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All is true, but still, there is no reason for men not to have a say :L If a man thinks he has something useful to say why not put it forth? Besides, most men will say " You can't ban abortion, because it is the woman's choice, you don't have the right to say what she can do." I can tell you this is pretty much what I said in most of my debates!
Can I ask you a question? Since the man is supposed to take responsibility for the child if it is born, do you believe that the man should be allowed the choice of not taking the responsibility of a child? I was wondering what your stance on that was.
Of course honey. The woman wants the baby, but Dad is not ready, she releases him from legal obligation. The man wants the baby but not mom: if she does give birth, she is not obligated. People have the right to choose. :)
Thank you. Your stance is reasonable, but I don't think that aspect of the pro choice is considered enough. I think there needs to be more done than declaring that abortion be legal. I think we need to fully discuss child support to cover the whole issue.
Thank you. I agree. We need to support comprehensive sex education for all ages, support Planned Parenthood because they give access to contraception, and protect a women's and a man's right to choose permanent contraception if they are at least 20, pass a psych exam, and sign papers releasing the doctors from liability.
I think if we bring up all those things at once including the ability to avoid taking responsibility for a child you don't want. If everything is discussed, I believe that abortion rights will be much harder to deny.
Women often are denied permanent contraception. People act like a woman is effed in the head if she does not want children. I am not going to my doctor, because the medical agency is Catholic, so fat chance there. I am going right to Planned Parenthood.
If they have 2 children, are married, and are at least 30, they might get lucky. I am going to do it if I have to Jane Roe those bitches though. I am not an effing baby machine.
So lets talk a hyothetical situation. A women gets pregnant, she wants to be a mother while the man does not. He says he will leave he if she does not get an abortion. How would you respond to that given that you just said he would be free from legal obligation to support her.
How is this just the woman's choice? Doesn't it take the man's sperm to make a child as well? By this sperm, he becomes the biological father of that child, and should have a major say in whether his child is murdered.
Specifically the woman wanting, or trying to get the abortion. I think it's less of a debate for women and more of an option. Anti-abortion and pro-life women should have the right to not have to have an abortion but they should not have the right to press that belief on the women who do want one or need one.
"Anti-abortion and pro-life women should have the right to not have to have an abortion but they should not have the right to press that belief on the women who do want one or need one."
Do those women have the right to defend the rights of children in the womb or is that a choice you would rather they not have?
Everyone has the right to defend whatever they want, but I don't see how one woman getting an abortion is a problem for another woman. It's not like the act of ending that life will cause her's to end.
If you knew that children were being harmed and molested in a clinic near your home and they were not your kids or your families kids... would you just let it slide?
Males do not have to carry the baby. If a male is in a relationship where he wants a baby but she (the female) does not, they should be able to compromise. If they can't, then it's an unhealthy relationship. Ultimately, it is the woman who will be risking and giving the most for a child, so it should be her decision.
It's the woman's body and she should choose what to do with it but the man of the relationship should have a say too as it would be his future child as well as hers.
For better or worse I can assure you that the abortion laws were drafted by men being that politicians are usually male. Therefore it has been a male issue to decide.
Quite frankly if a woman was aborting a fetus beyond the point where it is legal I'd call the police. Issues of child protection are issues for society as a whole not just the person who feels they have possession over the child or fetus.
No they do not. Men do not have the right to force their will on the woman who is pregnant. Forced pregnancy is no better than rape. Women are not the property of men and women have the right to choose.
No they do not. Their bodies are not affected by the pregnancy. The person who carries the fetus has the right to choose, and no one else. My body, my right, my choice. I am do not have to be an organ donor if I do not want to be.
What kind of faulty logic is that? If you consent to Sex, you MUST concent to the Potential of becoming pregnant, because sex, under most circumstances, has the potential to create a pregnancy. If you don't want the risk of getting pregnant, don't have sex, or at least, don't have sex in such a manner that pregnancy could potentially happen. That is, oral, anal, or hand. Vaginal sex, even with contraception, will always have the small off chance to result in conception, whether you like it or not.
Women have the child. Women were first to get pregnant. Pregnancy is a womens topic. Same logic. Do you have any actual reason as to why men take part in it?
I agree equality means no special treatment we are equal any thing we can do you can do anything you can do we can do. However if you want special treatment we can certainly do that. it will however cost you your right to vote. (Equality is a two way street ladies)
Insulted?? No I don't think so, I don;t think I just insulted all women! I said if women want equal votes, they shouldn't make special exceptions for themselves. Not insulting at all, you used the wrong word.
Well it is according to me. And I can say straight off that the way you're taking this you sound like the exact feminist I was aiming it at. Let me guess, you're now conjuring up an image of myself being a misogynistic bastard! Well no, I am all for equal rights, I just don't understand when some women decide " We ask for equal rights, set up women only associations, and complain when men try to do the same." But the point of my argument, is men should have a say in abortion, if they have something useful to say.
So I am a feminist now? And no I didnt even waste time imaging you at all. I clearly said this isnt my opinion. Yet you think it is. I agree with you but not your initial statement.
Allrighty then, I would have thought you were a feminist given what you have said, and I would have also thought this would be your opinion too, also based on what you've argued. But if this is all wrong, then let it be!
I do not see a rulebook saying women cant. Also its a human sport. I am sure women debated about things back in the B.C. time period. Do you have anything else?
I disagree. That is like political debates. I am sure women have debated with others just as humans debate over anything. I am referring to plain bickering.
That is irrelevant to the premise of which the topic of debate- which is involved with that of a woman's problem. It does not matter which gender invented a label for the word of controlled argumentation- debating is based solely on topical matters, and males in this current topic of debate are not as entitled to debate about what they will never experience first-hand, in a first-person perspective as they are not women.
Eventing was considered a man's sport. Until the mid 50's women were not allowed to enter the Badminton Horse Trials. The only person to ever win it 6 times? A woman, Pippa Funnel.
That is prodigee . Probably best not to reply to him. He doesn't really believe what he types nor is there any reasoning behind it so if you ask him why - he won't know.
How do men take part in pregnancy? Are you really that out of it. We take part in it by providing the sperm. That gives us a major say in the issue since it is our child as well.
I actually thought the first amendment gave all of us equal rights to discuss all of the issues - regardless of who is affect more or less by our decisions.
I do like the idea of only gun owners having the right to debate gun issues though....
But we're not now so abortion does not affect us if we do not abort. If the men want to protect their children, they can gender change and have children themselves.
You have slipped over the edge of being beyond reasonable.
A biological father is obligated for child support just for his part in getting the woman pregnant.
He faces 18 years or more of child support if she keeps the child.
For you to say that men have no say in these debates is ludicrous and thank goodness our law makers see the big picture and how abortions affect more than only the woman.
That's because he has responsibility for getting her pregnant. She has responsibility to choose what to do with the foetus, keep it, abort it, throw it in a care home.
Random but I'm curious: What is your opinion on the morning after pill?
Some female-to-male transgender people can become pregnant, while still identifying as men. This is possible for individuals who still have functioning ovaries and a uterus.[14][15][16] For example, Matt Rice, a transgender man, bore a son named Blake in October 1999[17] following random sperm donations from three cisgender male friends[18] during a relationship with transgender writer Patrick Califia.[18]
Thomas Beatie, another transgender man, has borne three children. He chose to become pregnant because his wife Nancy was infertile, doing so with cryogenic donated sperm and a syringe, at home. Thomas wrote an article about the experience in The Advocate.[16] The Washington Post further broadened the story on March 25 when blogger Emil Steiner called Beatie the first "legally" pregnant man on record,[19] in reference to certain states' and federal legal recognition of Beatie as a man.[15][16] In 2010, Guinness World Records recognized Beatie as the world's "First Married Man to Give Birth."[20] Beatie gave birth to a girl named Susan Juliette Beatie on June 29, 2008.[21][22] Barbara Walters announced Beatie's second pregnancy on The View,[23] and Beatie gave birth to a boy named Austin Alexander Beatie on June 9, 2009.[24] Beatie gave birth to his third child, a boy named Jensen James Beatie, on July 25, 2010.[25] Beatie has since had a phalloplasty to create an artificial penis and is also considering a hysterectomy.[26]
This proves my point though, beatie was born with female repoductive parts. even though he has surgery to become more like a man, he still maintain his origanal sexual reproduction function. show me an example of a male to female sex change that let the individual carry a child, than i will listen.
Abortion affects everyone. It should not just be limited to one gender or another. Both sides should be able to speak their minds on the matter at hand.
Here is why, if it is purely the choice of the woman whether to keep a child or not, then men shouldn't be responsible for child support. That isn't fair.
If a woman can kill the child or keep it, as a choice, men shouldn't be responsible for child support if they have no say.
If woman do not have a say, and it is illegal to kill children, then men are responsible for child support.
If the man promised to support the baby as it was conceived or during the pregnancy, then it is the man's responsibility to support it.
If the man has responsibility due to an abortion occurring or not, then they should have a say. If they do not, then they should be freed of all consequences.
However, if the woman does not want the baby then it is her choice. If a man does not want the baby, then he shouldn't have to pay child support unless he promised her this in order to have sex with her.
