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Amazing Logical Syllogism

a Wise man once told me this in the form of if a is b and b is c than a is c. Whaddya guys think?

Mexico has Dirty water

Dirty water makes people sick

Mexico makes people sick.

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7 points

First of all, you must have had a terrible experience drinking some dirty water in Mexico.

But, for you to be able to say that Mexico has dirty water, dirty water makes people sick, so therefore Mexico makes people sick, you are looking at solely one aspect of Mexico. Mexico has more than dirty water, so Mexico ≠ dirty water. Dirty water is simply a part of some parts of Mexico.

To find whether or not Mexico really makes people sick, you would need to do a nearly infinite number of these equations and create a conversion standard for fun, sickness, and other things that Mexico can cause. Then you have to add it all up and see if Mexico's "making people sick" factor is greater than 0. Then, you are correct. Mexico would make people sick. But to what degree? It depends on the making people sick factor. It may cause fun at a much greater rate than it makes people sick. Who knows? Get to work.

So, what I'm saying, is that I can do this, too, if I wanted:

You do things, this is something you have done, this annoys me, so therefore, you annoy me.

Side: go back to the books
3 points

Okay, look at it like this:

I have green eyes. Jake = green eyes -FALSE

Jake = right handed?

Jake = blond hair?

no.

Side: not that simple
2 points

I would have to say I am pretty bored and that this is the most true and mind exploding thing I have ever heard.

Side: Logical
2 points

Wow. This is soon to be the most mind-exploding thing you've ever heard:

You don't exist.

Side: Logical
lawnman(1106) Disputed
0 points

I will not speak as though I know, so tell me why you speak as though you have a point to drive home with ledfoot. Did ledfoot insult or anger you?

Side: Logical
2 points

That example of the syllogism is valid.

The application of that particular syllogism is invalid.

The author didn't affirm anything of Mexico. There is dirty water in Mexico, but it's the water, not Mexico, that makes people sick if they drink the dirty water.

The conclusion is both false and invalid.

The author is obviously unaware of the rules of the syllogism, and the laws of reason.

Here is a valid example of the application of the author's particular model of the syllogism.

Ants are industrious;

the industrious are prudent; therefore, ants are prudent.

The argument is valid, but the conclusion is false.

Side: go back to the books
Ledfoot(133) Disputed
1 point

if the argument is Valid and the second premise is universally true, than the concluison MUST be true.

Side: Logical
lawnman(1106) Disputed
1 point

"if the argument is valid"

The argument is not valid in the example of the debate. The syllogism is not a tool of truth. It is only a tool of valid arguments. Logic, like the syllogism, is the art of how to reason validly; neither is concerned with truth or falsity.

Side: go back to the books
Ledfoot(133) Disputed
1 point

The Syllogism does not state If A is B and B is C then A MIGHT be C. It says A IS C.

Side: Logical
lawnman(1106) Disputed
1 point

You are overlooking the copula in the syllogism. Consider the differences between my example and the example of the debate description.

Side: go back to the books
2 points

Man, are you mocking Cerin? Knock it off. I don't think you need to make a whole debate about it.

None the less, it really isn't that simple. You're comparing things that have dissimilar scopes and structures. You'd be slapped in the face if you were learning C++ and pulling that.

Side: go back to the books

i can take this viewpoint then:

chickens can run around with their heads cut off (A)

zombies can run around with their heads cut off (C)

therefore A=C, chickens are zombies! run away!

Side: go back to the books
Ledfoot(133) Disputed
2 points

No you cant say that because that syllogism is completely invalid. Running around with their heads cut off is B. B does not transfer. There needs to be a transfer of the middle term.

Side: Logical
1 point

so then, to be more precise,

Chickens can run around with their heads cut off, (A)

Zombies can run around with theri heads cut off (B)

Zombies eat human flesh (C)

therefore, chickens eat human flesh! run away! or hide in a tree...

now i do understand that i have to make these all real and relevant, but i'm getting the hang of using this.

Side: illogical
HGrey87(750) Disputed
0 points

Opposed. Not for misapplication of the syllogism, but for not knowing zombie lore. I bet zombies told you to say this, didn't they?

Sever the head or destroy the brain, people!

Side: illogical
2 points

Mexico has dirty water

Dirty water makes people sick

HOWEVER few people drink Mexican water

therefore Mexico wouldn't necessarily make people sick

there's a missing variable to your argument

Side: go back to the books
2 points

Well lets think here. There is dirty water everywhere. There is water in every country on this planet save for Antarctica maybe that has some tainted water. So according to this logic either go to outer space or move to Antarctica!

Also there are different things that make people sick and healthy in Mexico.

Mexico has very good peppers

Peppers are good for you

Mexico is good for you!

Mexico has anorexic cows

anorexic cows are unhealthy

Mexico is unhealthy!

Side: illogical
1 point

Yes but Mexico also has things that make people happy. So you could also say that Mexico makes people happy.

so Part of a = b = c

and part of a = b = h

a is very complex.

Side: not that simple
Ledfoot(133) Disputed
2 points

What in mexico makes people happy? can you find a specific thing that universally makes EVERYONE happy? could you make it a sound argument?

Side: Logical
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
2 points

Ah, I knew you would go there.

There has to something in mexico that makes everyone happy to some extent. I never said it had to be the same thing for everyone(b is also complex). For me it could be food. For somebody els it could be something simple as oxygen, or the culture, or people that live there.

Side: not that simple

Mexico has dirty water

Dirty Water makes people sick

Don't drink dirty water

That's what I think, LOL!

If you had said:

Dirty Water makes people sick

Don't drink dirty Water

Mexico has Dirty Water

That's different!

Side: Logical
1 point

Just to be clear, I dont have any problems with Mexico. Well some, but I don't hate it or anything. I just thought this syllogism was funny and wanted to share it with you guys.

Side: Logical