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I am sick to death of Christians criticizing my Science and claiming we believe in what they call strange ideas. Such as Evolution and the Big Bang. Which are both true and have tons of evidence. Meanwhile they continually fail to apply the same methods of critique to their own absurd notions. Such as what is listed above in the picture caption. I agree. I find it really hard to argue with them. They don't have evidence to back anything up, and nothing they argue makes logical or scientific sense. That is why I stick with science first and religion second. My religion is quite compatible with science and new discoveries! 1
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and that's still tenable if you believe that the supernatural exists and cannot be observed by any natural means. - We cannot know it, so we cannot proceed to know more. there are limits to what can be observed through natural means. if you put a glass of water on the table, and an unseen person stomps their foot, all you can know for certain is that the water moved. some call that luck, some call that god, but in the end does it matter that someone believes in a God? I think this one is better than the first science based discussion I presented. The big bang is bad science requiring unending additional bad science to support it. This video is also a highly accomplished scientist who first became a Creationist because of the scientific evidence, then later became a Christian. Yes, it sounds pretty ridiculous. But then again, pretty much every religion sounds ridiculous unless you were raised to believe in it. Hey, I'm happy for absolutely anyone to believe in absolutely anything so long as that belief inspires good human behaviors among each other. But what I can't stand, and will always speak out against, is the people who quote their religion and then act like mean jerks to anyone else who doesn't share their precise viewpoint. And yes, there is a lot of that behavior on this site. I totally agree. Believe what you want to believe and give others the same respect. Keep YOUR beliefs within your own cult, and, as long as they don't hurt anyone's freedom, follow your own laws .... don't try to pass YOUR ideals onto others because you think ALL should live under YOUR rules (or YOUR god's), and I have NO PROBLEM with your religion. I have NO objection to anyone's beliefs as long as they hurt no one. 1
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Because I promised- Muslims have Sharia courts in the UK. they have the capability to peruse their own fractured law and order in a court of law unregulated by any higher court, which includes the capability to have (many wives, Polygynous?) marriges. they have the capability to murder in honor killings without repercussions from federal law. to some degree, they are also murdering by preforming capitol punishment without oversight from federal law. their chief prophet, Mohamed, (blessed is he) was a child molesting war monger. and their modern counterparts want death to anyone who criticizes the religion. and you really want to complain about Christianity? - saying anything in that simplified X caused Y where X and Y are poorly explained can make anything sound absurd. - Secular Philosophy (at least for now) holds that the whole world winked into existance by a process we don't yet understand and started the universe moving, then a bunch of dust started lumping together to turn into a giant ball of molten rock, which then had rain pour on it to cool the giant rock, then either life winked into existance by a process we aren't certain could really happen, and or it was transplanted by a meteorite where somewhere else had the burden of making life. then after plants happened, (Because reasons) and started flourishing, the atmosphere was less toxic and the process by which the weak Fishy creatures become lizards, become birds become mamals and then go back to swimming in the ocean all because a microscopic code gets slowly changed in a cosmic game of telephone- happened. - if your criticism of Christianity is really that the mythos, and those that believe that the mythos is inerrant, then you're against fundamentalist Christians. not Christians as a whole. 1
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Right...Sorry....What's the one that holds that there exists only natural world and supernatural stuff is a non-tenable position? "Secular" people tend to hold this, thing I'm trying to describe as true. It's like "Meta-something naturalism?" I totally said the wrong word. Meta-Something was what I meant. - It's like Polyandry Polygyny(Which it says I misspelled?) and Polygamy. sometimes words are just plain obnoxious...Polygamy encompasses polygyny, but they aren't the same. so my meaning gets bass Ackward. I mean, word choice is super important, but when you make a philosophy that Secular people would follow,why the fuck do you not call it Secularism? but then you have a unified front of Atheism who don't hold one singular vision and they're still all "Atheist" even though some would wish to see all religion abolished, some would like to only see Christianity abolished, and some are more libertarian, not giving a fuck what a person actually believes so long as they can back it up with fact. - Atheism ONLY describes the belief that they personally deny the notion of a god. but then why do they feel they can treat Christianity in the same regard? we Christians all believe in Christ, that's our central joining factor but we aren't all fundamentalists like SN. we have varying views, varying Ideas on what the Bible is and how it's meant to be used. in this way, people like the OP (SlapShot) aren't doing anything toward actually debating, debunking or destroying the core premise. he's just making an ass of himself. your post above ....... are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of A or B A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence This video is a PhD former Evolutionary Microbiologist who in highly educated and scientific terms explains why he came to believe there must be a purposeful supernatural intelligence for the universe to exist. The science is solid and quotes some of the most accomplished and recognized scientists in the world. I watched most of it, it's ok, he gets into all of the latest theories of physics...I forget the names of the theories, constant state, uncertainty principal, multi-verse, and I think there are one or two others covered. I do not agree with the belief in billions of years as such an idea has to ignore many facts of physics and astronomy, and I see no problem in believing God created all things in six literal days as the Bible says. This scientist will be referenced in Christian theistic evolution circles, which to me is intellectual cowardice, caving in to popular opinion, ignoring facts which show billions of years and evolution are not possible, and implying the Bible does not really mean what it says.....but you will probably enjoy the scientific view which upholds billions of years and the main point is how the facts of science first changed this evolutionary biologist to believe in a Creator before he later became a Christian. Yes Saint, I read Dr. Crick's book. The guy who with his partner decoded the entire human genome back in the late 90s. He wrote it in response to dawkins' The God Delusion. It came out about a year or so after as I recall. I was not impressed with the book. Did you read it? The good doctor was formerly a Christian, as a child and even a young man. Then he strayed from his belief as he found that so much science disproved it. Or seemed to. So as an older man he felt a bit empty and began looking for something to believe in again. His return to Christianity did not come from seeing god in science. But rather from a need to be comforted that all was not meaningless. I found his argument very lacking and not compelling in the least. I don't read books much anymore, they were becoming repetitious after reading hundreds. They generally have one basic theme and one basic point, and I've heard it before. I do enjoy reading all of the latest science articles with the new discoveries but I am not a fanatic, not disciplined. I just get the basics and forget the big words and names of the people involved. I like action. In writing blog type stuff here, it's action, engaging. It's easy enough to brush up on things by doing a little web search. I really don't like to argue in the sciences though I can. I think it is a lot easier to show their must be a Creator by philosophy. logic, reason, principals of Justice.....and the necessity of a Savior as the only hope, the only way existence in a world of pain and suffering chock full of evil can make any sense. I don't know the personal story of Dr. Crick, the video linked is Dr. Rick Oliver. There are many highly regarded scientist who testify clearly that the facts of science forced them to believe God created all things....before they became Christians. The younger scientist in the second link I gave here clearly and emphatically states his experience this way. Why does anybody want to believe all is meaningless? It is because that even as a little child, five or eight years old when I first remember being told on tv or in books about evolution, I understood it would mean life has no real meaning, no real value. I never could bring myself around to believe that, and I was suspicious of the motives of the people who wanted me to believe it. Just a small child, but my gut instinct told me not to believe and not to trust the people who were trying to make me believe in evolution. I got into occult stuff in my younger teens and then got pretty deep in the nicer religion of Hinduism. When I believed on Jesus, it was because I realized the reality of being separated from God by my sin, and the necessity of what God did for me in Jesus Christ by His resurrection offering me forgiveness to reconcile me with God. I became a Christian in a moment of time where I do not have words adequate to describe what happened, but I know that Jesus came in and gave me eternal life, a new heart which beats at the spark of His life. The reality of knowing God in Jesus Christ is not something anybody can do by themselves, not something you can make yourself believe and practice. It's a conviction that comes from God, causing a complete soul cry for mercy and trusting in the One who paid my price and rose from the dead, God Himself makes a new life in me from Him, by Him, and for Him. I surrendered all, admitted complete defeat and utter dependency on God's mercy, believed on Jesus and He saved me. And yes it is comforting knowing I'm forgiven and loved by God, knowing my sins have been paid for, knowing I have eternal life and this life is in Jesus Christ who conquered death. I see joy ahead, so good it can hardly begin to be imagined, and the Savior will take me through any pain and suffering in this world and I will fear no evil. I do not need the pleasures of sin to enjoy life, and the pains of suffering cannot take away the pleasure of living knowing God has a purpose for me and it's good. Evolution is evil, teaching people life is meaningless and survival of the fittest is all that matters to the individual or society or anything......it's all sado machisisitic, ..........and because you so vehemently defend your word, I think you are not really that way.......at least I see that small sign of belief in objective reality because you demand objective recognition of being who you say you are. That's what it's all about, objective truth. Even when I was not sure, as far back as I can remember, when things seemed confusing I always said "there must be right and wrong that cannot change" and I kept looking for the truth. I went through some very hard things as I looked in the wrong places trying to find objective meaning to have solid ground to stand on. Jesus Christ is the truth, He is the Rock of Ages, solid ground to stand on. Evolution is shifting sand, always coming up with new theories any time it's leaders fear the evidence of science indicates intelligent design. I was into all the parallel universe and alien theories and ideas, and the concepts of physics which led scientists to believe in such things which are entirely unscientific but necessary to answer scientific data which contradicts big band and evolutionary theory. Ah, well........I should write a book I guess, I just hate doing disciplined things like that. I am familiar with this chap and have heard his lectures. He presented nothing persuasive to me and had no new evidence for an intelligent creator. Materialist biologists like myself can and have explained how everything he thinks god orchestrated actually need no God in order to work. Also, the fact a few real scientists feel the need to embrace a personal god means little. Delusion seeps into all fields, even mine, I'm afraid. Fact remains that over 90% of us are atheists or agnostics. The well known quote about carbon atoms from an atheistic scientist is quite persuasive. The only reason people wont be persuaded is because of the implications of God ruling His universe implying you are ruled by Him. I'm not sure which one you responded to here, but I like the second one better, both presented facts and quotes regarding those facts from some of the best known names in science. So you refuse to accept evidence that indicates the universe is intelligently designed, but the facts remain in stark contrast to evolutionary and big bang theory. It is not scientific to ignore facts which are contrary to your beliefs. Science observes facts. You do not have to believe in God, but to say you believe in science while refusing to investigate facts that do not fit your beliefs supporting evolution and the big bang is not science. And to say the men in the videos I'm presenting are not scientists or they have lost their minds is unrealistic. They have not unrealistically rejected any scientific data. They remain respected for their accomplishments and their work. It's like there are three or four groups among scientists.....1 group controls the education system and will allow no time for discussion of facts contrary to belief in evolution. Another groups has a bit of backbone to actually question their own findings, and consider the possibility of an intelligent designer, but they will be threatened with blackballing by the first group if they go too far with it. A third group compromise intelligent design mixed with evolution, so they remain politically correct and avoid blackballing of the first group. A fourth group cannot be persuaded by any threats to deny the facts of science. My favorite off the top of my head in the fourth group is the inventor of the MRI machine, who revolutionized medicine and contributed key components for NASA satellites or the space station or something like that in NASA.......and he flatly states I do I, there is no necessity in any science to hold to anything other than the Biblical account of Creation and around 6000 yrs as the age of the earth. All the science you use to support your beliefs can be countered with contrary scientific finding, and all of the age-dating methods you use have huge variations and unreliability factors. There is a reason you are told to believe so strongly in evolution, it's a de-humanization being pushed to weaken the moral fabric of the population so they become unable to resist tyranny....so they get you thinking that people are not really individually objectively valuable, reducing resistance as they move toward their goal of a select few ruling the world by iron fist controlling a global population reduced to under a half billion. I don't know what it is....maybe it's because you so boldly stood up to defend your word in claiming to be who you say you are.......but there is something about you that makes me think you will stand up for honesty, and that honesty is void in science with teaches belief in evolution as fact. The problem is, you KNOW that if you believe on Jesus as I do, you will have to leave a lot of your favorite pleasures behind and walk in fear of God. That is the only reason people will not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.........they just want to be their own boss, and they dare God to leave them in Hell. 1
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All religions are irrational and illogical, but no religion today is as bat-shit crazy as Islam. Comparing Christianity of hundreds of years ago to Islam today is just plain ridiculous. There are no Christian theocracies today like there are Islamic theocracies, the latter issuing hits on those who don't toe the line, or wish death to the infidel, or stone/hang women and gays; there is just no comparison. Have you ever had somebody just haul off and punch you in the mouth in annoyance of your attitude? Seriously. Christians like me don't do that, but you sure seem to be a person who goes around asking for it and my guess is that you got it more than once and didn't learn from it. 1
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Those beliefs in the caption only are those of the most fundamentalist Christians. They do not represent all of us. Also just because some beliefs or doctrines seem hard to understand doesn't mean there is no true one Creator God! There is!! I can assure you. Mankind has made some mistakes in trying to grasp Him, that's all. God bless. Mankind has made some mistakes in trying to grasp Him ... indeed, especially when one denies God's word .... God is a she ? and Jesus will never return ?? ... pfft !! .. mistakes right off the foundation .... goat I truly believe He Saved me so help carry His Word .... And our Word..HIS Word, (Um, no ... your word is not God's word .. God's word is God's word .. antichrist) ... is a great deal more accepting and tolerant than some of my more Fundamental Christian brothers would have you think < what a deceiver 2
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The true creator God is of course above having any sort of human gender. So I sometimes say She or He. Only a fundamentalist and misogynistic fool would think God is a He. This is limiting God. Which is what you people do when you anthropomorphize Her. You imbue your God with silly and petty human qualities. Also, I receive nobody. I speak of my God as I have come to know and love and understand Him. Something you never do. All you seem capable of is pasting tired old tracts. Your God is very limited and this is a shame for you. All you really do is impart your own prejudice unto Her. A psychiatrist would call that transference. Tsk, tsk. |
