Are all sects of Christianity corrupt, or just Catholicism?
I honestly don't know. I mean, throughout history, Catholics have been selling passage to heaven and shit like that. They also say don't have sex, but if you have had sex then just pray and G-d will forgive you. Well they are so freaking contradicting that it pisses me off! But I don't know anything about all the other sects of Christianity.
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They all say don't have sex... but if you do just pray,
the same for killing, raping, pedophilia, not using your turn signal when you see I could have gone had I known you were planning on turning, etc.
But corruption implies some overall scheme throughout the organization, most Protestants avoid the overall corruption as they are segmented, not that it doesn't exist though, just that it cannot exist on a global scale as it does with Catholicism.
At any rate, televangelists are about the biggest scam since we traded malaria ridden rugs for... pretty much the US.
1357 days ago | Side: All Sects
I'm not gonna say all sects. I mean, surely the Vatican is corrupt in many ways, and we do see those guys on TV saying if you make this guy a millionaire God will let you into Heaven.
But it's not JUST Catholicism. The way I see it, though, many sects of Christianity are not corrupt. They are for spiritual purposes.
1357 days ago | Side: More than Catholicism
All sects are corrupt by definition. Because religion is corrupt by definition: we know there's a God, we know his name, we know what he wants you to do, this is how to please him, do this! It is written! Say this when this happens, give us this and the 'lord' will be much pleased with you. Above is humanities biggest con; humanities greatest recipe of corruption; humanities oldest fallacy.
1356 days ago | Side: All Sects
The don't have sex before marriage was assumed, and in direct response to the description. And as little as I do know about Mormons, I'm almost positive praying for forgiveness when you mess up is part of it. Could be wrong. It hardly matters though, as the general point of my comment was that the points made in the description were not exclusive to Catholics, and are indeed practiced by just about every type of Christian out there.
fyi, just about every western religions says We say that we know how you can be happy and show people how. We can't (or think we can) force people to do anything. If you want to go have sex whenever with whoever you are free to do so, but you can't be a member of our church. So we don't limit anyones freedom.
Of course religions doesn't force anyone to do anything, yours or anyone else's... unless you live in the middle east somewhere.
And of course every religion says "you can be happy, here's how" which is why the pews are littered with ex-cons, drug addicts, and post-menopausal old ladies.
Preying on the week has been a cornerstone of every religion in history.
But yours is no different in general than the other sects of Christianity in that way.
The main differences, why I think Catholicism is the subject of this debate:
1. Not allowing the leaders of church's to marry tends to attract people who don't want to get married anyway, many of which happen to be pedophiles. Other Christian faiths don't have that problem so there is less of that type of corruption.
2. It's by far the richest and most organized Church in the world. So when there is corruption, it's a whole lot bigger.
But there's plenty of corruption in the Mormon church as well Jake. Just a few months ago one of the Mormon polygamist cults was busted, and that seems to happen every couple years or so.
1355 days ago | Side: All Sects
you're all just assuming that Catholics are evil. If we're all so against sex, wouldn't that be strangely like wanting no reproduction whatsoever and wishing for the world to end? Catholics believe and doing good for others and praying often. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you get serious help.
1354 days ago | Side: Not all sects and not catholicism
A break off of the original latter day saints
That's fine, but they still call themselves Mormons, from their perspective, they're just better ones... as is the perspective of every religion.
And at any rate, the point that there is some corruption in the Mormon church is still valid, I'm just stating the reasons Catholics seem to have more problems with corruption, and that naturally any religion no matter how big or small would by its nature have corruption. In fact, anything to some degree is corrupt, and I'd imagine any person.
1338 days ago | Side: All Sects
When you say "That's fine" do you mean you are admitting you are wrong and agreeing with me? (At least to some extent maybe?) Or are you just scared to admit you're wrong and felt obligated to post SOMETHING to make yourself feel better? I'm sorry if this sounds naive to you, but what do you mean? Because if you DO think I'm right, then all this typing I am about to do isnt really necessary.
I totally agree that all religions are deeply and inherently flawed... I did not question that aspect of your argument because I agreed with you, I just thought your point about the "polygamist cult" had some errors. I attended an LDS church for about 13 years, and there is a lot of shit goin on there I didnt like.
"That's fine, but they still call themselves Mormons, from their perspective, they're just better ones"
Does that justify you blaming the Fundamentalists AND the LDS, or any other break offs of the LDS?
Let me ask you this... do you think the Protestants should be blamed along with the Catholics for the pedophilia that is happening with certain Catholic authorities? Sure, Protestants dont CALL themselves the "Protestant Catholics", but they are a DIRECT break off from the Catholics, as Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints are to Latter Day Saints.
The LDS and FLDS have very similiar principles and values (as the Protestants and Catholics do, but each of these churches have grown apart overtime) . The LDS followers are led by Thomas Monson, as the FLDS followers are led by William Jessop. Should both of these leaders be blamed for practicing polygamy this day and age? Of course not. Thomas Monson DOES NOT PRACTICE IT, NOR does he tell the congregation to practice polygamy!
If I misinterpreted your argument, I am sorry. I had a hard time understanding your text.
1338 days ago | Side: All Sects
Alright. That in itself is a corruption of your religion. You argue that you must never do any of those things, then, just for the member fees, you tell people that have done those things you will be forgiven if you pray hard enough and donate enough money to the church.
1338 days ago | Side: All Sects
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1143 days ago | Side: All Sects
1. "That's fine" is an admission that you are correct, while at the same time trying to say that that is not the main point of the argument. However, you are correct on that point - just so there is no confusion. I really have no problem admitting I'm wrong.
2. By the same logic that one says that one cannot blame the entire LDS church for these fringe groups who call themselves mormons and live on polygamist compounds, one could say you cannot blame the entire Catholic church for the rampant child abuse.
Which is an argument.
But the title of the debate is "Are all sects of Christianity corrupt, or just Catholicism?"
It is setting the rules if you will, that one should consider the Catholic church corrupt for these actions.
Debatable, but I happen to agree. There seems to be something inherent in Catholicism that leads to this behavior more so than in other churches across the world. Hence corruption is a fair description.
One could say "Priests who rape kids aren't Catholic." Therefore it is not corruption in the Church.
Fine, some would agree, but it is changing the rules of the debate.
In a similar fashion, polygamist camps happen more often with the LDS church, or those who claim to be from this Church. Therefore, by the Catholic example, this too should be called a Mormon form of corruption. You do not see Catholic Polygamist compounds after all, why should rape be a Catholic corruption if only some Priests do it? If one argues this is Catholic corruption (which I agree it is) one cannot say polygamy is not simply because not every mormon does it. That's a ridiculous double standard.
Now granted the exact kind of ridiculous double standard I am used to from the religious of any particular faith, but a ridiculous double standard none the less.
For the record raping kids is worse. I'm not talking about worse though, I'm talking about corruption in Christianity, the subject of debate.
If as it seems Mormons practice polygamy more often then other religions, by the rules set in the title of the debate, it is a Mormon corruption.
That is what I'm trying to say.
3. If I misinterpreted your argument, I am sorry. I had a hard time understanding your text.
Happens all the time to me, don't worry about it.
1141 days ago | Side: All Sects
Even though there has never truly been a 'scientific' survey to prove it, common sense clearly indicates, that for at least the past two thousand years, Christianity has truly been the least hypocritical, the least self-opportunistic, the least corrupt out of the all the other religions. Literally hundreds of different exotic and exciting religious sects were freely available during the pre-Christian era of the Greco-Roman Empire. In fact, numerous historians have pointed out that the success of early Christianity was mainly due to the surprising love and affection exhibited by Church members towards anyone who needed a helping held or someone to talk to about the spiritual issues that bothered them. Christian love melted the heart of many a Pagan man or woman eventually reaching into the wealthier, upper class segments of Roman society, thus helping this new Jewish-based movement in its struggle to be legalized.This finally happened after the year 313 under Emperor Constantine, the first Emperor to become Christian.
People are not stupid. Christianity has lasted for nearly 2,000 years because of it enduring ability to avoid nepotism and corruption. It's miraculous ability to reform and reorganize itself. The very premise of this argument isn't just false. The assertion that Christianity is corrupt, meaning that compared to the other modern institutions, the Church just doesn't stand up to scrutiny is nothing, but the ignorant, foolish claim of a barely-educated, snot-nosed imbecile commonly known as Yankee Doodle. Whoever created this argument is a liar and they know it.
1061 days ago | Side: All Sects
NO! NO! NO! I am a Deciple of Christ Christian, and we don't judge. You could have raped people in the past, but as long as you wish to worship with us, participate in service, and repent, then we're fine with it.
ROFL. that reminded me of the big catholic brain wash thing obama was attacked for. why? well because hes symbol is obama.
1060 days ago | Side: All Sects
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1037 days ago | Side: All Sects
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817 days ago | Side: All Sects
What about the Mormons?
We don't say "don't have sex". We say get married, then have sex. Well actually, we don't tell people to do anything. That doesn't really make sense.
We say that we know how you can be happy and show people how. We can't (or think we can) force people to do anything. If you want to go have sex whenever with whoever you are free to do so, but you can't be a member of our church. So we don't limit anyones freedom.
We are pro self discipline so many people accuse us of saying: "you can't have fun!". That's not true.
1357 days ago | Side: a lot of sects
Well do all Catholics piss you off? Or just a few? Because your description made it seem like you just don't like Catholics because of the history of the religion. And the cases you stated are not extremely common. (except the selling of indulgences... in the middle ages).
Other than that, I have nothing to say because I don't know which sects are corrupt, but I felt that your description hurt my feelings. I happen to be Catholic, but I wouldn't consider myself "corrupt" or anything. I believe in abstinence until marriage or at least true love, and guess what? I'm still a virgin and open about it!
1355 days ago | Side: not an expert so no comment
The polygamist cult you are talking about isn't the latter day saints that Jake is involved with (I assume), you are talking about the fundamentalist latter day saints. A break off of the original latter day saints. Different religion/prophet. Totally seperate. The mormons banned polygamy quite a while ago.
1338 days ago | Side: All Sects
"In fact, anything to some degree is corrupt, and I'd imagine any person."
So you mean to say that the people running my church are not perfect? That's okay and quite true. Nobody is perfect.
But as far as the way the work in terms of running the church, I see no corruption there. So show me some proof of that instead of just being broad and saying any big organization is corrupt.
1336 days ago | Side: a lot of sects