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Abortion, The humane answer to unwanted pregnancy Yes or No

If a woman has an unwanted pregnancy there are many that believe she should be forced to carry to term and deliver a baby. Is this the humane answer, to bring a child into this world unloved, unwanted into an unstable environment? First let's look at statistics. Currently there are 300,000 to 400,00 unadopted orphans in the USA. There are around a million abortions performed annually. 85% are black which statistically speaking are more difficult to find adoptive homes for and are more likely to commit a violent crime. Is there a correlation between unloved children in an unstable living environment and depression, suicide, lack of empathy (psychopath) and violent criminal behavior? Is it humane to bring a child into this world to suffer? 
I would make the argument that it is far more humane to end the formation of life before there is pain and suffering. Before there are memories. Before there is anyone else harmed by the existence of a child born of an unwanted pregnancy. 

It is the Humane Answer

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An unwanted baby can potentially ruin someone's life, it's a tough decision but a lot of the time it is the best one.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
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Yes. Abortion is an important element of women's rights because women are more affected by the abortion debate than men, both individually (if they are considering an abortion) and as a gender.

A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most determinative aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life.

Due to the impact on the woman, this should be a matter which is of such fundamental and basic concern to the woman involved that she should be allowed to make the choice as to whether to continue or to terminate her pregnancy.

If abortion rights are denied, then a constraint is imposed on women's freedom to act in a way that is of great importance to them, both for its own sake and for the sake of their achievement of equality.

I am arguing fully on the perspective of gender equality, and that most people would not understand unless they are the one in the situation. Please put yourself into someone else's shoes.

Giving birth is not supposed to be a women's responsibility, which sounds like it is from opposite arguments. It should be her right, and only her right.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
2 points

No. I don't consider it to be the "humane answer" to anything. It is sometimes the only "practical answer". Let us remain "practical", not put ourselves in an "impractical" position .... like when we found BOTH bodies in alleys!

Side: It is the Humane Answer
1 point

I feel that an unwanted baby has a much greater potential to cause misery as well as both psychological and physical suffering to all parties than a professional medial termination carried out within the legal time limit. The only people qualified to make this judgment is primarily the pregnant mother-to-be and her partner. The opinions of everyone else is only so much sanctimonious bellowing from those pretentious, self righteous ''do-gooders'' who like to be seen standing on what they perceive to be the moral high ground. It's not their business and they should back off and look at how they can live better lives themselves.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

So you are sayng that parents should have the right to kill their two year old child and it is no one else business? Those who would stand up to protect the right of life for that two year old are being sanctimonious, self righteous do-gooders? Nah, in your twisted indoctrination, you believe that the unborn Baby is somehow less human before he moves down the birth canal and then all of a sudden, he becomes a human life. CAN YOU BE THAT STUPID OR IS IT SIMPLE SELFISH INHUMANITY?

The excuses from pro choice people goes beyond rational thought. It's no different than any dictator explaining why some people should be able to be killed.

That unborn Baby is alive! He is every bit a living growing human life as you or I. PARENTS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE IF THEIR CHILD LIVES OR DIES!

Side: I Have a Better Solution
Antrim(1287) Disputed
2 points

Please read my text in full. I qualified my opinion with the proviso that the termination should be carried out within the legal time period. In the U.K, this is usually twelve weeks. In your mindless rant you presented a ''straw man'' argument by suggesting that I said that parents have the right to ''MURDER'' their two year old son! I never proposed such a scenario. You are quite mad and really should make an appointment with your local psychiatric clinic and have your psychosis analysed and treated. The parents, primarily the mother, should have the sole right to decide whether to have a termination of a pregnancy, within the law. No one else, certainly not a raving lunatic like you should have any input into the making of that decision nor intruding in the affairs of others. Get a life and find a new crusade to champion as you've made a big enough fool of yourself on this one.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

So let me get this straight. People who protect and save lives a few seconds after birth are heroes as well as compassionate loving caring people.

But if those same people dare to try and protect that same Baby before he moves down the birth canal, they become sanctimonious self righteous do-gooders?

WOW, look within please! You have been totally brainwashed!

P.S., our culture has fallen to a new low. Now we have a Democrat party that supports allowing that Baby to die afer he is born alive from a botched late term abortion. Has your conscience been so conditioned to even turn a blind eye to that inhumanity?

Side: I Have a Better Solution
Antrim(1287) Disputed
2 points

Notwithstanding that I never mentioned this category of person I would nevertheless comment as follows;- People who deliver babies into the world are qualified medical staff doing a job for which they are paid. They are no more heroes or compassionate than any other member of the caring professions. My conscience is governed by observing upwards of 2000, yes two thousand, babies dying a lingering and painful death ''EVERY DAY'' in Africa and the living nightmare of ruined lives and abused children all as a consequence of smug, low life filth like you who love to spew their so called pro life drivel from the roof tops without realizing that it has nothing whatsoever to do with them. Pregnancies created by incest or rape are two instances which should automatically qualify for legal terminations providing it is the parent's desire. The pious Roman Catholic Church prohibits abortion and this primitive creed has been responsible for literally 100s of 1000s 0f unwanted babies and children being sent to ''care homes'' where they are abused by the paedophil clergy. Do dirt bags like you ever consider such things? Rhetorical question of course as we all know dirt birds such as you just couldn't give a tinker's damn about ruining lives or creating unmentionable human misery. Many of these unfortunate individuals commit suicide or spend most of their lives living in a state of clinical depression. Another case for legal abortion is when, a very young teenager, say 15 years old, becomes pregnant to her equally young boyfriend but neither the two want to proceed with pregnancy. Take a hike you piece of shit.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
2 points

I'm a women and have 3 kids, ages 19 -24, and 1 granddaughter age 4.

Not all of them were planned, and some came at very bad times! But life throws you curve balls. And LOL, sometimes, I'd like to throw those curve balls back!

Birth control was available 19 - 25 years ago, I failed to use them. So we had 3 daughters. My daughter failed to use them 4 - 5 years ago. So we had Lilly.

We adore our unplanned granddaughter. But at 1st it was a "crisis." We looked at adoption and tried to push my daughter that direction. She wasn't ready, and neither were we! But now, Lilly is a part of us and we'd be broken without her!

All 3 of my daughters NOW use birth control. They understand their rights and also their responsibilities to take control of their own bodies, their own lives, and their own reproduction. If they don’t, than that’s a choice too. They have the right to all of these choices. As for me, I chose a tubal ligation after child number 3. It was a good choice for me.

This issue’s debate is not a battle For or Against women’s reproductive rights.

It’s not a battle For or Against "a woman’s right to choose to have or to not have a baby” nor the “right to control her own body and reproduction!"

Bottom line:

If you want to debate these rights, then lets be crystal clear about what the issues actually are and what you are REALLY asking for.

You are REALLY asking for “The Right To Choose To Have An Abortion"

Let's not cloud, or mask it, or try to make it sound different with debate points such as "the right to control our own body and reproduction!" Or how unfair it is "because the guy can walk away, but us as woman, our body may be forced to be pregnant for 9 months.” On 1 point of those points in reality the “unfairness” is only partially true. Laws can make a guy pay till a child turns 18.

Women have every RIGHT to control their own bodies and their reproduction. That control is "birth control." There are many varieties available to choose from.

Arm implants are available to make birth control easy and mindless lasting for 3 years. That’s a long time to be sexually free and also pregnancy free!

Many other choices are also available such as injections that last for 3 months. Patches, IUD’s, daily pills, if you are good at remembering to take them. And also condoms to use as needed. And additional spermicides available if your afraid of breaking condoms. All making reproduction within your full control.

There is very little room here to make any logical arguments in support of the “right to have an abortion” as a reproductive choice for unwanted pregnancies.

So "pro-life" and "right of abortion" aside, just consider other factors of abortion such as cost, the abuses and expense of abortion, agencies and corruption, and the risk to a woman’s health physically, psychologically, and emotionally. Moral positions aside, the "right to choose an abortion" isn’t justifiable, it’s wasteful!

WHY should government and tax payers fund and give "rights for women to choose an abortion" when we already fund a woman’s right to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the 1st place.

Its not justifiable to give women who FAIL to take control of their own bodies and their own reproduction the right to choose an abortion when there are so many varieties of birth control available for women to use. Many of these options are easily available and even provided for FREE!!!

We need to seriously weigh issues and compare degree of priority.

Value everything according to our own internal meter.

But, while we do that, consider everything else. It's our house, everything matters!

Side: I Have a Better Solution

Can you imagine going up to a foster chid and saying to him...... in my own small selfish mind, you should not be alive to enjoy life and make of it what you choose. I in all my inhuman arrogance will decide for you the value of your life.

I am God and can see your future. The Abraham Lincoln's of the world shoud have been killed rather than being raised in a poor family. They will never amount to anything, right?

I guarantee you that if you went up to every Foster child and asked if he would rather be allowed to keep living, or to die today, what his answer would be 99.99% of the time.

Do you hear the racist element to this argument? He is sayng there is a much larger percentage of Black Babies being aborted, so this is why we should keep the killing legal.

Can you imagine how far America has fallen into the gutter, that we now have people rationalizing the value of a life by it's status. He is saying that if you are born into a poor family, or are unwanted, your life is somehow less valuable.

I feel sorry for every special needs child in a culture filled with men like this who probably judge the value of their life on their IQ.

So lets get this very straight, Smilling Bob thinks that if you are not wanted by your parents, your life has no value. WOW!

The truth of the matter is that Smilling Bob puts money ahead of a Baby's life. He does not want more Babies living off his taxes so his answer is killing them. Especially Black Babies.

Does that kind of show you the moral values of Conservatives and Christians who are willing to pay more taxes feeding these children if they should end up on wefare, to those on the Left who say it is better to kill them.

Compassion from the Left? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Side: I Have a Better Solution
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Does that kind of show you the moral values of Conservatives and Christians who are willing to pay more taxes feeding these children if they should end up on wefare, to those on the Left who say it is better to kill them.

Wow, you will say anything.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

If the foster child is alive then there was no abortion and no reason for your imaginary conversation. If the abortion happened then there would be no reason to discuss it as there would be no child. Which renders your statement pointless.

Why do you always think that Poor people don't want children?? That is just crazy talk. People have abortions not because they are too poor but because they don't love the child to be enough to nurture them to adulthood.

I have known people who were unwanted as children they grew up in places other than that loving family home. I can say with confidence that if you ask at the start of adulthood you will not find 99% of these unwanted children who would say that they are glad they were born.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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You see how you play games with words? I never asked them if they were glad they were born. I asked them if they would rather be dead, or would they rather keep living. OBVIOUSLY their lives are not so bad if they would rather keep living. Abortion would have ended their life. A life they admit is better than being dead.

What you keep denying is that they are aready alive in the womb. They are a living growig human being and no matter how many times you call them by their medical name "fetus" does not change the fact that they are every bit as much a human life as you or I. It is self love denial to the extreme to try and say they are not a living growing human being. Can you be that much in denial of what you support doing to a human life?

I know there were many parents such as Abraham Lincoln's parents who maybe did not want to have another child because of beng poor, etc., but back then they had not been indoctrinated with self love over humanity. They simply did what was right and put another life ahead of their own selfish desires. Guess what? I bet they loved Abraham even though they did not want to have him. Somehow they still found a way to feed their chldren even if it meant no money for alcohol, drugs, ciggarettes, casinos, vactions, cell phones, etc. etc.

It's used to be the most basic of human traits and compassion, to love one's own child.

Can you grasp the simple fact of how many millions of parents who never wanted to get pregnant..... STILL LOVED THEIR CHILD? Today people like you would tell them it is better to abort an unwanted child.

This is how far a culture can degrade when it loses it's conscience and selfless love for a child.

Side: I Have a Better Solution
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

You make the claim that their is an element of racism. This is not the case I was explaining that FACTUALLY there are less people willing to adopt black children. This is not a comment from me but a FACT. Factually speaking the black population make up 14% of the USA and commit 40% of all violent crime. Let's face the facts, you have never adopted an unwanted black baby and never will so until you take action you are just part of the problem

Side: It is the Humane Answer
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
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You definitely don't understand intellectual logic, it's not about money or race or taxes. It's about preventing the overpopulation of our world with unwanted unloved people that suffer or cause suffering. If something never exists (an aborted fetus) it doesn't suffer nor does it cause suffering. It has no future, it has no past.

I have not met many Christian conservatives who would vote to increase the welfare spending take care of the other million people each year that would have been aborted. Now you are just making things up.

On a personal note, I have worked with the mentally handicapped. I would say that there a some that would have been better off if they had never existed. The truth is that most of them live very happy lives. They are not unhappy with life making them successful in life.

Side: It is the Humane Answer
1 point

The most humane method is to kill the mother with a fast-killing method so she feels barely any pain but being humane is not our top priority when it puts our future survival at stake.

Side: I Have a Better Solution
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

In some cases you would be correct, when the mother is a drug addicted, self loathing, unwanted person who must get high to make it through her pathetic life. This is exactly why abortion is needed. This is exactly what should not happen the long term suffering rather than a failure to exist.

Side: It is the Humane Answer

Why does everyone do this debate?? Totally ridiculous................

Side: I Have a Better Solution
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

Not ridiculous, it is a serious topic that deserves discussion. The topic tears families apart it causes political polarity, this topic has caused people to die. I see ridiculous debates all of the time, just look in the entertainment section.

Side: It is the Humane Answer

You see how you play games with words? I never asked them if they were glad they were born. I asked them if they would rather be dead, or would they rather keep living. OBVIOUSLY their lives are not so bad if they would rather keep living. Abortion would have ended their life. A life they admit is better than being dead.

What you keep denying is that they are aready alive in the womb. They are a living growig human being and no matter how many times you call them by their medical name "fetus" does not change the fact that they are every bit as much a human life as you or I. It is self love denial to the extreme to try and say they are not a living growing human being. Can you be that much in denial of what you support doing to a human life?

I know there were many parents such as Abraham Lincoln's parents who maybe did not want to have another child because of beng poor, etc., but back then they had not been indoctrinated with self love over humanity. They simply did what was right and put another life ahead of their own selfish desires. Guess what? I bet they loved Abraham even though they did not want to have him. Somehow they still found a way to feed their chldren even if it meant no money for alcohol, drugs, ciggarettes, casinos, vactions, cell phones, etc. etc.

It's used to be the most basic of human traits and compassion, to love one's own child.

Can you grasp the simple fact of how many millions of parents who never wanted to get pregnant..... STILL LOVED THEIR CHILD? Today people like you would tell them it is better to abort an unwanted child.

This is how far a culture can degrade when it loses it's conscience and selfless love for a child.

Side: I Have a Better Solution
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
2 points

If there is no consciousness (self awareness) there is no desire to live. If you have an opinion about it then abortion didn't effect you. So your logic is irrelevant. Look up the definition of life some time. A fetus fall very short of that definition. Have you looked around our world? It is filled with selfish people who lack empathy. This is nothing new. Read the Bible, 6000 years ago life was the same. The strong conquered the weak and killed anyone who got in the way. Back then they would just murder the unwanted children that were alive, (not humane). Compassion is something we have for things we care about. For example if you were as compassionate about this life. you would be willing to give up what ever you had to in order to save some. You could go to an abortion clinic and take in some of these unwanted pregnancies nurture them support them and make sure that the fetus makes it to life, then create a loving environment for that life no matter what sacrifices you must make. Or you can be like me and do none of that because you realize that abortion is the better thing for everyone.

Side: It is the Humane Answer

Of course a fetus has consciousness.

What evidence do you have to disprove it?

Why would you say they don't have any, do you stick boxing gloves up pregnant mothers wombs, to render the foetuses unconscious?

Seriously, where's the proof!

HAHAHAHAHHA!!!

Please, prove it to stop me laughing!

Side: It is the Humane Answer