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A third option to what existed before the big bang and where did it come from?

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/What_existed_before_the_big_bang_and_where_did_it_come_from


The first 2 options/possibilities.

1. Everything that exists, has always existed and will always exist. I am unable to wrap my brain around infinity. But, if it will always exist (and if information is not lost as theorized by science), then maybe that thing we call "self" will exist forever and death is just a transition of consciousness.

2. Everything that exists spontaneously materialized. I am unable to wrap my brain around the concept of something arising out of nothing. But, if it's possible, we may someday be able to create entire universes. On that day, we would become Gods.



The 3rd option/possibility:

There was/is something that either always existed or materialized out of nothing. Then that thing created everything else from either parts of itself, from nothing or a combination of itself and nothing. This option/possibility, by definition, would constitute a God creating the universe.

It is not clear that the first thing (God) can exist forever.

It is not clear that the things created (us and the universe) can exist forever.

It is not clear if consciousness (soul?) is physically linked to matter (brain?) in order to exist or if it can exist on its own. If it can exist on its own (when the physical part dies?), then it is not of this “material” world and may eventually return to its non-material world (heaven?). If it cannot exist without matter then it should still be able to exist simply as energy since matter and energy are interchangeable.


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/21/-sp-why-cant-worlds-greatest-minds-solve-mystery-consciousness


http://www.wired.com/2013/11/christof-koch-panpsychism-consciousness/


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/awakening/309188/


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Still trolling after all these years ;)

Holy ! I thought you were gone !

joecavalry(36294) Clarified
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You do realize that I am jolie, right? Was I ever really gone? ;)

LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
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This profile has been gone for awhile. So technically you were "gone"

LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
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since matter in its base element is particles in motion .... particles in motion cannot exist apart from time ... scientists have concluded that matter began at the same time time began ..... God's existence is apart from time ... God sees the beginning and the end all in one glance .... God is not bound by someones clock .... as we are told in Revelation (God's last word) that "time" will be no more .... when time goes out of existence so will all matter ... "Heaven and Earth fled away and the was no place found for them" (the UNcreation) ........ hence the Creation of a New Heaven and a New Earth in the eternal state ..... come next (soon) Lord Jesus .... oh happy day

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The Beginning of Time - Stephen Hawking ... This means that they were closer together in the past. ... At this time, the Big Bang , all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. ... one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. ... The Steady State theory, was what Karl Popper would call, a good scientific theory: it ... http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

That's all fine and dandy but what about consciousness? Is human consciousness bound by matter/time? I guess if there's no time it doesn't matter ;)

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It would be poetic – albeit deeply frustrating – were it ultimately to prove that the one thing the human mind is incapable of comprehending is itself. An answer must be out there somewhere. And finding it matters: indeed, one could argue that nothing else could ever matter more – since anything at all that matters, in life, only does so as a consequence of its impact on conscious brains.

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If there was ever a dimension of "nothing", nothing could have existed, even a "god". I "can't wrap MY mind around a "nothing". It is a human concept that everything has to have a beginning. Maybe not.