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AlofRI is an idiot and Nom is being fake when he talks kindly of him

Nom seems to think AlofRI is a pretty swell guy, but how fast would that change if I brought up all the things that Al is clueless about which would irritate Nom just as much as it irritates me?

Al, if you would answer these questions it would help you out believe it or not. Because you could get some clarification on things you're ignorant of and also you will potentially see Nom changing his tone and realize that he's a dick provided he doesn't simply ignore your answers.

1) What is your general view of Marxism?

2) What does "Democratic Socialism" mean?

3) What role should the state play in society?

4) When was America at it's best and why?

5) Is capitalism necessary for civilization to function?


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Yes, capitalism IS necessary, but, like your mother likely taught you, to much of a good thing is NOT GOOD! We have, at the moment, an overindulgence in capitalism. Capitalism is not what this country was founded on, it was democracy! Russia is a capitalistic country that is controlled by its capitalists, not the people! I don't want THAT kind of controlling capitalism, it MUST have regulations that protect the people, the environment, human rights, civil rights …. NOT JUST CAPITALISTIC RIGHTS!

If you think that makes me an idiot, I'm proud to be one! ;-)

Side: truth
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AlofRI is an idiot and Nom is being fake when he talks kindly of him

Hello J:

SOME of us STAND behind every word we say.

And, some of us change our names daily. I can only conclude it's because they're ASHAMED, they're LYING, or they're saying something pretty fucking stupid..

Why ELSE would someone HIDE???

excon

Side: truth
1 point

Well, can we agree that the new "fake" is what we used to call "truth"??

Side: truth
Juggla67(142) Disputed
1 point

can we agree that the new "fake" is what we used to call "truth"??

Not when it comes to Nom.

Side: non truth
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

But when it comes to YOU, have truer words ever been spoken? ;-)

Side: truth
1 point

Socialism is a theory, just like democracy. Many people take a theory and look at it different ways. To say I look at it like you do is an understatement, and there are MANY who don't look at it, or expect FROM it, what you do. I don't want it as our political "system" but, every political system has its good points, we just have to take the parts that preserve what the founders wanted …. "Government of, by and FOR the PEOPLE!" (Not what we have now, govt. of, by and for the few! :-)

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Juggla67(142) Disputed
1 point

Many people take a theory and look at it different ways.

That doesn't mean there isn't a wrong way to look at it. There is a difference between having a different point of view on a theory and misinterpreting what the theory even is.

we just have to take the parts that preserve what the founders wanted …. "Government of, by and FOR the PEOPLE!"

Nom hates the founding fathers. That "of, by and FOR the PEOPLE!" shit is nothing but words. What they wanted was a government, of, by, and for the wealthy (aka capitalism).

Side: non truth
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
2 points

Nom and I don't always agree. We're not like you and the lock-step conservatives of today. You are welcome, and have a right to your opinion …. as I do.

Side: truth
1 point

As I said above, YOUR definition of democratic socialism doesn't resemble mine. I'm NOT FOR your kind!

Side: truth
Juggla67(142) Disputed
1 point

YOUR definition of democratic socialism doesn't resemble mine.

My definition is objectively correct. A democratic SOCIALIST is a socialist, what you are is a social democrat.

I'm NOT FOR your kind!

You're not a democratic socialist is what you are saying. Nom is a democratic socialist (the real definition of it) so you are saying you don't like Nom's preferred system. I am not exactly a "democratic socialist" (I would call it technocratic anarcho-socialist or something) so when you say "my kind" you mean "my definition" which I derive from history and from the dictionary, not from one American politician who happened to call their self a socialist despite being in favor of a market economy.

Side: non truth
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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O.K. I respect your opinion. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it …. yet. Trump hasn't managed to become the accepted KING! :-)

Side: truth
Jazzmaster(14) Disputed
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My definition is objectively correct.

Socialism isn't objective so you can't have an objectively correct definition of it. In short, most of the stuff you write is designed to make you feel intellectually superior to other people. You are not intellectually superior to other people. You are just simply a narcissist with profound emotional/behavioural problems.

Side: truth
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States have a large roll in democracy. They have to put the peoples tax money where it is most needed IN THAT STATE. In capitalism, it would be management of a department or branch of a company. The branch has different needs than other branches, so it has to be managed differently, but, still under the main company's policies. The Federal Government. THAT is what the founders (IMO), wanted …. as it has been since!

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Juggla67(142) Disputed
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States have a large roll in democracy.

Do you think states are necessary for democracy to exist? Have you considered the concept of work-place democracy?

In capitalism, it would be management of a department or branch of a company. The branch has different needs than other branches, so it has to be managed differently, but, still under the main company's policies.

Sure, that is well enough. But that is in capitalism specifically, and you just so happen to LIKE capitalism for some odd reason. Socialists tend to dislike both capitalism AND the state.

THAT is what the founders (IMO), wanted

They wanted what they saw as the closest realistic thing to a "free market".

Side: non truth
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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In this conservative run America, black is white, white is black (at least when we are not talking about skin color, yep, there's that card again, but, I have a right to that opinion also). I've had my say, I'm not here to argue with a dining room table.

Idiot (if that's the way you want it ;-), signing off.

Side: truth
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America has NEVER BEEN at its best, but, it HAS been FAR BETTER than it is under Trump! The search for a "More Perfect Union" should go on and NEVER STOP!

America was respected, trusted, compassionate, working for peace, working for civil and human rights, made its mistakes, but, not intentionally! Today, it makes them intentionally, is not trusted, not compassionate, not working for peace, not The United States of America! Definitely NOT its best!

Side: truth
Juggla67(142) Disputed
1 point

America has NEVER BEEN at its best

So you don't think there was a time when it happened to be at it's best relative to other points in it's history ? Does that mean it was always the same? That can't be, because you literally just said it has been better than it is now.

Side: non truth
FriskyToad(10) Disputed
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He didn't say relative to other parts of history. He said America has never been at its best. Stop putting words into other people's mouths they didn't say you stupid troll.

Side: truth
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