: Bad
1 point

Dams should not be built as they do more harm than good. Take the Belo Monte dam for example. Studies show that because of the non-flowing motion the dam gives the river, it becomes stagnant ("having no current or flow and often having an unpleasant smell as a consequence"), allowing one species to breed uncontrollably. The cinepolis mosquito is a disease-carrying parasite that are the root cause of malaria. The state of Para already faces a malaria pandemic, and more stagnant pools will only increase the probability of another malaria outbreak.

Supporting Evidence: At 5 min (intercontinentalcry.org)
Side: Bad