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54
Amen People should be forced to pay
Debate Score:115
Arguments:73
Total Votes:163
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A woman does not have a right to force anyone to pay for her abortion.

A woman has a right to an abortion, if she can afford it.

A woman does not have a right to force anyone else to pay for her abortion.

I have the right of freedom of speech.  Would you like to be forced to pay in order for me to excercise my right?

Amen

Side Score: 61
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People should be forced to pay

Side Score: 54
3 points

i dont even believe in abortion either way...but if it does happen, then she does not have the right to make anyone pay for her choice, unless, as mentioned before, it is due to rape, incest, etc. the only people responsible for the pregnancy are the parents, and they choose to take a chance, which is their problem, not the people's.

Side: amen
2 points

no i dont believe a woman has the right to make someone else pay for her abortion if it is her choice. although if it was the choice of the father then he should pay for it and in a situation of rape than the woman should not have to pay at all.

Side: Amen

A few quotes:

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

Thomas Jefferson

"It has been said the greatest volume of sheer brainpower in one place occurred when Jefferson dined alone..."

John Kennedy

Side: amen
2 points

If it is because of rape, Pay, otherwise, They should pay themselves. Abortion already has so many risks, why pay to continue them?

Side: Force rapists to pay
2 points

I think if you were grown enough to spread your legs and then careless enough to get pregnant then the problem is yours and no one elses. They should pay for their own mistakes.

Side: amen

If a woman doesn't have money for an abortion, then she can turn a few tricks to raise the money. I mean, it's not like she's going to get any more pregnant than she already is. Besides, she should have thought about that before spreading her legs. If she was willing to spread her legs once, what's a few more times in order to get the money she needs. ;)

Side: amen
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
0 points

"If a woman doesn't have money for an abortion, then she can turn a few tricks to raise the money."

It really is unbeleivale that you continue to spew this misogynistic stuff as if it's a valid "argument".

Side: People should be forced to pay
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
3 points

There is no law that says "Go forth and have sex with every man you see in order to break the ice and make him love you." Abstinence is a valid argument in this and the longer that people like you deny that personnel responsibility, or rather the lack thereof, is the central issue of abortion the louder that people like Joe will shout.

Side: amen
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
0 points

Ugh...when are you going to stop pushing that mindless debate? Your continued worship of a dead old codger like Uncle Milty is kinda creepy.

Side: People should be forced to pay

When you stop trying to tell me that I am responsible to bail out everyone whenever they screw up.

You know, liberals are like little kids. They want all the fun and none of the responsibility. It is always someone else's fault. They can't take care of themselves so they want the government to take care of them.

Honestly, how old are you again?

Side: amen
1 point

While I believe health care is an essential right, abortions do not fall in that category. Abortions are simply choice and therefore, you should have to pay the expenses out of pocket. The only exception maybe being if the mothers life is at risk.

Side: amen
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"While I believe health care is an essential right, abortions do not fall in that category."

My goodness, abortions are merely a medical procedure that firmly falls under the "health care" moniker.

Side: People should be forced to pay
kamranw(232) Disputed
3 points

Abortions do NOT fall under a procedure that can save a life. It is a choice which the woman makes. As I said already, the only exception perhaps being if it will save the mother's life. Based on your logic, plastic surgery is a medical procedure as well. Should it also be covered? I should hope not as once again, it is a choice that person makes and should have to bear the financial burden for.

Side: amen

It only falls under the health care moniker if the pregnancy is due to rape, incest, or it adversily affects the mother's health. Otherwise, the woman is responsible for her actions and cannot force anyone to pay her anymore than I can force anyone to pay for my gambling loses. She gambled that she wouldn't get pregnant and she lost.

Side: amen
1 point

I'm fine with abortion. I just don't wanna pay for someone else's abortion.

Just how I don't wanna pay for someone else's breast implants or laser eye surgery. What you do with YOUR body is YOUR business and I should not be forced into any of this shit. fuckers.

Side: amen
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"Just how I don't wanna pay for someone else's breast implants or laser eye surgery."

Ugh...as IF these silly, elective medical procedures are anywhere near as important as an abortion. Please...

Side: People should be forced to pay
ThePyg(6743) Disputed
1 point

it's not that important to me, no.

ya see, we live in a free country where people have the right to choose. you can either fuck or not fuck, have a baby or not have a baby. The government shouldn't be deciding for you, and it surely shouldn't be forcing others to comply with your bullshit beliefs.

I'm fine with abortion. I actually encourage it, but I still don't want to pay for it. End of story. It's your body, and the government should stay out of what happens between you and your baby/fetus.

Side: amen
1 point

Even "legal" thievery is still thievery =/

.......................................................

Side: amen
4 points

In general, I agree, but there's a big exception. If the woman was raped, she should be able to legally force her rapist to pay for the abortion.

Side: Force rapists to pay
2 points

So when a woman who has little to no money, and has been raped, she should be forced to sell everything she owns, suffer the social stigma of having an abortion, and become homeless?

Glad to know you people care about the welfare of society.

Side: People should be forced to pay
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

When a woman has promiscous sex and wants to get rid of the 'repercussion' we should pay for her irresponsibility?

Glad to know you people care about the welfare of society.

Side: amen
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
2 points

Who ever said that most abortions result from "promiscous sex"??

Side: People should be forced to pay
Vaylkon(2) Disputed
1 point

Then she shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion. I guess I should have made it clear- only people who NEED abortions or have been through difficult circumstances should be paid for.

Side: People should be forced to pay
leadsinger(16) Disputed
1 point

that is too harsh. most, if not all, on this side have mentioned the acception of rape. besides that, it is not society's problem that two people took a chance-fully aware of the outcomes-and negative effects took place.

Side: amen
ThePyg(6743) Disputed
1 point

If she can't afford it, she can give it up for adoption.

It should only be considered a medical emergency if the baby is threatening the mother's life.

otherwise, deal with reality.

Side: amen
2 points

I think people should be forced to pay in only extreme cases. What if a poor woman gets raped?

Side: People should be forced to pay
kamranw(232) Disputed
1 point

Once again, the only exception could be if the womans life is at risk. Then it becomes our responsibility to protect her. Other than that, no way.

Side: amen
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"Once again, the only exception could be if the womans life is at risk"

...in your own, narrow opinion that is. Women can legally get abortions for all kinds of reasons right now...wake up...

Side: People should be forced to pay
1 point

Here they go again. The churches excersizing their right to representation without taxation.

I would be glad to pay for abortions and would in no way feel forced (which is very strong and obviously biased wordig which leads to an unfair and untrue debate, btw).

If anyone does feel forced, then they dont understand democracy.

For as long as I have been paying taxes, they have been going to support a war I have never believed in. I have, just as effectivly, paid for this war as anyone would have to pay for abortions.

It's not fair, it's taxes.

Side: People should be forced to pay

Be careful Pineapple. If you follow your thoughts to their logical conclusion you will become a conservative ;)

If the people of this nation were united in telling the government that we do not need (nor do we want) government assistance (and intervention) and that they should start doing away with their government programs, then taxes would either be reduced or go directly towards cutting the deficit and balancing the budget. If we limit the cash flow available to the government (i.e., keep them from printing more) then they would think twice about going to war. Especially an offensive war instead of a defensive war (like WWII). This, of course, would improve how countries see us. And you wouldn't have to pay taxes for a war you don't believe in. ;)

Side: amen
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
2 points

That wasn't my point at all, and I'm unsure of how you formulated that my opinion was that government should go die a cold death. I'd really rather that you didn't respond to my arguements, I feel obligated to respond but I don't really have the time to deal with you.

Side: People should be forced to pay
kamranw(232) Disputed
1 point

This has nothing to do with things people do not like. The bottom line is that an abortion is a personal choice that is not a necessity. People should not have to pay for their choices.

Side: amen
1 point

and you blokes are wondering why there are lesbians..........do you blame them...how bout since you are such the smart ones you keep your silly willy without a brain in your bloody pants or take some responsibility and wack a condom on it.how about we get some honest law abiding good christian prostitutes on here to open everyones eyes up to the reality of how all-sorts of folk, husbands and wives,judges and priests in fact just about any walk of life seek their services and boy you should hear what people get up to. How about you all go to a mirror now and see if you can look your self in the eyes ...bout time some more hypocrates got put in their place.

Side: People should be forced to pay