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A rapist is raped in prison: Is he a hypocrite for suing?
A convicted child rapist is raped by inmates and he is suing the prison for allowing it. My first thought is how dare he do that to someone else and whine when he gets the same in return.
Prison rape happens. It's a fact of life, it's something people try not to think about unless they may have to face it one day. That's the non issue, The big issue here is that from what we can assume, the guards let it happen.
Well by your own admission, "Prison rape happens. It's a fact of life, it's something people try not to think about unless they may have to face it one day. That's the non issue"
Karma is cause and effect, reaping what you sow. Him getting raped by the prison inmates was a direct result of him raping others as it was doing that which put him in prison in the first place.
There is no reason why that wasn't exactly what he deserved. Treat others how you would like to be treated yourself. If it was acceptable for him to rape people why isn't it for him to get raped?
Yes he is. If your going to commit a crime knowing that what your doing is definitely bad in very single way, and go to prison for it and just have karma come right at you, you can't expect to be treated with respect. You are just showing your pathetic because you feel you can do whatever you want but karma can't come back upon you.
I never said I agree with rape. My problem is that a rapist is being a hypocrite. He rapes a child and has the nerve to whine when he suffers like his victim. I am against prison violence, but I think rapists should have to pay for what he or she did. I oppose rape. I agree that prisoners should be protected, but I also think children should be protected.
I am not saying that rape is good. I think rape is a terrorist act. I am just saying that he got what he deserved. I just think that rapists should have to die.
Then the penalty for rape should be the death sentence? Although I disagree, I still have to point out this flaw in your thin king. He was in prison already, that means the act of being in prison was his punishment for his crime, anything more does not suit the penalty.
You're saying this guy gets raped and then feelings "Oh well I deserved it". No. What he deserves is prison not to be raped. Extremely harsh punishments is a right wing frame of mind.
I don't think it should be an 'eye for an eye', courts I don't care for much - they could be bribed, but I do believe that a person should still have their rights/ dignity.
And now I read that this person wasn't even convicted, he was only being held on remand! Please get facts right first. what I have wrote since may have been slightly judgmental now.
True. I accept your reasoning and premises - but whether indirectly a result of his bad karma accumulated by raping people, it does not mean you should take pleasure out of someone's misfortune. Just because he did something wrong, in time he will pay for it but it is no-one's business to encourage misfortune upon him.
It's hypocritical by technicality, but that doesn't mean he's wrong to sue.
If person A shoots person B in the foot, then person A gets out of prison and gets shot in the foot by person C, even though person B has been punished, should person B NOT take person C to court? They SHOULD because IT MAKES SENSE!!!
I agree though that he's a hypocrite, so on that side I'll agree with you. But he SHOULD still sue because that's the reasonable thing to do.
Every living human has rights, no matter what they've done . That's why they're called human rights, not innocent human rights. Besides, the convicted rapist has already been punished for his crime whereas the prison rapist has not. So is it fair that the prison rapist gets away with rape without punishment? No, of course it's not. Rape should always be punished, no ifs or buts.
Even when criminals commit cruel and unusual crimes, they are still protected by law from cruel and unusual punishment. While what constitutes 'cruel and unusual' is admittedly somewhat of a grey area, I would be 100% confident in labeling gang rape as such.
From what I'm reading, I can say this is not just punishment. If he truly was watched as he was raped, and no guard tried to step in and save him then I say he has every right to sue. If his punishment was rape for rape, then that should have been what the court gave him. Instead the court gave him a sentence of how ever many years, and rape was not apart of said sentence.
Two things: The penalty does not fit the crime.
And we don't live in a society where crimes are an eye for an eye.
Two things. He's not anti rape, he's against being harmed, as anyone would be in that sitation. Even a killer would not want to be killed. But that is not the point I'm making and you aren't reading a word I'm saying are you, if you are just repeat this phrase "nothing shines, like a moonlit penny"?
The guards are doing nothing to protect him, thus he has every right to sue. They are not the judge, they do not get to make the rules, and they don't get to decide what is just and unjust, they are supposed to protect every criminal in their from every other criminal in there regardless of the crime.
Like I said: I do not support rape. What happened to him is wrong. I just think that he is a hypocrite for raping a child and whining for being raped. Where is your concern for the real victim?
Where is my concern for the real victim you ask? My concern is on him, because he is being raped in prison while no guard helps him. If you're referring to the victim of the rapist, my concern is off of him because he received his justice when the rapist was put in prison.
There can be multiple victims, but in this case their is only one. Also, I threw a random sentence quite literally in the middle of my last comment to see if you were actually reading them, before spouting your bullshit but since you ignored that, I can only assume you are not, therefore I'm done with you.
Where is my concern for the real victim you ask? My concern is on him, because he is being raped in prison while no guard helps him. If you're referring to the victim of the rapist, my concern is off of him because he received his justice when the rapist was put in prison. My concern is with the child who will never feel safe again. It is sad that you side with a rapist over the victim. There can be multiple victims, but in this case their is only one. Also, I threw a random sentence quite literally in the middle of my last comment to see if you were actually reading them, before spouting your bullshit but since you ignored that, I can only assume you are not, therefore I'm done with you. Exactly and the victim is the child who was raped.
That child already received justice, that's why the rapist was in prison in the first place you dense moron. This specific case has absolutely nothing to do with the rapists' victim, that was an entirely different case. How do you not see that? Rhetorical question, the answer is because you are a blind fool.
The day that the child was raped is when justice was ignored. There is no justice in rape. The fact that you choose a rapist over the child he raped is telling. I speak for victims, not their rapist.
Hey, did I mention you're a fool. justice is decided by people. At the time the child was being raped (which might I add is off topic because the child is not relevant to what is going on in the prison) nothing was being decided upon. Crimes happen. Just because they do, does not mean Justice is being ignored, dirt means justice has not happened yet. However in this specific case, which I keep pointing out to you, just was dealt when the man who raped the child (the child who is not relevant with what is going on in the prison which is what we are supposed to be debating) was imprisoned.
Do you know what that means? That means, the rapist committed a crime, then he was punished. That is basically what justice is. If he raped the child, then fled the charges and didn't face jail time, that would be a case where justice is ignored, however that is not the case. Do you understand?
Now to the case of justice that is relevant to this crime, and this debate. The man (his charges completely aside because he is serving time for them) is in prison, and a crime is being committed against him (the nature of the crime does not matter, it is a crime all the same) and is being ignored by the people who are supposed to stop that sort of thing from happened. that is the only denial of Justice present in this case.
it just struck me, that you said their is no justice in rape.
That is grade A hypocrisy right there on your part, since you were in favor of the raping of the rapist, by choosing the side karma. Insinuating that justice was served when a rapist was raped.
Rapists should have to pay for being raped. The fact that you choose a rapist over a rape victim is disgusting. Im blocking you for that reason. You were never raped so you have no idea what rape victims go through.
He's not disputing that, he simply is asserting that the punishment should not be rape.
The fact that you choose a rapist over a rape victim is disgusting.
Again, no. What he's trying to get through your ironclad skull is that the crime is already done. We don't need any more goddamned carnage, you trigger happy retard. More importantly, this does not make society a better place to live in, in fact it does the opposite.
Im blocking you for that reason. You were never raped so you have no idea what rape victims go through.
I suppose that this is a no true scotsman, since you are stating that only people who have suffered rape know what it's like.
the fact that you choose a rapist over a rape victim
No one ever said this. Can you please stop with the drama? You're being very abusive to these two by ignoring what they're saying and accusing them of things that they didn't do.
Rapists should have to pay for being raped. The fact that you choose a rapist over a rape victim is disgusting. Im blocking you for that reason. You were never raped so you have no idea what rape victims go through.
My concern is with the child who will never feel safe again. It is sad that you side with a rapist over the victim.
This isn't a debate of the rapist vs. the child. It's former rapist vs currently rapist. I think former rapist wins. Forget the child. That's a separate story.
Its not Karma. Karma is in regards to Reincarnation. I do not believe in reincarnation. But most certainly in your context this is not reincarnation nor Justice from God but just simply Gods Permissive Decree for things like that to happen.
Honestly I am not sorry at all for the person but the prisoners need to be better protected. They don't need more punish ment that is what being in prison is for.
It seems like the people saying he's a hypocrite, don't want to read any arguments. You know what they want? They wanted everyone to agree with them. And you know what?
This isn't supposed to be a debate. It's supposed to be an agreement page!!!
