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Anti-Religion Rhetoric is lame

Those who are openly critical of specific practices, of a specific religious sect, as a member of that sect, are the most potent activists. Non-members, who think their criticism from outside will be well understood, are deluding themselves. Then we have these idiots who think that being against religion or religious groups in general is somehow an intelligent and logically rational position.

"Pointing the finger away from oneself is the coward's favorite form of activism" ~atypican

 

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The problem with non-religious people is that usually assume that you, the believer, think of yourself as being better than they are, the non-believer. While this may be the case once and awhile, true believers are actually very humble and very aware of their own sinful shortcomings. Put bluntly, I am not offended by the hostility of non-believers, I am saddened and it causes me to wonder who could have harmed them in some way, preventing them from believing in the one, true God.

Side: True
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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I am saddened and it causes me to wonder who could have harmed them in some way, preventing them from believing in the one, true God

Why do you assume that being harmed is a prerequisite for disbelief in your God? Is it not possible to disbelieve for reasons amenable to logic and/or reason?

Side: False
maccabaeus(231) Disputed
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It is possible and entertaining to have reasonable, happy, but hypocritical atheist friends and acquaintances. However, some non-believers are angry, mean, hateful people. What made them this way? Perhaps, pain, rejection, abuse, etc.

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All radical, one-sided opinions are lame. Anti-religion is lame, and pro-religion is lame. Neither are obviously good or evil, so the only stance should be the moderate one. Compromise fixes these problems, people.

Side: True

"People that live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones."

Ever notice how fragile most atheists egos are, yet they think nothing about preying on those that have religion.

Pick on an atheist and they cry. The religious don't shed a tear, even when stoned and thrown in lions' dens. Cruel words are nothing new. Being persecuted, nothing new. What evil lays in one's heart, that makes hatred so strong?

Side: True
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I agree. People should be more civilized .

Side: True
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I don't see anything lame about criticizing religious practices that violate basic human rights. And I don't really care what you or anyone else has to say about it, until you are the one being subjugated. I also don't like being told what I can or cannot talk about, if your religion is so fucked up that a women gets whipped for driving, I'll be damned if someone tells me I'm not supposed to say anything.

http://slumz.boxden.com/f610/saudi-woman-punished-driving-1622600/

Where did this false notion come from that people, who think they have some inherent right not to be offended. No such right exists. Never has. If you are going to inject your beliefs into a real world forum, expect to be criticized even made fun of. If your beliefs are so fragile that they cannot withstand criticism, then maybe you need to find new beliefs. Instead of countering criticism, or changing behavior, some people think it's appropriate to censor opinions they don't agree with. This is what I object to.

Anti-religion is prevalent now, especially on the internet, because religion has been coddled for too long, given special treatment, and there are certainly a lot of things to be critical about.

I will tolerate religious beliefs, but I am under no obligation to respect them. Respect must be earned.

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atypican(4875) Disputed
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I don't see anything lame about criticizing religious practices that violate basic human rights.

Wanting to discuss how we can improve is admirable, wanting to discuss how they should improve is totally lame.

And I don't really care what you or anyone else has to say about it, until you are the one being subjugated.

I live under the constant threat of subjugation by ostensibly secular authorities that consider my basic human rights subject to their dogmatic doctrine "laws".

I also don't like being told what I can or cannot talk about

Then be careful not to talk in a way that effectively challenges predominate authority structures, or you'll be more than told, you'll be silenced.

if your religion is so fucked up that a women gets whipped for driving

Here in the US you can be kidnapped away from your family and imprisoned for driving without permission from "non-religious" authorities. What happens to you and your family while in jail...well that's your problem. Frankly I'd rather be whipped than lose my house, job, and car all in one fell swoop.

Anti-religion is prevalent now, especially on the internet

Never mind that it doesn't make any sense to be against religion. A sensible approach would be to point out what acts are unjust, and who are the worst offenders. Ranting and complaining about nondescript "religion" is as hopelessly pointless and childish as saying, I'm sick and tired of all these wrongdoer types fucking the world up for all us do gooder types.

religion has been coddled for too long, given special treatment

Please expand on that.

there are certainly a lot of things to be critical about.

With religion, I argue, the effective criticism comes from within.

I will tolerate religious beliefs, but I am under no obligation to respect them.

Surely you must agree that being informed about the dangerous ones is pretty important. You are under no obligation to take anything seriously, you can opt to be a complete lunatic if you like.

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Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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Wanting to discuss how we can improve is admirable, wanting to discuss how they should improve is totally lame.

So I must join the religion I wish to criticize? I find this to be utterly absurd. I must not be a communist to criticize Communism, I must not belong to the Democrat/Republican parties to criticize them, I must not belong to the Aryan Nation to criticize it, etc.

So tell me then why should I treat religion any different? Why should I give religion special consideration, that I do not afford to other organization or institutions that I consider to be misguided, ill-informed, or corrupt? If my criticisms were sincere then why would I belong to such an organization or institution?

Why should religion be granted a special treatment? I Rebuke your insistence that I should limit my freedom of speech. If I see a problem, then I am going to say something. You can dislike it all you want, you can call it lame but you are a fool.

I live under the constant threat of subjugation by ostensibly secular authorities that consider my basic human rights subject to their dogmatic doctrine "laws". Here in the US you can be kidnapped away from your family and imprisoned for driving without permission from "non-religious" authorities. What happens to you and your family while in jail...well that's your problem.

What government authorities do or do not do is irrelevant to this discussion. Stop trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Frankly I'd rather be whipped than lose my house, job, and car all in one fell swoop.

False Dichotomy.

Being whipped doesn't preclude losing your home or job. This is a fallacious argument.

Never mind that it doesn't make any sense to be against religion.

So then we should limit our free speech to what makes sense to you?

A sensible approach would be to point out what acts are unjust, and who are the worst offenders.

Many anti-religious folks have done precisely that. That some anti-religion advocates don't, does not make all anti-religious rhetoric Lame.

Please expand on that.

On what? That religion is given special treatment? Do you deny that it is?

Here is a good example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/ libertycentral/2009/jul/09/ireland-blasphemy-laws

With religion, I argue, the effective criticism comes from within.

Of course I don't expect to change the hearts and minds of the ardently religious, that is not the point. I can rally support from like minded people, and perhaps sway those who are on-the-fence or undecided. What is lame about that? Or is it lame merely because you disagree with it?

Side: False
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You are on a debate site. What do you expect? You think you can just declare that everything is up for debate, but not religion, because religion is superior and immune? You can debate ANYTHING you want.

Side: False

Non-members, who think their criticism from outside will be well understood, are deluding themselves. Then we have these idiots who think that being against religion or religious groups in general is somehow an intelligent and logically rational position.

We have non members such as Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchins, and Daniel Dennett who are strongly against religion and the harm it causes. Their message has been well received throughout the world. How are they deluding themselves when they have achieved success and spread the word about the falsehood and harm of religion? They have been featured on big news channels. They have a big following.

Side: False