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Apparently, I'm a leftist

I took a few online quizzes to see where they would place me on the political spectrum, most of them said I am a left leaning libertarian.

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@FactMachine.

Apparently, I'm a leftist

I took a few online quizzes to see where they would place me on the political spectrum, most of them said I am a left leaning libertarian.

This is actually always where I have "pegged" you. That is, Molyneux-type "Right Wing Libertarian" tend to be better on many Social Issues then the "Left", certainly better than SJW Left, (however there are still some social issues I think the "traditional Left" (e.g. Chomsky, ect.) are better on). Now, the Molyneux-type is quite different than "Conservative Right-Wing" although they share in common their fundamental beliefs about the good nature of Capitalism and some other notions. If one is against Capitalism, that nearly ipso fact places them somewhere on the "Left".

I consider myself a Left-Wing Libertarian, one large reason is due to being against Capitalism. For social issues, it is mixed in a complicated manner, although I tend to lean with Molyneux (or Kokesh, Right-Wing Libertarians, ect) type more. I follow/read/listen to people across the "political spectrum" form Chomsky to Molyneux to Shapiro, ect. as I tend to agree with them in different areas

The "Left-Right Continuum" can be quite ill-defined in areas and this makes it difficult to pin down exactly where one lies on the spectrum (and can thus be meaningless distinction in many ways)

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GoodListener(625) Clarified
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Genuine question:

How can right wing libertarians be good for anything socially? They advocate to totally abolish welfare and claim that anything like sex ed. and instilling values of any kind into the young of a nation is brainwashing...

If I've got them wrong please correct me...

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xMathFanx(1747) Clarified
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@GoodListener

First, welcome to CreateDebate.

Genuine question:

How can right wing libertarians be good for anything socially? They advocate to totally abolish welfare and aim that anything like sex ed. and instilling values of any kind into the young of a nation is brainwashing...

If I've got them wrong please correct me...

Second, the first half of your question about welfare I will broaden to Social Safety Nets, is where Capitalism and the Free Market enter into the ideology. Now, in this area, for me, it depends case-by-case which I think are legitimate and which are not (I tend to side with Chomsky on these issues and in the short-term, the Green Party). However, I don't think you are fairly portrayed people like Molyneux's views on Social Safety Nets as his arguments can be quite reasonable and sophisticated in areas and worth considering. Here is a link to Stefan Molyneux's channel if you are not familiar with him (I would highly recommend): https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot

Third, the second half of your question I view as the near opposite. People like Molyneux are strong advocates for instating/re-instating values. As for sex ed. which I will broaden to gender issues, this is one topic he (and others) discuss at length and I agree much more with them (the "Right-Wing") on this certainly over the SJW left. We could open up a number of debate thread zooming-in on specific topics here if you want my further views on particular areas. For now, I would recommend checking out some people to introduce you to the "Right-Wing" view of various Social Issues in more detail (if you haven't already; you will find that their arguments in various areas are much more refined, detailed, and sensible than the Regressive SJW Left would like one to believe):

-Stefan Molyneux

-Jordan Peterson

-Adam Kokesh

-Steven Crowder

-Gavin McInnes

-Ben Shapiro

-"Reason" magazine can have some good articles

Side: Left
NicolasCage(506) Clarified
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I don't agree with it, however the right-wing libertarian view tends to be that with unrestricted free market capitalism, there will be no need for government welfare. Employers will provide it themselves.

I've not actually seen any libertarian advocate for the second half of your comment, however I'll take a guess at why they might be against instilling values into the young. Libertarians are, fundamentally, about liberty, and they believe there shouldn't be universal norms and values taught to the youth.

It's all nonsense in my personal opinion; right-wing libertarians like to be smug and believe themselves to be "realists", however they live in just as much of an ideological fantasy world as their nemesis', the authoritarian communists.

Trusting corporations to the huge extent that right-wing libertarians do is just baffling to me. Of course, private investment must be encouraged and given breathing room, however if they're left to do whatever they want with no consequence we'll end up in some sort of dystopian society where the rich live in gated communities and the poor are left to fend for themselves on the streets, forced every year to compete in a brutal 24-person fight to the death with nothing but primitive bows, axes and knives as wea-

Side: Left
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I consider myself a Left-Wing Libertarian, one large reason is due to being against Capitalism.

That's strange, because whenever you lose a debate you behave exactly like a far-right fascist. A week or two ago you were unable to explain the origins of the genetic code and subsequently you launched a dirty smear campaign against me in which you quite purposefully lied about everything I had said. You consistently used the infamous right wing smear tactic of labelling me a conspiracy theorist and at one point you accused me of worshipping the Annunaki. You also lied about being a physics student.

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xMathFanx(1747) Disputed
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That's strange, because whenever you lose a debate you behave exactly like a far-right fascist

Lol. I have never said anything that is even slightly indicates "Fascism"..

You consistently used the infamous right wing smear tactic of labelling me a conspiracy theorist and at one point you accused me of worshipping the Annunaki.

You are a serial Conspiracy Theorist and this is not a "Right-Wing" tactic.. People on all sides of the political spectrum want to distance themselves from quacks and their crackpot ideas..

You also lied about being a physics student.

I haven't lied about anything. I've addressed this a number of times on CD (and with you). I tripled majored in Mathematics/Physics/History, got half-way in to Physics, realized something had to give between Math and Phys. for my undergraduate since the workload was getting far too high (while still being in good standing to pursue one or both in Grad school). I dropped Physics, stuck with Mathematics and History, which I am in the process of wrapping up this school year

Also, I took an online Political Spectrum quiz and it turned back as a "strong" Left-Wing Libertarian (which is entirely consistent with Chomsky being my favorite modern social/political intellectual)

Side: Left
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I took a quiz that said I’m leftist. I immediately became suspicious of the motivations behind the quiz.

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xMathFanx(1747) Clarified
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@Amarel.

I took a quiz that said I’m leftist. I immediately became suspicious of the motivations behind the quiz.

Lol. That is a good point to. There are a lot of bullsh't "quizzes" online

One quiz I would highly recommend is a Myers-Brigg Personality Test (found here): https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

My results came back INTJ ("the Architect")

Side: Left
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I just took that quiz and got INTJ-A(also "the Architect")

Side: Left

My result is INFP-A. I liked the description, I wasn't always this type but definitely have become it throughout my life and love it.

I was closest to INTP before.

https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality

Side: Left

If you are a leftist then good for you.

If you are not, then also good for you.

Find the real you, don't let a quiz define you or box you in.

Side: Left
FactMachine(432) Clarified
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Did you hear about the psychic midget who escaped from prison?

There's a small medium at large.

Side: Left

Alright, very witty and all but how is that relevant to this matter?

Are you a midget? If you're an escaped fugitive then don't post that here.

Side: Left
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Hello F:

Apparently, you mistook us for people who CARE what the fuck you are..

excon

Side: Right

The issue isn't that he's a troll it's that he seemingly only exists to talk abusive shit, not advocate any serious cause.

Side: Right