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Abortion in the USA is not the crisis its opponents portray

The Supreme Court today struck down the Texas law highly restricting abortion access.  A sideline on the media discussion included this summary of information which is contrary to alot of what the abortion opponents assert.  http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/health/abortion-in-america-charts-and-graphs-trnd/index.html

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Side Score: 19
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Crisis

Side Score: 16
2 points

Abortion has been steadily declining since it became legal, late term abortions are quite rare, and the people seeking abortions often are religious and already have given birth to children. This isn't simply an army of slutty young atheist women getting knocked up and then turning to abortion as a form of birth control. Nor is this one particular party orchestrating mass murder. Nor is it simply a business trying to turn a profit. The people seeking abortion are diverse, have a wide variety of reasons why they make the choice, are going to physicians who have a right to say no and in some cases do when appropriate, and these women often already had children they're trying to raise properly.

This is not a Holocaust scenario. It's women exercising a public health option which has already been upheld multiple times by our nation's final voice on laws and constitutionality.

Side: No Crisis
1 point

Well said. I have had the experience. My first wife's doctor said she MUST have an abortion. In that state it was the decision of ONE Catholic doctor whether an abortion would be allowed. He said no, without even an exam. Our doctor (who had delivered my wife into the world), gave her an illegal abortion TO SAVE HER LIFE, and gave her two more years with her 6/9 year old daughters that sorely needed her at that time! It MUST be a RIGHT to have that choice! It's a shame the religious "right" (I shudder to use that term!), has turned a woman's choice into a horror show that doesn't exist!

Side: No Crisis
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
-1 points

HOGWASH LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any women murdering unborn babies are not true Christians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Crisis
Grenache(6053) Clarified
2 points

I suspect that was just a mockery post, but I'll indulge you...

Yes, Christians supposedly aren't allowed to have abortions. But their vengeful God SURE CAN:

"God will punish women by aborting their fetus through a miscarriage.

“Give them, O LORD–what will You give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.” (Hosea 9:14)

God teaches the use of a bizarre ritual using cursed “bitter water” to abort a fetus who was conceived through infidelity. (Numbers 5:11-21)

God orders Moses to kill every Midianite woman who was no longer a virgin. (many of these women would obviously have been pregnant) (Numbers 31:15-18)

God promises to destroy the infants of Samaria and rip open the stomachs of pregnant women.

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:16)

God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah to be ripped open.

At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women. (2 Kings 15:16)

God commands the killing of infants and nursing babies.

Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. (1 Samuel 15:3)

God repays your enemies by destroying their babies.

Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us. He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. (Psalms 137:8-9)"

Side: No Crisis
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
2 points

might point out that not all women are, or wish to BE "Christians". Only about 150M in this country call themselves Christians (And the majority of THEM are CYA Christians.) This country never did, and I hope they never will, live under a strict "Christian doctrine"! "There will be no religious test.....etc."

So, take your Christian rules and...live by them. Over half of us do not wish to.

Side: No Crisis

I'm glad the supreme court made the right decision this morning.

Side: No Crisis
2 points

since abortion was legalized, the number of babies killed equals the number of people now living in 25 of the United States. Yes, the lower populated states.....and look at the area........far over one half of the land surface on the country.

Aren't you glad you were not aborted so you can see how stupid you are?

Side: Crisis
Grenache(6053) Disputed
1 point

Let's look at that. It's been 43 years since the verdict. The number reported for total abortions since Roe runs between 54 and 58 mil. That's a little over 1 mil a year. Yes, 1 mil is nothing to sneeze at. But now let's consider that the birth rate itself is 4 mil or higher. That's 172 mil who indeed were born. Actual births dwarf abortions. And then you've still got immigration on top of that.

Our institutions and economy barely succeed with covering those who were born, and/or who immigrated, and you're basically saying add 25 states worth of people not wanted, whose parents could not afford to have them, and it's all going to work out just great. Nonsense.

Ultimately the volume of abortions are not the crisis your side portrays, and to the contrary, the crush to society if 25 states worth of unwanted underfunded babies were to be thrown on top would be crippling to the country.

And by the way, you tossed in an insult at the end, which is what you're always accusing the people you ban of doing whether they did or not. Hypocrite.

Side: No Crisis
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
2 points

Aren't you glad you were not killed inside your mother's womb so you can be here pretending to be intelligent?

Side: No Crisis
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Yeah, good thing they killed all those babies so we don't have to share with them.

Side: Crisis
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Sorry, but stupid sums it all up for you. You can ban me. I don't care. Murdering ONE baby is a crisis, and you condone it. It's stupid, and that is an understatement. It's evil, and in supporting abortion you have innocent blood on your hands. There is only one side.....just because you oppose it does not make your argument valid.

Speaking the truth is not hypocrisy, you are an idiot heaping up God's wrath on yourself, and you are being stupid refusing to listen to reason. Defending abortion is evil, and you are stupid to do it. You are being an idiot.

I hope that clears things up, but I'm sure you will just have a glass of wine and blow it off, daring God to prove He is against you in your pride.

Side: Crisis
1 point

How many people a year are killed in self-defense?

At what number would self-defense become a crisis?

Side: No Crisis

Here is a link speaking to the truth of the issue without being filtered by leftwing media spewing their pro abortion rhetoric.

What a shock, all the Democrat appointed Justices voted to keep the killing of innocent children as easy as possible. The Democrat party(party that usually loves regulations) wants fewer regulations when it comes to the quality of the clinics and safety for women, and the quality of doctors when killing babies.

What phony hypocrites! They care nothing for innocent life. They care for the pro abortion vote and pro abortion big money.

This is why anyone who votes for Hillary will be supporting no restriction abortions kept legal by her next pro abortion supreme court justice appointment.

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/06/27/supreme-court-overturns-texas-law-saving-tens-of-thousands-of-babies-from-abortion/

Side: Crisis
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

notice how this evil bastard's (and the word is not cussing, it's a Biblical term, referring to a child without chastisement of a father, it is fitting for somebody who defies God and supports murdering children) first expression responding to you is "lol". He thinks killing babies is funny.

Side: No Crisis
Grenache(6053) Disputed
0 points

No, I think hypocrisy is hillarious. He attacked my public source by turning to one solely devoted to promoting one side, his. Hypocrite. I also think it's funny how 95% of the people on this site think you're full of cr@p but you keep going on like we're the ones who don't get it.

Side: No Crisis
1 point

wants fewer regulations when it comes to the quality of the clinics and safety for women

Baloney! The regulation was meant specifically to close clinics - not to improve safety.

From the Court's opinion:

"when directly asked at oral argument whether Texas knew of a single instance in which the new requirement would have helped even one woman obtain better treatment, Texas admitted that there was no evidence in the record of such a case."

"Abortion, as regulated by the State before the enactment of House Bill 2, has been shown to be much safer, in terms of minor and serious complications, than many common medical procedures not subject to such intense regulation and scrutiny."

' "it is extremely unlikely that a patient will experience a serious complication at the clinic that requires emergent hospitalization" and “in the rare case in which [one does], the quality of care that the patient receives is not affected by whether the abortion provider has admitting privileges at the hospital." '

etc.

Side: No Crisis
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

LOL, what fools you Democrats are. YOU ARE THE PARTY OF REGULATIONS but when it comes to a woman's health....KILLING AS MANY BABIES AS POSSIBLE WITH AS LITTLE STRINGS AS POSSIBLE COMES FIRST!

I thought it was those unregulated back alley clinics that women were so fearful of! Nah, Democrats just wanted to make it legal and easier to kill unborn babies.

Funny when it comes to starting a business, Democrats make it a nightmare to do so with regulations.

Side: Crisis
Grenache(6053) Disputed
0 points

lol. Your answer to my publicly recognized news source is to quote a pro life blog written by pro lifers for pro lifers and that's what you call the objective truth? http://www.lifenews.com/about/

Hey, how about we turn to Clinton's campaign staff to get the objective truth about who should be the next President? Right? That should do away with any filtered slant. Uh huh.

Side: No Crisis
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

What fools such as yourself seem to not realize or do realize and support it, is that most of the main stream Liberal biased media is the same as Hillary's campaign staff. You will get no objective truth from the vast majority of news sources. They WANT HILLARY TO WIN!!

ARE YOU TRULY THAT BLIND?

The pro life sites are obviously going to speak to the OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT. The side that these biased news sources REFUSE to speak to. We all know the pro abortion rhetoric from the Left wing media. We have heard it for decades. I will give you deceptive liars the other side of the story.

Remember the recent editing from the Liberal media to gun control interviews where they added a LONG PAUSE before the answer? The pause never existed but was added to make the viewer think the gun control people had no answers to the question. This is what the liberal media does. They are in bed with the Left in case you live under some rock!

This is why I ban you many times. You can not be that blind to see the bias in our media, therefore you must be in bed with them. I have better things to do than debate a lieing deceptive ideolog.

Side: Crisis
Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
0 points

You have to remember though his only accepted news source is fox news.

Side: No Crisis

With the texas abortion clinic's decision, Democrats prove their total hypocrisy and double standard with regulations. They have no problem with businesses forced to close or go overseas because of too many regulations. They never ask the question if a closed business is better than an open one? Are you starting to get it now?

TOO MANY REGULATIONS KILL JOBS! To many regulations send businesses overseas!

The Democrat party never cares how hard it is for small businesses to get off the ground because of regulations. But when it comes to the big money abortion trade? They scream if an abortion clinic shuts down from the regulations! They scream....WHO WORRIES ABOUT THE WOMAN'S SAFETY? DON'T MAKE IT HARDER FOR CLINICS TO PROFIT FROM THE ABORTION TRADE! STOP THE REGULATIONS!

Democrats all of a sudden understand how regulations shut down business and they scream! They don't like it when it affects their voting blocks.

Do you see their priorities?

Side: Crisis
1 point

Every person for abortion has already been born, ergo, not been aborted. Argo, Ben Affleck

Side: Crisis