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Fascists / Leftist / Anti-American protest in San Diego

San Diego City Police and Fire Dispatch - Live Audio Feed Web Player 

Live News Coverage: Anti-Trump protesters outside San Diego rally

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Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907

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In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.

But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here.

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag,

and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...

We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.

GenericName(3430) Clarified
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Just goes to show that Teddy couldn't be right about everything. But I guess he was a product of his time.

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If you live, work, and all those other things that mean you are a resident in my country and don't want to learn the language and become "American", I have one question: Why are you here? Go home. Fuck whatever country you are from. This is America bitch.

dadman(1703) Disputed
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yeah ... I don't waste time w/ un-educated crazy people ....

no more thinking and deriving for you ... someone hide his mouse ..

he should thank you for it later ... save him from embarrassment

GenericName(3430) Clarified
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How many Native American languages have you learned? If you don't know any, why did you come here?

Jokes aside, there are dozens of ways people end up in this country, and many ways that one can end up living here without learning English.

You really have no ethical, political, or legal justification for vaguely lashing out at them. Instead, why not advocate for policies that help teach English to those who don't currently speak it?

It's going to work far better than generalized xenophobic comments like "Fuck whatever country you are from".

Wise words from a wise person. I think he's worth heeding.

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Just typing "live audio feed" doesnt actually give us a live audio feed. What is your evidence here? Was anyone assaulted? Was anyone injured? How do you know theyre fascists? How do you know theyre leftists? What makes it anti american? Pretty sure the constitution outlines a right to peacfull assembly so it seems to me unless you prove they were violent they were exercising their american rights. Which is the opposite of fascist and anti american

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Live news coverage from Fox News 10 in Phoenix .... LIVE Video Coverage

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San Diego City Police and Fire Dispatch - Live Audio Feed

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https://www.facebook.com/yahoonews/videos/vb.338028696036/10154316023241037/?type=2&theater;

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Since when did fascist regimes use protests for that? Since when did fascism stop being right wing?

dadman(1703) Disputed
2 points

the day the leftist mob/s attempt to disrupt and shutdown free speech and derail the American process ...

I would say the same thing if they were attempting to disrupt Sanders or Clinton ....

no, it's Trump they hate ... the LEFT wing that is ... you own it

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Simple Definition of fascism

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

: very harsh control or authority ........ indeed they control via attempted disruptive intimidation and punishment ... Trump has an America right to speak .. and WE the American people have an American right to freely and peacefully assemble to hear him .... it is ANTI-American (fascist) to disrupt that process in any way / shape / manner or form with violence and or blockade (Arizona) ..... looks to me the LEFT owns Fascism

GenericName(3430) Clarified
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Wait, so by exercising their freedom of speech, they are shutting down freedom of speech?

Protesting is suddenly not a part of the American process?

What?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Do you not know what a dictator is?

Except the individual that most closely adheres to fascist political philosophy in this election is Trump, which makes the protest "Anti-Fascist".

Leftist is indeed correct, however.

And as soon as you say "Anyone who protests people I like is Anti-American", you have, yourself, become "Anti-American".

dadman(1703) Disputed
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Anyone who protests people I like is Anti-American .. pfft !! ... 'peacefully' protest all you want .....

but rocks and bottles thrown / streets and highways blocked / participants confronted and harassed ? .....

keep it up left-wing fascist ... the world is watching

GenericName(3430) Clarified
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Except I specifically referred to the peaceful protests, and condemned the violent protestors that you just mentioned.

So what was the point of that comment?

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
2 points

Crazy Bernie proudly claims to be a Socialist , Hillary proudly claims to be a 20th century Progressive. If you can Google search easy to find. Now it is your turn to produce when and were Donald j. Trump as claimed to be fascist ! Can you produce that information for me. I await your information !

dadman(1703) Disputed
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Except the individual that most closely adheres to fascist political philosophy in this election is Trump .....

where and how is Trump forcibly suppressing opposition ?

GenericName(3430) Clarified
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Re-read the comment you are responding to (the one you quoted).

One does not have to forcibly suppress opposition in order to adhere more closely to fascist ideology.

So, let's look at the primary aspects of Fascism, and compare Trump to the people you are claiming are fascist.

1. Powerful Nationalism. Considering you and Trump are claiming that those who disagree with you are "Anti-American", and his entire campaign is predicated upon "Make America Great Again", this one should be pretty clear.

2. Ascribing lesser importance to human rights. Trump has regularly advocated deporting people (including those who are here legally) based upon his preconceptions of groups they belong to. He opposes the equal application and protection of the United States Constitution for sexual minorities. The protestors, on the other hand, are against him for these exact types of reasons.

3. Identification of Scapegoats. This one should be very easy to see. From China, to Mexicans, to Muslims, "the other" is regularly to blame for all the ills we face, according to Trump, and only he can show these no good foreigners what we are made of.

Those on the left who protest him regularly criticize his use of scapegoats.

4. Supremacy of Armed Forces. Despite ceaseless long-term increases in military spending, and a military budget that remains leaps and bounds over the the next 10 top spenders, Trump has promised to "rebuild the military".

I'm sure you believe the Left wants to gut out military, on the other hand.

5. Reliance upon traditional Patriarchy. From Trump's comments on Megyn Kelly, to his comments on the contestants of The Apprentice, Trump has reinforced his position as a chauvinist many, many, many times.

I'm willing to bet you can't find evidence of patriarchal comments from the protestors.

6. Controlled Media. This particular one is pretty much null, as neither he, nor the protestors, had control over the media. That said, the fake personality he created in order to lie to journalists with the intent of manipulating them shows a desire for such control, albeit not in a forceful manner.

7. Obsession with National Security. This is differentiated from a normal concern with national security in that the subject regularly uses fear and the topic of national security for political gain. We can see this with Trump and his ban on Muslims and his border wall, among other things.

The Left, on the other hand, is regularly accused by people such as yourself of ignoring national security.

8. Religion and Government. On this particularly instance, neither Trump nor the protestors are guilty of trying to intertwine religion and government.

9. Corporate Power Protected. This one should be pretty obvious, as Trump has advocated decreased regulations for pretty much every industry he has ever mentioned.

The Left and the protestors, on the other hand, are regularly portrayed by the right as "anti-business".

10. Suppression of Labor. This is probably most easily seen in his business practices. His company has regularly been anti-Union, and regularly employs foreign labor (whilst saying he would end the practice).

11. Anti-Intellectualism and Arts. "I love the poorly educated.” - Trump

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment. "We have got to get a lot tougher" - Trump "Letha Injection is too comfortable" - Trump

13. Cronyism and Corruption. Trump has regularly maintained relations with state and national government that he uses to further his company (aka Crony Capitalism). Even the National Review, one of the most prestigious Conservative publications in the U.S., considers him a Crony Capitalist.

14. Fraudulent Elections. This one he gets a pass on, as the possible electoral fraud looked like it would have been directed at him within the Republican Primary.