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Debate Score:36
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An atheistic world cannot be a free world

How can a society be free without even believing in free will? Atheists who don't believe in free will or objective morality would have never been able to create a society like America, where people can be free yet not descend into baseness and depravity. This is because America was founded on christian ideals, and ever since those principles have become less mainstream and the state has been infiltrated by leftists society has fallen into depravity with spoiled and entitled nihilists running around taking advantage of the freedoms they take for granted. When you have freedom but no principles there is nothing left to make order but the state, which is why freedom is impossible without Christian virtues. For an atheist, freedom means acting like an animal with no moral compass, and that is why you cannot have true freedom in a society without God.

It can't

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Agreed, look at Carl Marx, and Joseph Stalin..........................................................................................................

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Bootstrap(231) Disputed
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Carl Marx

Karl Marx. The academic who dedicated his entire life to explaining to superstitious, indoctrinated morons like yourself how capitalism is a form of enslavement.

I believe Einstein (another socialist) put it best when he said, "Only two things are infinite: the universe and the depth of human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the former."

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DreTheWise(89) Disputed
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If God is real, he is responsible for more deaths than any human dictator...in fact he'd be responsible for the existence of those dictators. Just as he would be the overlord preventing us from truly being free as we would be mere subjects to his whim and even with free will, choosing to disobey would mean Hell...that is not freedom...that is a prison where you are forced to praise and worship...like North Korea.

Side: It can (even though it can't)
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Bootstrap(231) Disputed
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You are 100% correct.

You are 100% mentally ill.

Without a moral foundation, the commitment of relationships are no longer valued.

I wish deranged halfwits like yourself were capable of processing the fact that moral values are not exclusive to religion.

I also wish you were capable of processing the fact that hating homosexuals is not a way to celebrate the commitment of relationships.

However, I'm not naive. I can see that you are clearly not a well person, and nothing anybody ever says to you is going to make you any less stupid and bigoted.

Hence, I'm just going to downvote your stupid shit.

Side: It can (even though it can't)
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Then why are democratic atheistic countries like the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Finland, Iceland: freer; safer; more equal; less militaristic; better educated; healthier; less violent; less divided, than the USA?

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FromWithin(7586) Disputed
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They are not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are radically Pro abortion and support killing special Need's babies for merely being diverse.

Some of these nations are trying to eliminate Down Syndrome babies. SICK TWISTED DEPRAVED PEOPLE ON THE LEFT!

Your notions of progress are inhuman!

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FromWithin(7586) Disputed
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Less violent? Try telling that to a Special need's baby as he is torn limb from limb!

Is that what your type calls tolerance for Diversity?

Oh, I keep forgetting, you will say you do not support those abortions of convenience, all while raving about the wonderful nations supporting it!

Hypocrite! Your double standards are sickening.

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Jody(1365) Disputed
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Less violent? Try telling that to a Special need's baby as he is torn limb from limb!

But surely he/she would know as they’re torn “ limb from limb “ why try telling them? ....... Is that the norm now in gun crazy America tearing special needs babies apart limb by limb , as if you’s havent enough to be worrying about with yet another mass shooter ......Good ole U S A

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where people can be free yet not descend into baseness and depravity.

Hello cg:

Are you telling me that WITHOUT your book, you'd descend into baseless depravity???

Really??

excon

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FromWithin(7586) Disputed
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YES!!!!! REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Without God's wisdom and moral foundation, mankind will have no limit to their depravity.

You are still living in a society that has remnants of our Christian heritage. We have not totally gone off the deep end to this point, but we are seeing the slippery slope in action as the Left censors any mention of moral values.

Our families are falling apart, people are living together with no desire for marriage, the Left has sanctioned No Restriction abortions, and embraces the most unnatural of sexual orientations.

We have Drag Queens talking to our children in libraries, Transgenders talking to our Kindergartners, and you are absolutely oblivious to it!

You are what becomes of the Godless. You are so blinded to this slippery slope, you can't even see it happening, until it's too late!

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It is sad people need a book to tell them to be a decent person rather than just being a decent person. But really how many Christians ACTUALLY follow their Holy Book. We have determined for ourselves that Child molestation, Child abuse, slavery, stoning people to death for non-violent offenses, and regulating sexuality between consenting adults are all wrong. No Holy book needed. And in fact, if we followed the Holy book. Women would be slaves to their husbands, children would be slaves to their parents, slaves would be slaves to their masters, and we'd all be slaves to the imaginary being in the sky. In a theistic world, no one will be free. Which is why the freest nations have deviated from the bible on MANY things.

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FromWithin(7586) Disputed
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Just being a decent person? ROFLOL, hypocrites like you support the very politicians who keep convenience abortions legal.

THAT'S NOT A DECENT PERSON!

Go spew your garbage to someone who can not see through your true self.

You prove what becomes of man without God.

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outlaw60(15317) Disputed
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SUPER STUPID have you missed out on your PARTY descending into DEPRAVITY ??????

You really are STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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There is nothing about atheism that limits the concept of free will. In fact being an atheist means you are free from the restraints of religion. The idea that atheists cannot create a totally free world is obviously rooted in religious bias ignoring how ones own free will can NEVER triumph over the will of God making a theistic world the MOST enslaved.

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Atheists who don't believe in free will or objective morality would have never been able to create a society like America,

Where Christians believe Jesus would support carrying a gun , rejected Universal health care , despise the homeless and tell the unemployed “not on my dime buddy “......You and your type 83 per cent American Christians have the temerity to blame your societal woes on the other 17 per cent non Christians keeping totally in line with Your Christians hypocrisy

.where people can be free yet not descend into baseness and depravity.

My reply ....Yeah , better let Christians tell them how to live maybe segregate them you’s have plenty of experience doing it to black Americans or maybe that was Atheists yet again?

This is because America was founded on christian ideals,

Which is a complete tragedy and has you’s languishing at 121st place in the world’s most peaceful countries index and we’ll below most European countries for standard of living , takes Atheists to do the right thing ( mostly ) as regards supporting good social welfare programs

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