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Are American Voters Ignorant?

I just listened to a You Tube Clip (below) that was quite disturbing. Sal from Howard Stern goes out into Brooklyn to interview people that are planning on voting for Obama, and then asks them the reasons that they're voting. Do you think American's are really this ignorant? Or do you think the enormous amount of media coverage and sites like CreateDebate are helping people be more informed voters when they go to the polls on November 4th?

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Ignorant Voters

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11 points

This question can not be answered with a "ignorant" or "informed". I think there are really 3 categories, with the people in the middle forming the largest group.

There is a large group of Americans that do not pay attention to politics and are not educated enough to form coherent political views...(as evidenced by the Stern interview, Wow) Hopefully, the majority of these people will stay home on election day.

On the other end, there is a large group of people that are "plugged in" and are knowledgeable about the candidates and their policies.

In the middle, you have millions of americans that just read or listen to the headlines, forming their political views (if you can call them that, maybe inclinations would be better) based on a conversation that they had with someone at the watercooler. Busy with their everyday lives, they don't take extra time to educate themselves about the different candidates and form their own opinions. Can you blame some of these people? There is so much conflicting information about the two candidates that it is tough to figure out what is the real story.

I side with Ignorant Voters on this debate because when it comes down to it... Those americans in the middle can not be considered "Informed"

Side: Ignorant Voters
0 points

omg that is so true lol

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australia ftw

Side: Ignorant Voters
4 points

Actually what makes it so bad isn't that they aren't informed. It's that they aren't informed but think they are.

And the media... well, the media is just a joke. I have yet to find a media source that isn't biased to some degree. And I've seen this in every presidential election since I was old enough to start paying attention. The media picks their favorite and does everything they can to help that person out. Even if they don't come out and say, "We're voting for XXXXX" they just refuse to cover stories that make that candidate look bad, while spending far too much time trying to make the other candidate look bad.

Side: Ignorant Voters
BabyBoomerQu(60) Disputed
1 point

Why didn't Howard go to Southern Alabama and ask some white, rednecks who they were voting for and give cross references? And see how they did. Then I would be impressed.

Of course people vote for for they relate to. Be it black, religion, pro-lifer, handsome, old fart, pretty, Vet. or party ticket.

Yes, people are not informed about one of the most important decisions that they can make...but what interests me is that...it is the Electoral Vote that puts the President in the White House. Doesn't matter how you vote.

I have friends who vote straight party and to me that is just as ignorant.

Should Obama win, is Howard Stern going to yell, Obama won because he was black? I think not...Howard Stern is just Howard Stern.

I don't take Howard stern too seriously, after all he is all about political satire and the creator of who done it while you weren't looking...Americas Bad Boy and muck rucker...

I think Americans are rather lazy when it comes to politics. And I think a lot of them know that politicians lie so much it is usually the vote between who comes off looking the most sincere and convincing.

People take their right to vote for granted. Wake up America...look around, one day you might not have that right, like so many other countries. 911 was just the beginning of Big Brother really taking over.

Sharon

~The Baby Boomer Queen~

Side: Informed Voters
4 points

To paraphrase P.T. Barnum, there's a moron born every minute. And not just people who say they're voting for Obama. How many idiots out there still think Obama is a Muslim? How many people even know what the Keating 5 scandal was about? I do take issue with the one-sided-ness of the Stern piece, and agree with the writer who asked why he didn't go to the South and seek out McCain supporters and ask why they are voting Republican. I think in that respect that the piece actually adds to the ignorance of John and Jane Q. Public. But I digress- are most voters ignorant? I think, to a certain extent, yes. And this is not unique to the American experience- in our long, oh so slow evolution as a species, we've done a lot of stupid sh*&- let's all remember that Hitler was actually elected at first, Galileo got the crap kicked out of him for saying the Earth was not the center of the universe, and that carpenter from Galilee got crucified for teaching peace, love, and understanding. So, yes, there are, and have always been, a lot of stupid folks out there. But, as Anne Frank said, in spite of everything I still believe people are good inside.

Side: Ignorant Voters
1 point

Bravo!!! Bravo!! Beautifully said.

Side: Ignorant Voters
3 points

I think I'm going to go cry now. That video will give me nightmares for the next month. I think I have to go with ignorant, but I hope that I'm wrong. Even "informed" voters get their information from biased news sources or blogs, or even worse celebrities! I do respect the fact that celebrities in both parties use their fame to speak about issues that they care about, but it scares me that many people accept those views as their own simply because a celebrity said so.

Side: Ignorant Voters
1 point

Yes, and this is how your "cowboy" presidents are elected... People just do not pay enough attention.

These are probably the same people that render spam successful, and I don't personally know anyone who falls for spam, so these people may be rare.

You also have to imagine going out to Harlem yourself and selecting people who don't know what they're talking about... Everyone knows where to find the idiot in the room, so this is nothing really that important. We don't know the circumstances, so don't assume this is accurate, you'd be making the same mistake as they are, choosing Obama based on McCain's reputation. Do your homework, if you don't, then dismiss this crap and forget about it.

Side: Ignorant Voters
3 points

You admit that you listen to Howard Stern and then ask if Americans are ignorant? Seems like the question answers itself. Next question . . . I watch Jerry Springer, are Americans classy?

Side: Ignorant Voters
2 points

I think the American people are "picking sides" with this one.... Most people I know cant answer why they like a candidate, but they say they'll vote for them.

Side: Ignorant Voters
-1 points

ha ha ha Can people get any stupider, I mean come on even I know the difference between the 2 and who the VP's are and i am Australian!

I mean come on America What The Fuck?????

Side: Ignorant Voters
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
4 points

That's the point. People in Australia know more about it because in America this shit is smeared from both sides of the media 24/7. You wake up in the morning to people on NPR talking about it, then you flip on the television to check the weather because NPR is too busy to tell you, and then everyone on TV is smearing both candidates... and you usually know which station will be smearing who, so you check online and you find the weather on a page covered in political advertisements, and you get in the car, drive to work, and any talk station on the radio is doing the same thing, then you see people throughout the day talking about what they've heard on their news stations, and then you stop somewhere to pick up coffee and it's in the newspapers and magazines, all smearing the candidates...

The media is our problem, and the candidates wouldn't have to pander to these idiots if the media had restrictions... but then we would wonder why they don't have this freedom in America.

:/

Side: Ignorant Voters
3 points

A very good point! But how did this American media monster get created? Is it only in America where we have this overly dramatic, opinionated crap for news? Did they force feed it down our throats or did we ask for the fake drama and they help create it for us?

Side: Informed Voters
-1 points

Of coarse! American's get more and more drawn into this bullshit, media smear is incredible and unless you understand how that works, it makes it hard to understand what NEEDS to be understood about each. You have to do your own homework now, about everything... as usual, but now you have tons of people who DON'T do their homework, and they work, whatever, all day, come home and watch TV. The television is getting in the way of the real issues here, so is the paper, in most cases.

People accept it though, it's the television, it's about politics, they are polls, etc. NO! This is nothing more than PANDERING. The candidates that you see on television aren't the actual politics that you'll be voting for. This is a show, an act, for all of the people out there that don't do research themselves. It's just a show for the people that don't DO THEIR HOMEWORK. It keeps getting MORE attention than it should, people keep buying it because they don't actually do anything else but saturate themselves with mainstream media BULLSHIT.

GO READ SOMETHING. Anything, just don't listen to your peers and DON'T TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA TO GIVE YOU CREDIBLE INFORMATION.

It's not the people's fault for not knowing... The "issues" are all over the place, everywhere. Radio, AM and FM, Music, Magazines, News Papers, Documentaries, Television, Film... It's everywhere. I am not surprised that people think that they are getting the information they need, it's everywhere. Why do you think McCain lies so often? HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT IF THERE IS MEDIA TO SMEAR THE LEFT AND EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO CALL MCCAINS BLUFF.

It's all an act, ignore it. Go get someone who knows what they are talking about and is not afraid to talk to you about things WITHOUT BIAS.

Side: Ignorant Voters
2 points

I personally read each of their web sites on the issues. Also, the site sciencedebate2008 is great because the candidates sent in their own responses, so it is the words out of their own mouths! (Or keyboards, and I am sure they had help, but you know what I mean! ;) )

Supporting Evidence: Science Debate 2008 (www.sciencedebate2008.com)
Side: Ignorant Voters
-2 points
6 points

Not sure one can use the humorous interviews of Howard Stern to point towards any truths in the American public other than...he's good at making us laugh at ourselves and how some can be duped.

Side: Informed Voters
3 points

That's the thing, to me it looks like the supposedly humorous shows are way better at giving you the facts.

They claim they are entertainment, but do a pretty good job at educating their viewers.

Mass Media however, claims they have the news, but only focus on easily digestible stuff and talking points.

No wonder, a lot of people are ignorant - staying informed is hard work! You have to look at different sources and you can't even trust the candidate you favor - they are all lying :(

Side: Ignorant Voters

Good points! You are the one who has to do the work... I think that we used to be able to depend on the media, but now-a-days they are just too biased!

Side: Ignorant Voters
bwind3(73) Disputed
1 point

I'd agree with you if you were talking about John Stewart or Colbert, but Stern is known for hitting at the low end especially with those interviews. I followed/listened to him for years. And while I thoroughly enjoyed the queef queens, drunken dwarves and much of Stern's view on things...many/much of his public interview items were less about educating the public to the "truth" of things than for just serving up some humorous bits.

I don't know if I'd agree either that all the candidates are lying. They all play the politics game, and say things they don't fully believe or know that they won't ever be able to deliver but that has always been the case for those looking to gain power. Staying informed from as many sources as possible these days is the only way to gain a closer understanding of what is Really going on.

Side: Informed Voters
4 points

I think that American voters are more informed than video like this makes them seem. If the people making the show are out to entertain people, then they wouldn't go out to talk to informed people that really know the people they support in this election, whichever side it may be. If the show went out and interviewed people, I'm sure that they chose the ones that were the funniest, and those are the people that we see. I think that in the past, the American voter could have gotten by being ignorant of the issues and ignorant of the politicians that they were supporting, but today, the issues are important enough where voters need to be informed about the policies and the agendas of who they are voting for. This is a pretty important election, and I don't believe that America can survive with hordes of uninformed, ignorant voters flocking to vote that have no idea what they are doing.

Also, in today's world, there is no excuse for being uninformed! There are news channels that run 24/7, there is radio, there is the internet, and there has always been the newspaper. There is no reason for someone who can manage to vote to not be able to inform themselves on the candidates.

Side: Informed Voters

First off, Mr. Shock Jock sent Sal to "Harlem" not Brooklyn! Harlem is the largest Afro-American section of New York City! It's a stacked deck and no one can stack a deck like Stern can. If one bases their opinion on Americans being ignorant or informed based on the underwhelming whims of the likes of Howard Stern, I would be shocked and appalled at their ignorance.

In today's world there is no reason NOT to be informed if one wishes to be. This IS the information age. News is everywhere 24/7 and that includes all the political articles from across America we can read on the Internet if we so choose. There is also an abundance of information right here on CD which, when culled properly, can give you a pretty good idea of what's going on, who the candidates are and what they believe in even if you see, hear or watch nothing else!

Sending Sal to Harlem to interview people on the street about Obama is like sending him to Tuskegee, Alabama to establish George Wallace's anti-segregationist views! What a farce.

Side: Informed Voters
1 point

Please, let's not let a clever little Howard Stern piece determine our answers to this question. Often, when a person walking the streets going about their business is suddenly confronted by a guy with a microphone, the inclination is to get very nervous and self-conscious, for fear of sounding foolish. So even if the information being presented by the interviewer is confusing (i.e., mixing up the vice presidential candidates), one is apt to just jump at the quickest answer available so as to get away from the uncomfortable situation. (Stern's a professional, he knows this, and so do his minions). As for Stern's issue of black people voting for Senator Obama because he's a black man: Unless one is prepared to speak to the question of how many millions of old rich white people have voted for old rich white men, essentially for that very reason, I think one has no business "going there," to quote a popular phrase. Yes, ethnicity is an issue, racism remains an issue, and there's absolutely no doubt in my old white mind that some black people will be voting for Senator Obama because he's black; and why shouldn't they?

One last thing about Stern: I grew up in Southern Connecticut, right next to New York, so regretably I heard a lot of Howard Stern growing up listening to 66 WNBC on the car radio. One thing has always struck me about the tone of that voice: that Howard Stern has got to be the most miserable human being on the face of the earth.)

No, I don't believe American voters are ignorant. Rather, I think there's a tendency to delude one's self into believing one can make an intuitive choice, without the need for reading or studying. The issue is not ignorance but self-delusion; comforting self-delusion. And I suppose I'm somewhat of an example of that. I read a few magazine articles, I burn through the newspaper stories, then I vote. I do believe, however, that the televised debates- which I watched carefully- gave me a pretty clear impression of the Democratic and Republican candidates, and helped me solidify my decision.

But just look at Pennsylvania right now. Experts are saying that if Senator McCain can take Pennsylvania (and there's some indication he can) that it could turn the tide on this election. But how could Pennsylvanians, people with a history of working so hard yet still experiencing such economic hardship, want to choose a man who, when asked, couldn't even remember how many properties he owns; whose family thus far refuses to produce last year's tax returns for fear of drawing attention to the incredible weath they enjoy? I am a person of low-income, and it's my belief that I would have to be deluding myself to think that such a man could have my best interests at heart.

Side: Informed Voters

It is now 2015 and I am so happy that I voted for Obama in 2008 and again in 2012.

Side: Informed Voters
0 points

That is a good point...that is exactly what Howard Stern does...LOLOLOL

Sharon

~The Baby Boomer Queen~

Side: Informed Voters
0 points

Honestly, most American Voters are informed. The fact that you are relating this commentary on America as a whole quite honestly offends me. Most people in America know that Harlem and Compton are the 2 worst cities in the USA and of course most people who choose to live there will not be intelligent so creating this debate was a cheap-shot on America and I'm quite certain it will offend and/or irritate a large number of Americans who see this and realize the basis of your argument as trying to take a single bad banana from a tree and saying that all bananas that grow on the tree are therefore bad bananas.

Side: I am Irritated by this Debate
1 point

I disagree with your premise that the only reason these people were uninformed was because of the area they lived in. We can see ignorance throughout the nation even across social classes. A friend of mine made a video where he went to an all girls Catholic high school and asked students if they wanted to end women's suffrage. Of the twenty he asked only two of the girls said they didn't want to end women's suffrage. This school is not in the inner city and the students are supposed to well educated.

I think that you are taking the Howard Stern show a little too seriously. Obviously the interviews are not representative of all of America, but they are still an important part of the whole. As for the debate, I also disagree. It is an important debate to have because we should strive to educate every voter so that their decisions may be as well informed as possible. This can be done in many ways but the media plays a very significant role in educating the public about where candidates stand on particular issues.

Side: Ignorant Voters