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Debate Score:81
Arguments:57
Total Votes:94
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Are Citizens Given a 'Fair Deal' in the USA?

Are Citizens Given a 'Fair Deal' in the USA?

Outline and/or describe ways in which US citizens may or may not be given a 'Fair Deal'

Yes

Side Score: 40
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No

Side Score: 41
3 points

Hello x:

I don't believe a citizen is "given" anything except a basic education, clean water to drink and some roads to travel on. (Of course, I didn't list everything, but you get my drift). Yes, we have a safety net for those who don't or can't make it on their own. I guess you could call that a "gift".

Beyond that, in this great country of ours, a young person can write his OWN life script.. What greater gift is there?

excon

Side: Yes
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

Is there anything more fair than a system that enables people to write their own script?

Side: Yes

Why is this argument on the "Yes" side of the debate, Excon?

Side: No
1 point

To varying degrees, Americans have a fair deal for the most part. If you look at my debate about what people are barred from and compelled to, you will find that people don’t want to pay taxes and want to smoke pot. If these perceived injustices are the first things that come to people’s minds, then we are likely getting a generally fair deal

Private concerns likely vary to a much greater extent. General crime in the US is fairly high. It’s not fair to be a victim of a crime.

Side: Yes
1 point

Not unless those citizens are "united". Those "citizens" have enough money to create their OWN .... fairness! (Today, thanks to a stacked SCOTUS!).

Side: Yes

MathFan.

There is no fair deal. American culture is predicated upon the mass indoctrination of its citizens into political, religious and economic ideology.

In mainstream American culture, critical thinkers are under perpetual attack. In fact, many of your own attacks against myself and other users illustrate this fact poignantly. The ego of Americans is purposefully overfed to the point of obesity, precisely because it is necessary in order to sell certain products. Unfortunately, one of the side effects is that many of you are not prepared to be reasoned with, and when your belief structure is challenged in a critical manner, you become emotionally unstable.

Side: No
xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
1 point

@Quantumhead

What is the evidence that Britain is superior?

Side: Yes
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
3 points

What is the evidence that Britain is superior?

If you intend to radically misrepresent the things I say then this conversation is already over.

Bye.

Side: Yes
Nomoturtle(857) Clarified
3 points

Where in that argument does Quantumhead even mention Britain?

I think you are misrepresenting.

Side: Yes
xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
1 point

@Quantumhead

Then, your contention is that citizens are not given a 'fair' opportunity to a decent/good life in America?

Side: Yes
Quantumhead(749) Clarified
1 point

Then, your contention is that citizens are not given a 'fair' opportunity to a decent/good life in America?

A "decent/good" life is a subjective premise because it depends completely upon what you compare it to. Since it is subjective I cannot debunk it as false.

Side: Yes
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

American culture is predicated upon

You don’t actually know anything about American culture.

critical thinkers are under perpetual attack

It is the nature of critical thinking to be critical and to be criticized. It is the irrational, emotional, intellectual coward that demands to have their ideas protected. They create safe spaces and physically assault critical thinkers who disagree. These people are few and fringe and on the left of the American political spectrum.

The ego of Americans is purposefully overfed

You imply puppets without a puppet master. Whose pulling the strings Nom? It’s always fun when you go down this particular rabbit hole.

one of the side effects is that many of you are not prepared to be reasoned with

He said to the mirror and all his alt accounts. It’s wired that you never tire of the facade.

Side: Yes
1 point

critical thinkers are under perpetual attack

I think you're overreacting. How exactly are critical thinkers under attack? I'll remind you, someone who is defending what they believe is not attacking anyone.

Side: Yes
joebloggs(10) Disputed
1 point

How exactly are critical thinkers under attack?

Why don't you actually read through the forum and find out, troll?

I'll remind you, someone who is defending what they believe is not attacking anyone.

I'll remind you that this only proves Quantum's point, since shooting a car thief in the face is defence only in the eyes of a psychopath.

Side: No
1 point

There is no fair deal. American culture is predicated upon the mass indoctrination of its citizens into political, religious and economic ideology

That's odd, seeing we are every race, culture, religion etc on Earth and can't agree on basically anything as a group...

Side: Yes
joebloggs(10) Disputed
1 point

That's odd, seeing we are every race, culture, religion etc on Earth and can't agree on basically anything as a group...

That's odd, seeing as Americans agree on guns, capitalism, democracy, liberty, free speech, separation of church and state and the idea that America is the "greatest" country on Earth.

Also odd is your belief that, since you are "every race culture and religion" (applies to most countries), this means you have not been indoctrinated into a particular way of thinking, since America has only ever elected white Christian male leaders, with only a single exception in 300 years. How does only electing white Christian male leaders factor into your belief that there is equal representation of different beliefs in America?

You are a liar and a shill, bronto.

Side: No
Mingodalia(203) Disputed
1 point

In mainstream American culture, critical thinkers are under perpetual attack

I'm guessing that you live on another planet. Most certainly not the United States. It looks like you might be slow in the head, so that is that.

Side: Yes
Mingodalia(203) Disputed
1 point

The ego of Americans is purposefully overfed to the point of obesity

It is indeed the truth. In a capitalist society like ours you can easily obtain plenty to eat.

Unfortunately, one of the side effects is that many of you are not prepared to be reasoned with

We reason well just not with deranged, uneducated corkadoodles. Why on Earth would we listen to people from countries that are subordinate to ours in almost every category including economics?

and when your belief structure is challenged in a critical manner, you become emotionally unstable.

We use you for entertainment. You are the only emotional person I see on the entire site.

Side: Yes
Nomoturtle(857) Disputed
1 point

American culture is predicated upon the mass indoctrination of its citizens into political, religious and economic ideology

I don't think so. Your religious ideology is typically a result of familial tradition and teaching. You are most likely to keep whatever religious affiliation you parents taught you. Economic ideology is again just upbringing, way of life, how you interact with society. It's natural and self repeating, requiring no influence outside of what's already there. Not the sort of conspiracy-run indoctrination you seem to imply.

Critical thinkers aren't under attack for being outside the norm, they're disagreed with or not on a case by case basis. 'critical thinkers' wouldn't even be a reliable label to discriminate on, anyone can take half assed or uninformed positions on anything to disqualify them from the term.

Side: Yes
Quantumhead(749) Clarified
1 point

I don't think so. Your religious ideology is typically a result of familial tradition and teaching. You are most likely to keep whatever religious affiliation you parents taught you.

I fully agree with you, but at the same time this doesn't mean that non-religious individuals/families aren't being encouraged into religion. You have to remember that parents are not the only influence throughout a child's formative years. Indeed, even my own anecdotal experience in Britain illustrates this, since neither of my parents encouraged me to become religious, yet the first two schools I attended did precisely that, through a continued process of normalisation and repetition. Hence, your point and my own are not mutually exclusive. They are both true.

Economic ideology is again just upbringing, way of life, how you interact with society.

Forgive me, but one would either have to be either naive or American (i.e. inside the bubble) to believe this. Consider the general American attitude toward communism and/or socialism to be a particularly pertinent example. It is not coincidence that these words invoke negative thought patterns in Americans. It is because Americans lived through 70 years of being bombarded with Cold War propaganda. Most Americans see the world through the paradigm of consumer capitalism and that is a direct result of mass indoctrination. It isn't necessarily intentional (not any longer at least), but that nevertheless does not affect the measurable accuracy of the claim.

Indeed, your own comments about the way religion is passed down from one generation to the next would also have to apply to parental politico-economic beliefs.

Critical thinkers aren't under attack for being outside the norm, they're disagreed with or not on a case by case basis.

Again, this is extremely naive and contrary to the established facts. There is much academic research to support the belief that people gravitate towards those opinions they already agree with, to the point that they actively avoid being confronted with opposing views. If you force a country of people who have been indoctrinated into consumer capitalism to listen to academics who are trying to explain why capitalism is unsustainable and self-contradictory then what exactly do you expect is going to happen? Do you think Americans are going to nonchalantly throw away decades worth of political bias overnight just so they can give these opinions a fair trial? Please.

To prove how naive this view is, one needs look no further than the American climate change "debate". The people best qualified to resolve the issue are being ignored by a massive demographic which cannot overcome its own bias long enough to understand how one-sided the facts are.

Side: Yes

Are Citizens Given a 'Fair Deal' in the USA?

Citizens are not given a "fair deal" in the U.S., nor should they. If we were, that would change what the U.S. is. We dedicated 2 terribly-executed wars in order to fight the spread of communism, and now it's at our front door because of idiot college students that think if we have free healthcare and the wealth is spread out equally, then we'll be happier than Denmark. People who say "no, but they should", rethink your position and consider the consequences.

Side: No
xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
0 points

@themadgadfly

Then, do you think citizens are not given a 'fair' opportunity to forge for themselves a decent/good life in America?

Side: Yes
0 points

Then, do you think citizens are not given a 'fair' opportunity to forge for themselves a decent/good life in America?

No, not at all. Some are born poor, some are born rich. Why should we? So people that live off of unemployment checks and refuse to work can become as rich as the next Bill Gates?

Side: Yes
1 point

AMERICANS ISNT GIVEN A FAIR DEAL BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE LIKE THE REST OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD AND NO FREE COLLAGE AND YOU GET TAXED ON EVERYTHING LIKE FOOD AND CORPORATIONS CONTROL YOUR DEMOCRACY

Side: No
0 points

Fuck no. Rapists and dv offenders have parental rights, we are losing religious liberty, torture, the death penalty, and abortion are legal, people are DYING without healthcare, and capitalists are hijacking the Democratic Party.

Side: No
0 points

Yeah, if you pick the right major in college. Go any other route then no not really. Skilled labor is no longer valued. Sitting at a computer trying to make 4 hours of work stretch 8 hours on some days can land you the jackpot and your boss doing even less in many cases makes buckets more than you do and probably has other people doing his work. If this offends then go work a 12 hour outdoor labor or skilled labor day for 1/3 or less pay and say you aren't clinging to that degree or Microsoft Office training like a life raft and if you do happen to like the work you wont do it for that pay. Your not alone, no one wants those jobs anymore unless they just love labor which thankfully some do otherwise you would have to wait a week just for an oil change. And all labor comes with the title "Too dumb for school" nowdays even though some simply didn't want to sit on their ass for another 4 yrs or more. Over half of those college courses you went into debt for to get that piece of paper that says you qualify for more money will never be used at work. Also good luck with all the entry level jobs requiring a degree and experience. Bet someone out there will give you crap pay just so you can get that experience after busting your ass in classes for 4 years and being more than capable of doing the job without experience. Same for skilled labor, skill needed, skill specific training not offered, 3 to 5 months to finally find someone instead of training someone who already has skills in that field and getting someone right away. Most skilled laborors are considered middle class but live worse than lower class once the government assistance kicks in because middle doesn't qualify. If your lower class the world of benefits is yours nowdays but your still not living great but hey you may not even have to work. Also less than 1% of the population accounts for almost half of the countries combined income. Still fuckin love my U.S. of A till death though.

Side: No
xMathFanx(1722) Disputed
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@brokenspear

Yeah, if you pick the right major in college. Go any other route then no not really. Skilled labor is no longer valued.

This is wrong. In fact, most College majors do not do one much of anything in the Job Market, while Trades are highly valuable and will earn one a Middle-Class income & does not cost much at all to earn qualifications.

Side: Yes