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 A common theme amongst many Liberals on this site is deception. It's their only defense. (8)

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A common theme amongst many Liberals on this site is deception. It's their only defense.

When debating others and faced with common sense truth, there are two options. We can be honest and concede the obvious, or we can be deceptive and dishonest so as to twist the other's words and thereby make ourselves correct.

I often wonder what type of insecurity does it take to lie and deceive people? Do these people have such low self esteem that they must be dishonest to win at all cost, no matter the deception required to do so?
What good does it do to win an argument if you had to lie to do it?

In sports, we have rules that must be followed to get a fair outcome to the contest.
Most decent athletes, with an ounce of integrity, derive no sense of accomplishment if their victory was acquired through cheating. We still have to live with ourselves and know we did not win fairly. We understand the win meant absoutely nothing and the better team did not win.

But here we are on a debate site, where for many it seems winning is the only goal, by any means possible, no matter the lies and deception required to fool others.  

What a sad life it must be when one must lie and deceive to make themseves feel better.

From what I've seen, people on the Liberal side of the spectrum seem much more at home with deception, whereby the ends justifies the means. They must do this because their positions are at such odds with reality.
For example, who on earth does not know that killing viable unborn babies for any reason is wrong? There is no defense to supporting such things, so therefore they must lie and deceive.

The positions from the Right are built more on the obvious common sense truth concerning the many benefits derived from responsibility, moral values, and our Consitution's intent. They are not fixated on a transforming ideology at odds with our constitution and the moral foundation of this nation.
Those on the Left are always bending the truth to push forth an agenda of transforming the natural order to life. They do this because of an inward insecurity whereby they can not stand the thought of someone shining a light on any possible irresponsibility on their part.

Look within and ask yourself why you must lie to be right? The longer I live, the more I realize that insecurity is one of the worst personailty traits a person could have. It is probably the main culprit in most divorces, job losses, suicide, etc.

You see, secure people are ok with who they are. They have no need to deceive or hide the truth because they still feel good about themselves no matter some mistake thery may have made. If they made a mistake, they are secure enough to admit it. If they did not purposely lie about something, they can easiy explain how they misspoke and can freely admit their mistake.

For insecure people, they seem to live in fear of being accused of something, or their mistakes being found out. They live their lives in a defensive mindset, always looking to argue some perceived accusation to themselves.

You will notice how most Progressives on this will keep pushing the narrative of how Conservatives and Christians want to creat moral laws on the people. This is a complete lie, but you can see how their insecurites always make them believe someone is out to expose any faults they may have.

Grow up people, we all have faults. The question is, are you secure enough to admit them?
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Liberals all over the world love to lie and decieve. It is their only way to get around the infallible laws and morals God has set for us. You can't defeat objectiveness. And God's word is objective.

For example, who on earth does not know that killing viable unborn babies for any reason is wrong?

You, apparently, because you're ok with abortion in cases of rape and incest. If abortion is equivalent to murder, how does that make any sense at all?

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Abortion isn't murder in the minds of Leftist for whom you are but when it comes to a life being taken by a gun now that is murder in the mind of a Leftist. How does that make any sense at all ?

Is it one should be acceptable and the other not acceptable ? Explain your position on the issue !

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You missed a key point about the leftists.. It's not the murder's fault, it the guns fault.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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LIKE I SAID! DECEPTION!

I have never agreed with abortions from rape or incest. I have stated this many times but you must deceive as always. They have pills that prevent conception a few days after a rape. It's not the baby's fault for his parents.

I have said MANY TIMES that I believe in life of mother abortions because it is saving at least one life rather than losing two lives. If the horrible choice has to be made between what life is saved, that should be the mother's choice whose life is on the line.

You are the perfect example of who I'm speaking to. The words I used were speaking to people supporting aborting VIABLE BABIES for any reason at any stage, and the deceptive Progressive like yourself TWISTED the argument so you would not have to address the actual point and the inhumanity you support.

Thank you for proving my entire debate.

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They have pills that prevent conception a few days after a rape. It's not the baby's fault for his parents.

No, they don't. Those pills prevent implantation of a zygote into the uterine wall, not conception.

I have never agreed with abortions from rape or incest. I have stated this many times

And yet your response to anyone who challenges the legalization of abortion in extreme circumstances is "No one is talking about that."

I have said MANY TIMES that I believe in life of mother abortions because it is saving at least one life rather than losing two lives. If the horrible choice has to be made between what life is saved, that should be the mother's choice whose life is on the line.

And my question to you is this: What if the mother's life isn't in danger, but bringing a pregnancy to full term will leave her severely and permanently disabled? Just curious as to your beliefs.

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I am sure that for some Liberals what you say is true. I might actually be confirming your statement about Liberals because I know you will strongly disagree with what I am about to say.

My opinion of the matter is the following: Life isn't black or white. It is many different shades of grey ( I believe that is the core of you disagreement with Liberals. Am I right?)

Being human, we often look at others through the tunnel vision of our own life experience. But using our own limited vision of life can lead to discrimination, misunderstandings, even hatred.

We all have our own unique upbringing. Some of us have had a relatively easy ride, being born possessing a stable and encouraging family life.

Others are not so lucky. Some children are born into situations which are, quite frankly, almost guaranteed to remove any hope of that child growing up to lead a happy, productive life.

Given that we find it very difficult to see outside our own glasses, it is important that we do not become rigid in our attitude to certain topics and that we allow our minds to retain the flexibility of seeing both sides of every story.

These topics include those touchy subjects: abortion, homosexuality, drug use, prostitution. It’s always easier to say that abortion is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, drug use is wrong, than it is to think about how the situation came about in the first place.

No-one would choose the end point in the life of a crack user, for example. But again, there are reasons why some people stop at half a dozen cigarettes on the school bus while others go on to die alone in a dirty backstreet from an overdose. But it takes exercising the grey matter to even begin to understand why?

I understand your point of view. I understand your frustration when you see kids taking drugs. I will judge them as well and tell myself what they are doing is wrong. Heck, if that were to happen to my kids I would do anything make them understand that drugs is never the answer. But for me to tell them it is not the answer I have to understand what led them to that point. Is it because they don't know about the risks of drugs? Is it because their parents takes drugs? Is it because they are depressed? Because just telling them drugs is wrong is easy but telling why drugs isn't what is going to help them solve their issues means I have asked myself what their issues are. Understand is the first step to helping others. Judging their actions isn't helping them because their answer will simply be: you don't know me or what I've been through.

Maybe what you call deceptive is the fact that they refuse to see life a being full of rights and wrongs? My answer to that is: Life isn't that simple.

I guess your response will be that I am complicating things that are simply obvious. The reason I say it isn't obvious is because you don't know enough about a person to judge. I understand that living in society there are rules but even then, when it come to judging a person's crime it is difficult. Killing is wrong. If is were just wrong, why don't all killers have the same sentence?

FromWithin(8241) Clarified
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I understand what you are saying, but you and many others keep missing the entire points to my many debates on these subjects. You have been conditioned to fear anyone who dares speak to moral values.

You are doing what so many on the Left do. You try to paint people on the Right as being too rigid, too judgemental, and having no compassion for the irresponsble and the harm they do to our children.

We on the Right know all too well why so many children grow up in broken homes, and why they so often follow in the same footsteps as their parents, or lack there of.

I have stated many many times that my intent is not to judge John Doe for something he has done. It matters not how any person came to the point of living irresponsibly. It's too late for these people who were never taught the importance of moral values and responsible lifestyles.

My hope is solving the core reasons for this generational dysfunction decade after decade. This would be true compassion for our children. Yes we need a safety net to help those hurting children today, but our goal should not be creating more and more social programs to handle the record numbers of children from broken homes.

Our goal should be preventing the cause of broken homes in the first place.

When I speak to shaming irresponsible behavior, it's not done for the sake of those already living in dysfunction, it's for our little children who have not yet been conditioned to a no fault, self love, promiscuous, anything goes ideology.

Our society should be speaking in one tounge along with every parent, about the importance of moral values and responsibility.

You said.....

"Heck, if that were to happen to my kids I would do anything make them understand that drugs is never the answer. But for me to tell them it is not the answer I have to understand what led them to that point. Is it because they don't know about the risks of drugs? Is it because their parents takes drugs? Is it because they are depressed? Because just telling them drugs is wrong is easy but telling why drugs isn't what is going to help them solve their issues means I have asked myself what their issues are. Understand is the first step to helping others."

Kids know all to well the risks of drugs, alcohol, sex, etc. but THEY DON'T CARE. Many are hurting children lacking the love of a mother and father at home. The are acting out in rebellion to those who have abandoned them. Some join gangs to have some semblance of a family.

Now listen very carefully to what I'm saying here. People like myself already understand why these kids are taking drugs, having sex before their time, why they are so often acting out in destructive ways, etc.

It's this insecure progressive culture that has spent decades censoring any mention of moral values from our public. The Left has done all in it's power to censor any mention of our Christian heritage from public. Without God, a culture will drift with no sense of moral guidance to hold to.

What do kids see on our media today? Do they see commercials speaking to the dangers of promiscuous lifestyles? Never!

What they constantly do see is sitcoms talking about how sex, drugs, and alcohol are the normal things the teenagers of today are all doing, and if you are not doing it, you are a nerd.

Kids today are taught how to have sex correctly. The problem being is that Teenagers are not old enough to be responsible with adult situations.

We don't teach teens how to drink properly because we know they are not old enough to drink responsibly.

But when it comes to sex, we teach them how to do it properly even though they are not old enough to be responsible with sex, and are not responsible enough to use the birth control we tell them to use. All they hear are adults giving them the green light that sex is ok if you do it responsibly.

I have no problem with sex ed. for children of parents who want their children hearing it, but it is not the answer to the problem. It is but the Left's only recourse to a problem they created by censoring any mention of moral values concerning sex. They have no answer because the answer is once again lifting up moral values. They REFUSE TO DO SO.

Let me make it very clear. Conservatives, Christians, those on the Right do understand why our culture has fallen so badly and why our families are so broken.

The purpose to my debates is to shame the ideology that has censored the only answer to keeping our families together.

I am here to shame the political party that is home to Liberal Progressives who so fear the very mention of morals.

Morals are the only answer to help our children. It's too late for this generation, they have already been indoctrinated. My hope is that our culture will stop fearing the very mention of moral values, and fearing the values speaking to the benefits of waiting for love before sex.

I'm speaking for the many many future generations of broken homes and broken children. My entire reason for being on this debate site is to help change a culture that has been indoctrinated to fear any mention of moral values, a culture no longer willing to speak to the core reasons for broken homes, no longer willing to lift up our Christian heritage, no longer willing to lift up the wonderful family values derived from that heritage.

If you don't agree with my answers, fine but don't tell me I have no compassion for the hurting. I care greatly for them and I understand the importance of breaking the cycle of broken homes and hurting children.

All I see with the answers from the Left, is larger swollen welfare roles of broken homes. That is not true compassion when you accept a failed culture with no answers.

FromWithin(8241) Clarified
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I made a statement that "It matters not how any person came to the point of living irresponsibly. It's too late for these people who were never taught the importance of moral values and responsible lifestyles."

That's not what I meant. We can all change and improve our lives. I believe God can help any person truly searching for a better life, no matter their childhood.

My point was that for this generation of people who have already been taught this no fault anything goes value system, there is little we can do.

I believe that moral values need to be taught early on in our childhood. I believe society should also be speaking to the importance of common sense moral values that will help keep them from destroying their lives.