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Are The Old Robbing The Young?

When social security, pension programs, and a lot of retirement plans were initially set-up, the average life-expectancy was 65 years of age. You lived for a few years and then you died. Now, people are living forever and that's great (because everyone loves Granma!). My grandma retired from teaching in 1980. She's 96, still drawing $50,000 a year from the pension (not to mentin medical coverage).  That's 32 years she's been drawing of the system (1.6 million dollars).  Savings and compound interest will only take you so far. The point is that she's drawn far more from the system than she could have ever paid into the system. The thing is she's the only person in that situation. I've met a lot of older people who have been retired since the 1970s. And mathematically,  grandma at least could not have accrued 1.6 million. It means she's living off what someone else is paying into the system. No one wants the unpopular choice of cutting Grandma off (she's 96). We're starting to see people living longer.  That's just one area where the system is underfunded.

 

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"YOU KIDS STAY AWAY FROM ME WITH YOUR SKATEBOARDS, CANNABIS AND DUBSTEP SHIT"

-my neighbour

Side: Yes
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In a strange way, it is true. Doctors and at least one person in the family will always want the oldest people to survive in any sort of incident, so any time you come close to dying, you're given life support. It's an excellent system, as long as we have the goods and money to pay for it realistically. And even though it's a "it's not fair" situation, what would you have them do to you? Would you rather not go to a hospital after a heart attack? Or would you rather just die?

Side: Yes

Personally, I don't have the expectation that I should live forever, nor would I want it.

I believe in trying to be healthy, but I don't really believe in artificial means. We're approaching a point where we can suspend life indefinitely, but the question remains: is that life? And who are we doing that for? I don't want to propped up on machines or an infinite of concoction of pills. If I'm still around to see 80, I'm going to take up skydiving and other hazardous activities.

Side: Yes

You young whippersnappers have to realize something. We brought you into this world to take care of us. And if you don't comply..., we'll take you out. And it doesn't matter to us because we'll make another one just like you. There's a reason we made it to a ripe old age. We clawed our way to the top. Old age and treachery will always triumph over youth and skill. We didn't get to the top by playing nice. Yea, though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we shall fear no evil, for we are the meanest SOBs in the valley. We are your worse nightmare. Don't mess with us. We'll cut you. You guys will get your inheritance when you pry it from our cold, dead, fingers ;)

Side: No