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Debate Score:101
Arguments:81
Total Votes:116
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Are all Libertarians whack jobs ?

Yes

Side Score: 45
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No

Side Score: 56

Absolutely, those crazy nuts with their freedom and their refusal to coerce you..........................

Side: Yes
2 points

Well I don't know about all? But I know I am.

Side: Yes
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7 points

To think that high standards of living would not exist without government is infantile.

Side: No
Atrag(5666) Disputed
3 points

I see no evidence throughout the world if that being the case. Its a child that says "I want everything but don't want to pay for it".

Side: Yes

Interesting how he actually thinks that government increases the standard of living. Government makes us poorer.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

With out governments you have no police and no laws, so how does one get a higher standard of living among chaos?

Side: Yes
2 points

Don't feel bad about being down-voted. They do this whenever an idea exists that isn't what the majority here thinks. Facts are irrelevant here, just popular belief is what counts on CD.

Side: Yes
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

You said that you were a libertarian. You lied. .

Side: No
Sitara(11080) Clarified
1 point

i know we have our issues, but you had the right to say that.

Side: Yes
1 point

I agree but overtaxation is a problem. I would support a moderate tax to be determined by market conditions.

Side: Yes
Atrag(5666) Clarified
2 points

Give an example of an area that is overtaxed?

Side: Yes

You said taxation isn't theft because the government allows it. So I guess democide isn't killing because the government allows it.

You might want to ask yourself who the actual whack jobs are, those who believe that voluntary trade and peace will make the world better or those who believe that violence and coercion will make the world better.

PS: You saying "oh you're only 17" is not a valid argument.

Side: No
sauh(1106) Disputed
2 points

What if I say "you've only been alive on this earth for less than a score of years"; is that a valid argument?

Side: Yes
Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

I just wanted to add that taxation isn't theft, not because the government allows it, but because it's the fee we pay for living in an organized civilization. It's an agreement between the individual and the group as a whole to ensure all people contribute.

Side: Yes
2 points

Organized civilization is based on voluntary exchange. Law and order merely thwarts theft, murder and all other acts of aggression, yet all of these acts are committed by government everyday. Violence and the threat of violence only creates disorganization.

Side: No
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

The only good tax is a flat sales tax. Otherwise, the government can bugger off.

Side: No
Atrag(5666) Clarified
1 point

Agreement is a strange word to use though. Usually with an agreement both parties consent to doing something. In this case there is no consent but rather an obligation.

Side: Yes
1 point

I just wanted to add that taxation isn't theft, not because the government allows it, but because it's the fee we pay for living in an organized civilization. It's an agreement between the individual and the group as a whole to ensure all people contribute.

The argument of if government is efficient, practical or is necessary for civilization is another issue, but morally it is still theft, no matter what you pretend it is. Taxation involves a government using threats of violence, imprisonment and coercion to ext rat funds from their owners. That is still theft, you can dress a pig up as a person and call it a person, but it is still a pig.

Side: No
Sitara(11080) Clarified
1 point

You are so cool. I thought that you were 30. I wish I had your smarts at your age. :)

Side: Yes

It is really hard to understand how people think violence and coercion by means of government make the world a better place. As government grows, the world becomes more violent and coercive and less free.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

You said taxation isn't theft because the government allows it. So I guess democide isn't killing because the government allows it.

Democide isn't killing when the citizens of a nation allow the government to do such things. If something is accepted by society then it is. When society wants change they have to act and can no longer be a spectator. Example; were the people of Germany responsible for the killing of Jews? Yes, because they did nothing.

You might want to ask yourself who the actual whack jobs are, those who believe that voluntary trade and peace will make the world better or those who believe that violence and coercion will make the world better.

Anybody that believes they have all the answers is a whack job.

You saying "oh you're only 17" is not a valid argument.

If you only read the first chapter of a book; Do you know as much about that book as somebody that has read the whole book?

Side: Yes
Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

If you only read the first chapter of a book; Do you know as much about that book as somebody that has read the whole book?

Reading the whole book doesn't mean you understood it.

Side: No
1 point

Democide isn't killing when the citizens of a nation allow the government to do such things. If something is accepted by society then it is. When society wants change they have to act and can no longer be a spectator. Example; were the people of Germany responsible for the killing of Jews? Yes, because they did nothing.

What do you mean they did nothing? There were over 30 assassination attempts on Hitler, Ernst Rome plotted to kill Hitler, there were many underground movements against Hitler and there was always the White Rose Resistance. Democide is democide, regardless of what people thing of the killings.

Anybody that believes they have all the answers is a whack job.

When did I say I had all the answers? You're the one who thinks that government is the answer to all our problems.

If you only read the first chapter of a book; Do you know as much about that book as somebody that has read the whole book?

Terrible metaphor, you're assuming that everyone's life is the same book. Age =/= experience. Age =/= wisdom. Age =/= knowledge.

Side: No
2 points

They are quite logical actually. .

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

Screaming smaller government is nuts without addressing such things as over 10% of the population in the USA works for the government.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141785/Gov-Employment-Ranges-Ohio.aspx

Find a job for all those that are government employees and I'll quit calling Libertarians whack jobs. Until this happens, you are a whack job.

Side: Yes
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

I am a centrist moderate. I want a moderate government, not too little, and not too much.

Side: No
1 point

I'm not sure what you mean by "whack jobs" but unless it is an attribute necessary to be a libertarian, I don't think you can demonstrate that ALL libertarians are whack jobs.

If it is an attribute necessary to be a libertarian than this debate serves no purpose, because by definition all libertarians would be whack jobs.

Side: No

Just wondering how many Libertarians up-voted other Libertarians. Would a rational person do this just to keep from being labeled a whack job?

Side: No