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Abortion is murder

Abortion is murder

Fact 1 - your killing a human being

Fact 2 - it's murder

Fact 3 - Murder is illegal, so is abortion.

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Cuaroc(5369) Banned
2 points

Ah so you finally snapped Chuzzy?

| Side: Agree
2 points

what the hell. Of course you all are on the wrong way if you agreed on NEGATIVE POSITION. Abortion is a murder. Murder means that you killed someone that had no fault with you. Now just think about it. Does the baby (in the shift) make some mistakes? not at all. THE WORST DOINGS IS DONE by her YOUNG MUM and DAD. That's so disgusting and can't be forgiven. The summary is MURDER IS YOU, WHO KILLED YOUR OWN BABY.

| Side: Agree
2 points

A man and a woman steps into a doctors office. They are both deaf and blind. The woman is pregnant with child and the doctor runs test and sees that this child will most likely wind up both deaf and blind. Would you abort this baby?

If you said yes, congratulations, you killed Beethoven.

| Side: Agree
1 point

In as much as the laws which for now allow for voluntary (elective) abortions to continue are themselves "illegal" and unconstitutional.... Yeah. An abortion is a murder and a crime against humanity - just like slavery was also a crime against humanity while it too was once upheld as legal and constitutional.

It would be great to see how some of the pro-aborts reconcile the laws which make the killing of a child in a crime like robbery - a crime of murder and the laws which (for now) keep abortions legal.

It's not too hard to imagine that the players could be the same in either case. Same mother, same child, same killer even... just different laws and circumstances.

| Side: Agree
1 point

You make murder sound like it's a bad thing.

| Side: Agree

Just ban me.

| Side: Agree
5 points

Fact 1 - your killing a human being

Fact 2 - it's murder

Fact 3 - Murder is illegal, so is abortion.

A fetus is a fetus. A human being typically refers to a being outside of the body past the stage of a fetus. Some that has developed into the child stage like a baby chick. Once it pops out of the egg its a chicky and will begin its life long journey.

Murder is unlawful or unjust. If the mom is in desperate need she has a just reason especially if her life is on the line. Most abortions occur in the embryo stage.

Murder is illegal. However murder involves malicious intent. I dont know of a mother that gets abortions for the fun of it with a malicious intent in mind.

If it was absolutely illegal then why do we still go underway with them?

| Side: Disagree
lolzors93(3215) Disputed
1 point

A fetus is a fetus. A human being typically refers to a being outside of the body past the stage of a fetus. Some that has developed into the child stage like a baby chick. Once it pops out of the egg its a chicky and will begin its life long journey.

So if a baby is born premature, then is it a human being? Is it more human because it was born a month earlier than a baby that is still in the mother's womb right at 9 months?

Murder is unlawful or unjust. If the mom is in desperate need she has a just reason especially if her life is on the line. Most abortions occur in the embryo stage.

The end does not justify the means.

Murder is illegal. However murder involves malicious intent. I dont know of a mother that gets abortions for the fun of it with a malicious intent in mind.

Abortion is always murder.

If it was absolutely illegal then why do we still go underway with them?

Because we are an evil world.

| Side: Agree
LizziexLaura(4269) Disputed Banned
2 points

Why would you respond to her when you know she cant respond? That is a cheap shot.

| Side: Disagree
4 points

Fact 1 - you're killing a human fetus

Fact 2 - sure, I murdered a fly yesterday.

Fact 3 - Yeah. Make it illegal to kill ants too.

| Side: Disagree
trumpet_guy(478) Clarified
3 points

Save the trees, kill the children :D

| Side: Agree
ghostheadX(416) Disputed
2 points

Fact 2 - sure, I murdered a fly yesterday.

Fact 3 - Yeah. Make it illegal to kill ants too.

Those are both opinionated answers. Only fact one is actually a fact. And even then, that comparison only matters assuming a fetus is equal to a fly. What if it's equal to a human being? Your assumption relies on a possibility which is the wrong way to try to prove someone wrong.

| Side: Agree
Cartman(7250) Banned
3 points

Fact 1 - your killing a human being

Maybe so, I don't dispute this here.

Fact 2 - it's murder

Abortion is legal, so technically, it isn't murder.

Fact 3 - Murder is illegal, so is abortion.

Half correct, but obviously abortion is not illegal, so that's not a fact.

| Side: Disagree

Ha, ha..., you got banned again ;)

| Side: Disagree
2 points

I'm against abortion, but its not murder. Murder is the act of illegally killing another person. It is not illegal to kill a human that is in the whom and they are not given person hood by the state, so it is not murder.

...let me guess, BANNED for being irrational, ignorant, in denial and making false claims, right?

| Side: Disagree
lolzors93(3215) Disputed
3 points

I'm against abortion, but its not murder. Murder is the act of illegally killing another person. It is not illegal to kill a human that is in the whom and they are not given person hood by the state, so it is not murder.

Murder is not illegal killing; it is unjustified killing. If the state said that it is okay to kill humans once a day (as in the purge movie), then it would still be murder, unjustified killing, but simply not illegal.

| Side: Agree
libertyFTW(210) Disputed Banned
2 points

Actually check your dictionary according to it it is illegal killing.

| Side: Disagree
2 points

Hi Chuz. Man its pathetic what youve lowered yourself too isnt it?

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder) and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)

Abortion isnt committed with malice it is a medical procedure and is protected under the law instead of disapproved of by it. Your opinion doesnt matter, the law is the law.

| Side: Disagree
ABORTIONSUCK(41) Disputed
3 points

BANNED for calling me chuz, and making false claims and other things.

| Side: Agree
ABORTIONSUCK(41) Disputed
2 points

BANNED for being irrational, in denial, being ignorant and making false claims, and supporting abortion.

| Side: Agree
Atrag(2817) Banned
2 points

Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. Whether a fetus is a human being or not, it is lawful to abort it. Therefore it would merely be the lawful killing of a human being and not murder. If you doubt lawful killing exists then think about killing during a war, killing in self-defence / necessity or killing as a punishment.

| Side: Disagree
ABORTIONSUCK(41) Disputed
2 points

BANNED for making false claims and other things .

| Side: Disagree
2 points

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being, abortion is legal for the most part therefore it is not murder.

| Side: Disagree
2 points

I eat eggs for breakfast. Am i murdering a chicken fetus?

The minimum argument length is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible

| Side: Disagree
harmnone(2) Clarified
3 points

A chcken egg is a chickens menstrual secretions including an unfertilised egg. But you are supporting the killing of chickens.

| Side: Agree
2 points

Abortion is legal, murder is not.

| Side: Disagree

Fact : You are killing a human being.

Oh really? It is not fully developed, it has yet to have any cognitive ability, it is a Fetus. A FETUS. If it were a human, than why would we call it a fetus. But you know what? I'll allow you to believe it is a human being. Yes, it WILL indeed become a human being after it is given time to further develop. But in the stages in which woman get abortions, it isn't. "Evolution" happens during the developmental process. We look just like other fetuses. We have gills and everything, but beings we are GOING to become human, that trait goes away. But in the meantime, we aren't, therefore we have that trait.

Fact 2: It's murder.

I don't know about you, but I was under the silly impression that a fact has evidence. I view this so called fact to be more of your own opinion, as well as all the other "Abortion is wrong" believers. It isn't murder. Killing a spider is more of a murder than aborting a fetus. Why? Because a spider is actually alive and developed fully. Where as a fetus is not.

Fact 3: Murder is Illegal, so is abortion

This is my personal favorite. Yes, murder is Illegal, congratulations, you successfully used a proper fact. But you ruined it with "So is abortion" Abortion isn't illegal, and I know as much as you wish it was, it isn't. Sorry to break it to you. Maybe it is just because I am in a bad mood, but I am so tired of most of you guys saying it is murder and saying it is so wrong and thinking just because YOU guy's don't agree with it the law should just change to make YOU happy. Why can't you just let everyone do whatever the hell they want. If they want to get an abortion, let them. Does it affect you? NO. Didn't think so.

| Side: Disagree
trumpet_guy(478) Clarified
2 points

At what stage is it considered a human and in turn given rights and why?

| Side: Agree
JadynDonovan(244) Clarified
1 point

They are considered human once they have evolved into a completely human fetus, however they are not given rights until they are born. But even then it is limited considering they are babies. But in the first very early stages, they are not human, therefore it isn't considered murder.

| Side: Agree
Chuz-Life(522) Disputed
2 points

Let's play Name that Fallacy

Sometimes, more than one is applicable.

Oh really? It is not fully developed, it has yet to have any cognitive ability, it is a Fetus. A FETUS. If it were a human, than why would we call it a fetus....

A. Appeal to Ridicule

B. Appeal to Belief

C. Appeal to Authority

D. Appeal to Common Practice

It isn't murder. Killing a spider is more of a murder than aborting a fetus. Why? Because a spider is actually alive and developed fully. Where as a fetus is not.

A. Appeal to Ridicule

B. Appeal to Belief

C. Appeal to Emotion

D. Appeal to Common Practice

E. Composition Fallacy

F. False Dilemma

G. Mind Your Own Business Fallacy

Abortion isn't illegal, and I know as much as you wish it was, it isn't. Sorry to break it to you. Maybe it is just because I am in a bad mood, but I am so tired of most of you guys saying it is murder and saying it is so wrong and thinking just because YOU guy's don't agree with it the law should just change to make YOU happy. Why can't you just let everyone do whatever the hell they want. If they want to get an abortion, let them. Does it affect you? NO. Didn't think so.

A. Appeal to Ridicule

B. Appeal to Consequences of a Belief

C. Appeal to Emotion

D. Appeal to Common Practice

| Side: Agree
2 points

Fetus is not human, it will be but it's not , same as egg is not a chicken. So you cannot be punished for animal cruelty if you step on egg.

| Side: Disagree
Sitara(11099) Disputed
2 points

If the fetus is not human, what species is it? .

| Side: Agree
Nox0(1395) Disputed
2 points

It's not about it's species... it's all about it's stage of existence.

For example, if pregnant women eats anything, it will became part of the future baby, so technically she eats a human in it's pre-human stage. So pregnant women are cannibals.

What about tumors? They are build just and only from human cells and in human. So does that makes them alive or human on it's own?

Fetus it's a may'd-be-human ...

| Side: Disagree
2 points

Although a fetus bears the biological make-up of a human being at the stages of pregnancy where abortion is legal, it does not have many of the characteristics that make it a person. For instance, a fetus does not; eel pain, feel fear, love, it isn't capable of free thinking, nor is it fully aware of it's surroundings. The fetus is a mere biological entity, like an egg before hatching or a seed before germination.

Women deserve the right the chose whether or not to maintain a pregnancy. The choice may be based on a variety of reasons, e.g. the fetus will be born with a severe disability or ailment, the fetus was the result of rape or incest, the mother is mentally or physically unable to not only raise a child, but safely carry it as a fetus. However, this reasoning aside, women still have the right to decide what to do with their bodies. I am assuming many of the arguments here stem from people living in the States (I'm Scottish). What happened the 'Land of the Free', a nation where people have the right to freely exercise their own beliefs and live a lifestyle the suits them?

I agree that abortion shouldn't be seen as some kind of fail safe for people too ignorant or stupid to put on a condom, but I think this is rarely the case in society.

Anti-Abortion campaigns are another example of religion imposing its ugly face on politics. Basing politics on religious belief is dangerous and stupid, but that's a totally different debate.

| Side: Disagree
1 point

Chuz 2.0 I assume :D

| Side: Disagree
1 point

*you're .

| Side: Disagree
1 point

While babies that are aborted are living they do not have self conscious of the world or what they are so therefore when aborted never knew what life really was so it is not murder

| Side: Disagree
1 point

Essentially almost the same argument as "Is masturbation murder?" The difference is abortion is usually one death. Male masturbation would be considered mass genocide. You could argue that a sperm or an egg alone is not a complete human being, but neither is a fetus.

| Side: Disagree
1 point

Better abort than to raise a child your are not ready for, or even a child that you do not want.

Unwanted child usually leads to abuse from his/her parents.

When the mother aborts she definitely is clear on whether having a child now is a good idea or not for her.

Women who did not abort could turn out to be terrible mother too.

Bottom line: Abortion is a resonable option for women who believe they are not ready to have a child.

| Side: Disagree
Chuz-Life(522) Disputed
1 point

Better abort than to raise a child your are not ready for, or even a child that you do not want.

Unwanted child usually leads to abuse from his/her parents.

When the mother aborts she definitely is clear on whether having a child now is a good idea or not for her.

Women who did not abort could turn out to be terrible mother too.

Bottom line: Abortion is a resonable option for women who believe they are not ready to have a child.

Nevermind the fact that she's already carrying her child if she is pregnant.... right?

Question for you Bizmer.

Do you consider yourself to be a proponent for equal rights?

Children's rights?

| Side: Agree
Bimzer(57) Disputed
1 point

When I was writing my opinion, I thought of what would be best for both the mother and the unborn child.

Even if the scenerio is not one that the majority would be comfortable with.

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Since you mentioned about Children's Rights, I am sure you would also want the best for the unborn child.

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Unprepared parents are not good for the unborn child.

(See the reasons on my first post)

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You wouldn't want a child to suffer due to unprepared parents, or due to parents who did not even want them, right?

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The one who have to raise the child will be her, not us.

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If even the mother, the one carrying the child,

decides at the end that it's not a good time for her child to be born,

how are we the wiser to disagree with her?

| Side: Disagree
1 point

The fetus only has the POTENTIAL to become a human being. It will only become a human being if the mother goes through with pregnancy & childbirth.

Just like sperm has the POTENTIAL to become a human being, but will only become a human being if it's joined with an egg, becomes a fetus, and the mother goes through with pregnancy & childbirth.

There is a clear difference between being a human being, and being something that is able to become a human being. If everything with potential to become a human is considered to be human, then sperm is human, therefore jacking off is considered genocide.

| Side: Disagree
Sitara(11099) Disputed
2 points

If it is not a human being, what species is it? .

| Side: Agree


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