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Debate Score:73
Arguments:54
Total Votes:80
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After Trump and Brexit, is your faith in humanity damaged?

Yes

Side Score: 28
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No

Side Score: 45

Brexit made me delighted, I will be overjoyed to see the beast of Brussels banished from my country, however the US electing a horrible anti-LGBT, cringey, moronic individual like Trump with no political experience is something I cannot condone

Side: Yes
Atrag(5666) Clarified
2 points

Dear average voter, can you tell me the top 3 eu regulations or directives you feel have negatively impacted your life?

Side: Yes
1 point

That one regulation that allows the Muslims in. That other regulation that sends all that money to the EU. And the regulation that allows the Irish in. Fuck the Irish.

Side: Yes
Atrag(5666) Disputed
2 points

No reply? You have no clue do you? haha.

Side: No
2 points

Not even a single clue. It's hilarious.

Side: No
1 point

No lol I just don't like continentals. I'm a bigot you should know that by now ;)

Side: Yes
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

I'm surprised a leftie homo like you would possibly fall victim to the Brexit brainwash.

Side: No
1 point

1.I'm not lefite,

2. I dislike most foreigners because I'm gay, with the exception of Mulsims, Eastern Europeans are the worst when it comes to respecting gays, so I don't want them coming here.

Side: Yes
Hellno(17753) Disputed
1 point

Please tell me exactly what Trump has said or done that makes him anti-LGBT? He is the most LGBT friendly Republican President Elect ever. You, like so many others, are a victim of the lying main stream media.

Side: No
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

"Most LGBT friendly Republican President Elect ever" is hardly a striking accolade.

Side: Yes
0 points

His running mate would see us all in a conversion camp if he could. Pence is very anti-LGBT from what I've heard. Also Trump wants to do a way with gay marriage.

Side: Yes
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

As if you care about anything but the G anyways. His anti-constitutional positions on religion are more concerning to me (as a queer atheist, mind), but i don't expect you to care especially much about the broader legal ethic of foreign (or domestic) leaders. It's abundantly evident you dislike people on the basis of their nationality and religion alone, so it makes sense you wouldn't find those characteristics in an elected official problematic.

Side: No
1 point

I care about lesbians. I care about trans people who are actually transsexual and not claiming to be "non-binary" or some made up tumblr shite just to be special.

Side: Yes
1 point

But then again, I never had much to begin with.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, your faith in humanity is damaged if you have faith in humanity. Any faith in humanity is damaged from the start.

Side: Yes

Both elections were close run contests but whilst the British ''remain camp'' whinged a lot after the Brexit victory they, and their supporters accepted the result without violent and undemocratic demonstrations.

The Brexit victory was largely a vote to enable the U.K, to take control of it's own borders thus enabling them to restrict the tide of eastern European ''health and benefit tourists''.

Hundreds of thousands of these people have swamped the U.K's free national health service without ever having contributed a penny towards its existence and have overwhelmed the classrooms with their children most of whom cannot speak English.

The influx of eastern Europeans has created a crisis in the availability of social housing and they have turned great tracts of our towns and cities into ''NO GO, CRIME RIDDLED SLUM DISTRICTS'' which had hitherto been well maintained homes and respectable areas.

The European Court at Strasbourg has overruled numerous decisions made by the British courts to expel countless criminals from the U.K, as they have deemed that such a move would be a violation of their human rights.

These criminals who laugh at our thwarted attempts to get rid of them have re offended with such crimes as murder, rape, gang rape, assault and a catalogue of crimes which could have been prevented had they been returned to the shit holes from whence they came.

The Brussels Parliament has spent time debating important issues such as introducing a law regarding the permitted curvature of bananas and cucumbers.

Under much debated rules stated that all bananas must be ''free of abnormal curvature''.

Under the rules cucumbers were to be ''practically straight''and bent by a gradient of no more than 1/10.

These are the type of madcap issues the Brussels Mafioso spend their time and our money every day debating.

The tremendous waste and eye-watering corruption of the Brussels Mafioso is incalculable.

The E.U, have never ''closed their books'', or in other words, they have never produced audited accounts nor made any records of their expenditure available for public scrutiny.

The 48,000 E.U, civil servants have the most 'sick days'' and holiday entitlement than any other workforce, either in the public or private sector in the whole of Europe, maybe in the world for all anyone knows.

Despite declining to join ''The Eurozone'' ( the European single currency) the U.K, is forced to contribute 10s of millions of pounds sterling towards the cost of bailing out such basket case nations as Greece which has been the recipient of 100s of billions of Euros, none of which will ever be repaid.

There are some correlations between Trump's democratic election as president of the United States and the Brexit victory but the main one is that the winning votes came from those everyday people who became weary of being overlooked and their needs and aspirations being eclipsed by priority being given to the such fringe groups as illegal immigrants, ethnic minority groups, those of deviant sexual orientation and a general range of society's misfits.

''LETS BE PROUD TO BE AVERAGE VOTERS AND 'EVERYDAY' LAW ABIDING CITIZENS''.

Side: No
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

Rhetoric rhetoric and more rhetoric. Well done.

The influx of eastern Europeans has created a crisis in the availability of social housing and they have turned great tracts of our towns and cities into ''NO GO, CRIME RIDDLED SLUM DISTRICTS'' which had hitherto been well maintained homes and respectable areas.

Please cite a source.

The European Court at Strasbourg has overruled numerous decisions made by the British courts to expel countless criminals from the U.K, as they have deemed that such a move would be a violation of their human rights.

These criminals who laugh at our thwarted attempts to get rid of them have re offended with such crimes as murder, rape, gang rape, assault and a catalogue of crimes which could have been prevented had they been returned to the shit holes from whence they came.

Dear average voter, the European Court of Human Rights has nothing to do with the EU. The UK will still remain a signatory on the Convention when they leave the EU. People that will be tortured if deported back to their home country will still not be deported.

The Brussels Parliament has spent time debating important issues such as introducing a law regarding the permitted curvature of bananas and cucumbers.

Logical fallacy. If someone concerns themselves with one thing it does not mean they arent concerned about others.

The 48,000 E.U, civil servants have the most 'sick days'' and holiday entitlement than any other workforce, either in the public or private sector in the whole of Europe, maybe in the world for all anyone knows.

Source needed. Is this including all the UK MEPs that never even showed up at parliament?

''LETS BE PROUD TO BE AVERAGE VOTERS AND 'EVERYDAY' LAW ABIDING CITIZENS''.

You have made my point for me. Thank you.

Side: Yes
4 points

If you want sources Google it yourself, I ain't doing your homework for you.

I live in the country and, unlike you, know what's going on in my homeland.

The facts quoted by me are exactly that, facts.

Side: No
3 points

I lost that well before now. Trump and Brexit just confirmed what I already thought about people.

Side: No
1 point

I was really surprised both times.

Side: No
2 points

I wasn't exactly expecting either, particularly Brexit as I'm admittedly less informed about British social politics, but neither surprised me very much. They're both a product of ignorance and stupidity, and I do expect that from people in large groups.

Side: No
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

Trump didn't surprise me; Brexit was more shocking but that was because I knew it was at a 50/50 stage so the closeness itself was no surprise to me.

Once you observe who has the money and who controls campaign ads as well as who benefits from certain things happening you will get a much better grasp on which way votes sway and how much they sway.

Brexit was not won due to 'fascism winning' or due to 'racism increasing' it wasn't even won due to Boris turncoating or Farage being a louder more confident speaker than most on the left, it was won because Trans-national corporations had more say in Britain at the time than European-based corporations.

How can a corporation control votes? 92% or so of voters are either employed or making money by some legal steady means, they vote based on what they think their source of income will benefit most from. Yes, even the romantic voters are voting based on this but they tend to work in industries and corporations who incidentally support their already set views rather than the reverse.

Side: Yes
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

At the time of this election, America had many major insurance companies infuriated with how much Obamacare was helping smaller insurance companies set up and truly compete on their level via government sanctions. these insurance companies had many share sin other companies who in some way or another shared their anger and who they wanted to 'help to help' the campaign of Trump (he took many underhand donations via major stock sin his business as opposed to legally registered political donations).

Gas companies, BP especially, had been stifled since the oil spill incident that Obama had responded to with an iron grip and were very keen in the Romney election but tat that time other companies hadn't yet shared their fury. So, a group of officials form many companies that Obama has been sucking dry over the past 8 years formed a team of experts on manipulation and neuro-lingual programming to teach Trump not just what to say but how to say it and more importantly when to say each thing in order to get one outlying group of voters after another. they very likely begged Trump to run as they knew he was as filthy and as ready to do underhanded politics as they'd ever dreamed a president could be. Trump most likely reluctantly ran as estate business has been slowly reducing in USA since people are becoming more accustomed to buy tall buildings rather than big ones which were never his speciality.

The people behind Trump have shares in Facebook, in Twitter and many other social media methods and are readying each and every text for keywords spitting trends of thigns before a single public sign of protest has been uttered. they spotted a lot of racism towards Muslims in private and a lot of hatred to towards Mexico and China, things which the left had no idea were even brewing and they annihilated the left's attempt at campaigning along with any other right wing candidate by almost magically talking about things which they knew any had private concerns about because they had bought access to private data on a macro level.

Obama's war in Syria is also to further punish oil companies, just so you know. He knew they'd lost faith in him and wanted to hamper their Syria-related trade by alienating USA from much of the Eastern world with this war.

Side: Yes
2 points

Oskar Wilde said it well: "We are each our own devil, and make this world our hell."

Frank Zappa didn't do bad either when he said: "There is far more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life."

Side: No

Not at all; it has been reaffirmed. It appears sanity is taking hold in a sea of irrationality on both sides of the Pond. Hallelujah, Bro, hallelujah!

Side: No
1 point

No. As much as I don't like him I understand that people are tired of the same politics we've had for the last number of years, before even Obama came into office. Hillary offered much of the same thing, with no change in policies or political nonsense in sight. Trump however says the things that some people want to hear, and no I'm not including his mouth vomit that is sexist, racist and generally awful. I said this in another argument, Trump is just a man, we decide as Americans how we want America to be and I still have faith that people will get their heads out of their asses and start making this place a better one through example.

Side: No
1 point

Neither those things have a Goddamned thing to do with the nature of Humanity. Thus, they did not affect one iota my current views on the State of Humanity on this planet.

Those two incidents: Trump and BREXIT, are simply political occurrences. They are NOT actions which were propagated by a changing zeitgeist of Humanity. Rather, they were only propagated by the peoples of two different nations and their current political ideals.

That is a very small thing, in proportion to The Nature of Humanity. Which is usually measured by over-arching and majority changes in morals and values and ideals. Examples of this would be.....the Holocaust.......World Wars......Abortion....Religious extremism and how people react to it.......class warfare.....and of course the breakdown of the traditional nuclear family. Sexual deviancy and tolerance for it...such as letting your child go into a public restroom with gender freaks, would also make the cut here.

So quit thinking so small. Humanity has been around for 100,000 years or so. Trump and Brexit are mere blips on the radar screen, if that. In fact, all they do is merely confirm what we have known about Humanity for along time: when the homo sapien animal is dissatisfied with his or her current economic station in life, they will take measures to have the powers that be get removed. Or changed. This is old news.

Besides, both Brexit and Trump will be gone in a few years. the UK WILL return to the EU. And Trump will be lucky to last one term. Yawn.

SS

Side: No
1 point

Why would something I don't have be damaged? Why would I have faith in humanity? I know they are Hell bent on ruling the universe and most of them will end up frying like eternal sausages in the lake of fire. Humanity cannot save itself, cannot save me, cannot save anybody. Why would anybody have faith in humanity?

Side: No