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A question for those who support abortion.

Two women get pregnant at the same time. At 28 weeks, one woman has a premature birth. She then kills her baby and goes to prison for murder. The other women kills her baby at 28 weeks, while it's still in the womb. No one says anything about it. No charges are filed. Once again, the babies are the same age. Should the woman who had the abortion also be charged with murder?

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I do not like the idea of killing a fetus or a baby. As a fetus has the possibility of life and is life.

Did you know people classify mars as having life? They do but last time I checked I did not see any animals are people running around. When people say their is life on mars their referring to the living bacteria or even the dead bacteria.

If bacteria is life on mars than why is the fetus not considered life? It has bacteria and most of the time a heart that is beating.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/11/30/ fossilized-bacteria-may-point-to-life-on-mars.html

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Side: AGREE
3 points

People support abortion out of selfishness. They can't be bothered to raise a child. They also can't keep their panties on. Pregnant? No problem. Just terminate it. It's just a 'clump of cells'.

Side: AGREE

Exactly! ! !

Side: AGREE
2 points

Other than Life of mother or maybe some other extreme cases, YES, ALL INNOCENT LIFE SHOULD BE PROTECTED!

This is what pro abortion supporters do to deceive the public & hide the inhumanity of their policies.

1) Steer the abortion conversation to life of mother & rape pregnancies, or Zygotes & first trimester abortions, all to deflect what they really support which is No Restriction abortions of all babies, even viable babies for any reason up to birth.

This is the first thing pro choice people do. The GOP has allowed extreme case exceptions since abortion was legalized yet every day we still hear the Left talking about these extreme rare cases.

Lie, deceive, exaggerate, etc., all to condition the electorate to think the GOP wil deny these extreme case abortions.(by the way, rape pregnancies can be prevented within a day or two with a doctor visit)

2) They talk about the medical name of an unborn Baby..... Fetus. By using the name Fetus, they somehow believe it changes the status of the life growing inside the mother. Somehow in their thinking, a Baby that has not yet traveled through the birth canal is different than it is after it is has moved down that canal. WOW, TALK ABOUT DENIAL!

3) They talk about the supposed hard life these unwanted children will have if allowed to live. So in all their God like powers, they know the future of every Baby aborted? How many great people have come from poverty or foster homes, etc.? To be so arrogant to allow the deaths of innocent life because of some perceived hard life is beyond diabolical.

4) Pro choice people like to say they do not personally believe in abortion, but would afford other's the choice to end the lives of their unborn Babies. Gee, how nice of them. I always wonder how a person who personally believes that aborting his own Baby is wrong because it is ending a human life, can support allowing other babies to die. PHONEY!

5) After all the scare tactics and deceptions, their next step is to lie and say they do not support late term abortions for any reason. They refuse to accept accountability for supporting all late term abortions of even viable babies every time they vote for Democrats who support it.

6) The Democrat Party and the Left even supports killing viable special needs babies, for any reason up to birth, for merely being different from them. That's like the Nazi mentality where we only want blond haired blue eyed people being born in Germany. In all their arrogance, they will deem who is deservng of life. Where is all their talk about diversity, inclusiveness, tolerance, compassion? I guess these special olympic children actully mean nothing to them. Their lives are disposable.

7) How many times do we hear the Left tell us how a mother has the right to her own body? Yes she does, but she has no right to take the life of the other body inside of her, (unless her life is in jeapordy). There are TWO lives involved, not just the mother's.

I am not here trying to judge any woman who has had an abortion. I'm trying to bring humanity back to our nation by protecting our most innocent vulnerable lives.

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There are actually a growing number of sickos out there who want to legalize abortion after the baby is born. I wish I could hunt down every one of them and put a bullet between their eyes.

Side: AGREE
2 points

It is not a strawman to claim that the ultimate reason people want abortions is because they just don’t want to raise a child. And so, they murder a child in the womb that could have had lived a life of 80 years: childhood, experience, education, marriage, raise children on their own, and have a relationship with their Creator. But they don’t. Why? Because the one responsible for their existence (secondarily at least; the primary reason they came into being is due to God) decided they didn’t want to raise a child, and did not even see the need of putting them for adoption. This is disgusting to the utmost. We have so much evidence that the baby in the womb is an actual human being (e.g. humans alone have their genetic code complete from the start). When one is conceived, a Being comes into existence that will exist for all eternity - an image-bearer of the Divine. We know what we are doing. Morality is not subjective. We have a Judge, one who made us, and we must uphold the sanctity of human life. Abortion is murder.

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There is no difference between the fetus and the baby that was born. So I see no reason why both should not be charged with murder.

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You are showing the utter lunacy in the Pro abortion arguments.

That 28 week old unborn baby is OBVIOUSLY every bit a human life as the one who was born.

The radical Pro abortion Democrat Party understnds completely what you are sayng, they simply DON'T CARE! That includes the phonies who elect these radical pro abortion poiticians. THEY DON'T CARE!

It's all about money and support from Feminist and abortion lobbies.

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I agree. At 28 weeks the child feels pain and is mostly developed. I believe that abortion should only be used in certain situations and early in the pregnancy

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Why is it wring to kill a newborn?????????????????????????????????????????????

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the woman should not be charged with murder because she 's just doing for the betterment of the baby. the baby will face a lot of problems if she/he lives to grow up

Side: DISAGREE
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You argument is nonsensical. Just because you can give birth to the child and it is alive at birth, that doesn't mean that it is viable. One of the seven criteria of life is maintaining homeostasis. If it can't survive on its own then it isn't viable. No one (pre born or post born) has the right to persist at the expense of another person. Abortion isn't about killing babies. Abortion is by definition, the termination of a pregnancy. We have a definition for a late term abortion. It's called a caesarean section.

If you are against abortion then you are against human rights and you aren't a real American.

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5 points

You argument is nonsensical

Nomenclature needing puppets to debate for him because he knows he can't win is nonsensical.

Side: AGREE
Wolfgang666(172) Clarified
2 points

I don't know where you get this idea that he and I are conspiring against you. We both just so happen to disagree with you on everything. I don't talk to anyone outside of the message boards.

Your paranoia is just another sign that you might be certifiably insane.

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Amarel(4953) Disputed
2 points

Just because you can give birth to the child and it is alive at birth, that doesn't mean that it is viable

Does your answer change when the fetus is viable? If so, then consider that 90% of babies survive birth after 27 weeks.

Side: AGREE
Wolfgang666(172) Disputed
1 point

If it is able to live then that's good. But if it dies, so what? They aren't trying to kill it because that isn't the purpose of an abortion. If it can't live outside of the womb then that is just too bad. An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy.

You are for taking away a woman's right to not be pregnant. How very immoral of you.

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Welcome back Wolfgang. I missed you buddy. Hope to read more of your posts.

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6 points

Puppet posts.*

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5 points

Having conversations with your own puppets makes you look like a stupid dumbass.

Side: AGREE
2 points

Thanks buddy. I have been busy with my new baby girl so I took a break from internet forums.

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TzarPepe(793) Disputed
1 point

Nothing can survive on its own.

Everyone persists at the expense of other people.

I am against stealing. Does that mean that I am against human rights and shouldn't be considered a real American?

Side: AGREE
Wolfgang666(172) Disputed
2 points

1. You can survive just fine in the woods by yourself. People have done it for hundreds of thousands of years.

2. In a just society, your rights stop as soon as they encroach on mine. I have the right to have my things. My right to swing my arm ends at your nose.

Your argument is nonsensical.

Side: DISAGREE
Champybeat(9) Disputed
1 point

With respect, this is nonsense. If it can’t survive in its own it is not alive. A baby who is out of the womb depends on its mother (e.g., milk). It is utterly dependent on her. And the baby staying alive is more precious and basic than not being pregnant. And if objective moral values exist, abortion is indeed absolutely wrong (for those in the womb are formed by the Creator and are made in the image of the Divine). And so, apart from God, morality is subjective. And so, who are you to claim that abortion is absolutely for human rights - as morality in your worldview is an opinion? Humans, apart from a Creator, are chemical reactions dancing to their DNA (as Dawkins puts it). And your argument is fallacious (‘if you are pro-life, you are not American and against humanity!’ - a slippery slope fallacy. Also no, I believe it is more important to keep a human alive in the womb than it is going to perhaps live a full life of 80 years, than it is to kill it so a woman can selfishly not want to raise it [or not want to be pregnant]).

Side: AGREE
NathanAllen(2227) Clarified
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ALERT ALERT TYPE 5 RADIOACTIVE LIBERAL IN THE BUILDING, PLEASE EVACUATE THE BUILDING

You must be on drugs if you think true patriots are about killing babies that would have a chance of growing up if their lives where not cut short, 92 percent of babies are said in multiple studies shown the baby had nothing wrong with it nor the mother. Did you know only 7 percent of abortions according to my sources actually where related to the health of the women or the health of the baby. That leaves 92 percent not including the 1 percent that abort because of rape, that abort because they wanted to get knocked up and have fun, and not deal with the consequences. That is 92 percent of the lives killed because of a night of fun.

Real American patriots are not in any way for killing an innocent life. And like I said before NASA declares dead and living bacteria on mars life.

92 percent of aborted babies had no health issues! The main stream media is making it look like getting knocked up is OK and that if you abort the baby it is also okay.

I might be gay and out of line but I do know I am not wrong. If I was a women and I wanted to have fun and have sex and got pregnant. I would not abort because that is the consequences I must take on. I am not ending a babies life because I am not ready, because I am in school, because I am going to be an only parent, because I am going to struggle with bills. I would take it on. I did it to myself.

Now back to that 1 percent from earlier. Only 1 percent of the abortions that took place in 2004 where because of rape. Now rape and getting knocked up for fun are 2 entirely different things. I would be for abortions on a rape victim they did not ask to be raped. They where not planning on getting pregnant and they did not ask to have sex they where forced into it. Now that 1 plus the other 7 percent I can see getting an abortion. If the baby will only suffer than no take it out before it does. If the future mother will be killed because of the baby take it out. Those 3 things are the only reason abortion should be legal.

http://abort73.com/abortionfacts/usabortionstatistics/

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

https://www.nrlc.org/archive/news/2005/NRL10/NewStudy.html

Tell me how about I kill 92 percent of the worlds bacteria and only leave 8 percent is that murder? Why do I bring this up because us humans and most species on this earth would die if I cut out 98 percent of bacteria. It is a necessary living organism that humans need to survive.

https://www.livescience.com/32761-good-bacteria-boost-immune-system.html

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Side: AGREE