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Are majority of the bible stories just copied from other religions

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Side Score: 83
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Side Score: 64
9 points

probably kind a like this debate is copied from other debates get a clue mac-not!

Side: Yes
6 points

The epic of Gilgamesh is the flood. It's from Sumarian mythology and is basically the literal same story nearly word fir word as noahs ark. Their whole god was taken frompast religions. Many god's before jesus were born on the 25th of December, to a virgin, of another god, did miracles, had 12 disciples, died or was killed, stayed dead for 3 days, ans rose from the dead to heaven. Examples: Horus from Egypt, Mithra from Persia. Also the dates are pagan. Example: Jesus is born on the 25th, the solstice. He's resurrected in spring during the rebirth of nature after the death of winter. Coincidence? I don't think so

Side: Yes
2 points

They probably got the concept of Goliath from Gilgamesh too.

Side: Yes
4 points

Wouldn't doubt it. The funny thing is, it's believed Satan was derived from Horus the Egyptian god that shares so many characteristics with Jesus.

Side: Yes
williambox22(14) Disputed
2 points

First of all, is telling the same story because it IS the same story. The fact of the matter is, just because the biblical account was (hypothetically) taken from the Sumerian mythology (and mythologies usually have some kind of basis in historical events, i.e. the Illyad and the Trojan War), does not mean that it is false. Also, another fun fact, EVERY culture in the world, no matter how isolated, has a flood myth. That in itself is strong proof for a global flood.

Secondly, Jesus is not your typical god. Most other gods in mythology hold strongly to their power and often use it as a means to an end, usually only degrading themselves to human bodies whenever they needed to directly communicate with other mortals or have relations with them. No other small "g" "god" has ever had a religion previously based on the return of that specific "god" in the form of roughly 40 separate prophecies written hundreds, if not thousands of years apart.

Thirdly, yes, the gods of many other religions were born on december 25th. However, Christmas day was placed on that date BECAUSE it was a pagan holiday and it was put in place to overshadow and outsource the celebrations of these previous holidays, most importantly, the Winter Solstice and the birthday of Mithra. Another fun fact, the earliest recorded placing of Jesus' actual birthday was May 20th as written by Clement of Alexandria.

Finally, the resurrection of Jesus follows the same pattern. Though it is known that he rose again AROUND Easter, in my knowledge, this is not the actual day of his resurrection, it is only CELEBRATED on this day, as established by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, to overshadow the pagan holidays previously established.

So, no. It's not a coincidence. The holidays commonly celebrated in today's culture were placed there on purpose to overshadow the previous pagan traditions.

Side: No
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
2 points

Exactly. They made them up to overshadow other religions. copy paste. Thats all it is

Side: Yes
5 points

Meh? Who the fuck cares?

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes the story of the great flood to name one.

Side: Yes
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Have you heard of the Tower of Babel?

Side: No
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
2 points

And that how does that refute my argument in any way?

Side: Yes
2 points

Mythologies say hey.

Hel, the Nordic goddess of the underworld.

The theory of a god, pretty much coming from EVERY religion/mythology.

Side: Yes
1 point

The stories of Jesus were all based on astrological metaphores. This is why dozens of religions across time and the world share so many similarites. The ancients had no way to understand the heavens other than the stars and Earths position relative to them.

Side: Yes

There could be some stories copied from other religions in the Bible.

Side: Yes
7 points

The Bible is composed of 66 parts, or books, written over a period of approximately 1,500 years (from about 1450 BC to about 90 AD) by over 40 different people. These writers were all different from each other. Some were rich, some poor, some young, some old. Some were priests, some prophets, one was a tax collector (Matthew), one was a doctor (Luke), a tentmaker (Paul), and a fisherman (Peter). Yet they all wrote about the same man who claimed to be God - Jesus Christ. On the surface, there might seem to be disagreement between the writers, but if you study deeper, you will find that they all agree about Jesus Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, the Bible, the end times, salvation, heaven, hell, etc.

Not all collections of religious writings can claim this feature. The Koran was entirely written through the revelations of one man, Mohummad. The Book of Mormon was entirely written through one man, Joseph Smith.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
3 points

And how does this have anything to do with the writers being copying stories from other religions?

Side: Yes
Jawkins20(140) Disputed
2 points

It signifies that the Bible is true and different than any other religions or their writings. It is God breathed He is the author, it proves the Bible is copied.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
3 points

hell

Ah you mean the hell they stole from Norse Mythology and slightly changed it?

Side: Yes
williambox22(14) Disputed
1 point

Different time periods. The norse version of Hel and the the Judeo-Christian Hell are most likely the same, but the Hell was a concept that existed long before the norse Hel and was probably influenced by the influx of christians during the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire during the reign of Emperor Constantine in the 6th century, which included the germanic lands from which many norsemen hailed.

Side: No
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
3 points

The Koran was written like 15 people in about 100 years...........................................................

Side: Yes
101kakashi(381) Disputed
0 points

not true, the Koran was descended from Allah to the prophet Mohammad who wrote it. and it was the same ever since and no one ever changed anything from it. They translated the Koran to english but those translations are not accurate and unfavorable. That is also why they say that if you want to read the Koran, you should read it in its original language "Arabic" because the translations they made to the Koran so people can understand it, do not give the correct concept since arabic words have different meanings and one change in any word's meaning, might cause an entire sentence to have a different meaning!

Side: No
2 points

I actually think that those stories that were not multiple perspectives viewing the same event were copying the Bible, or using it to further their agenda.

Do I have evidence for this? Not really. But I believe I'm correct, even if I can't properly explain the logical processes behind my decision all the time.

Side: No
2 points

No, because how do you know that a majority of other religions stories are copied form the bible?!?!?

Side: No
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
0 points

because the stories copied predates the bible.

Side: Yes
1 point

This is almost like asking.

So humans beings have thought, have feelings, emotions that just copy one another?

OR, do human beings have separate thoughts, other feelings, other emotions, unique to their being?

Side: No
1 point

No.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

So the bible didn't copy the story of the flood from Gilgamesh?

Side: Yes
Srom(12201) Disputed
1 point

Yes.

Side: No
timber113(796) Disputed
1 point

It doesnt necessarily mean the flood was copied. It just means that the flood occured and more than one people placed down different accounts on it. You're just assuming it was copied because someone wrote the book of Gilgamesh before it.

After reading from a site that seems impartial to me because it documented both sides of the argument, i'll place what it states.

Name of site: http://www.icr.org/article/noah-flood-gilgamesh/

"From the early days of the comparative study of these two flood accounts, it has been generally agreed that there is an obvious relationship."

"Dating of the oldest fragments of the Gilgamesh account originally indicated that it was older than the assumed dating of Genesis."

"However, the probability exists that the Biblical account had been preserved either as an oral tradition, or in written form handed down from Noah, through the patriarchs and eventually to Moses, thereby making it actually older than the Sumerian accounts which were restatements (with alterations) to the original."

The book he used to support his final point is O'Brien, "Flood Stories of the Ancient Near East", p. 64.

Side: No
1 point

NUP...BUT QURAN YES....................................................................

Side: No
1 point

First off, way to be understanding and sensitive of the issue at hand. Good job.

Secondly, according to this logic, all mankind has ever done is "copied" off one another. Everything we have, from language to technology to city planning has come from somewhere else.

Thirdly, haven't you ever heard Picasso?

"Good artists imitate, great artists steal."

Side: No
1 point

nope, if anything they copied stories from the bible. Actual findings dating further back then any other religion or story told have been found. Like the recent findings of the book of psalms. Even reasearchers who don't believe in God will admit that the stories are original and true.

Side: No
Thebluemoo(66) Disputed
1 point

Wrong. Judaism was around easily 1300 years before Christianity was even formed. I don't think your claims are right, since countless religions have existed before Christianity, including, but not limited, to: Judaism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Epicureanism, Jainism, Stoicism, Taoism, Hinduism and the other pagan religions. Many stories from the Bible are lifted from other books, notably the Epic of Gilgamesh (ripped off by Noah's Ark), Horus' birth from the Egyptian religion (ripped off by Jesus' birth), the Egyptian Book of the Dead (ripped off by the Ten Commandments), the Assyrian King Sargon's birth (ripped off by Moses' birth), and even Joseph from the Old Testament (ripped off by Jesus). Oh, and learn to spell "researchers".

Side: Yes
1 point

What! Almost all religions and mythologies have a Hell ( A place of eternal damnation.) or some sort of Heaven, and a god of all gods. For example in Egyptian after-life, when you die you travel to the Hall of The Dead and your heart is weighed against the feather of Ma'at, if your heart is lighter than the feather you lived forever, if it was heavier your heart was devoured by the demon Ammit the Destroyer. African After-life :They that are born are destined to die; and the dead to be brought to life again; and the living to be judged, to know, to make known, and to be made conscious that He is God, He the Maker, He the Creator, He the Discerner, He the Judge, He the Witness, He the Complainant; He it is that will in future judge, blessed be He, with whom there is no unrighteousness, nor forgetfulness, nor respect of persons, nor taking of bribes. Know also that everything is according to reckoning; and let not your imagination give you hope that the grave will be a place of refuge for you. For perforce you were formed, and perforce you were born, and perforce you live, and perforce you will die, and perforce you will in the future have to give account and reckoning before the King of kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.

Side: No
1 point

It's the other way around. Since God created man to begin with, a little over 6000 years ago, (the universe, however, is far older), it was the Bible "stories" that were copied by other religions. Other religions did not yet exist at the beginning of man's creation. But God began teaching man about him and his purposes for the earth at the outset.

Side: No
0 points

All stories in the Bible were all original. For the reason that Bible were created according to God's wisdom (from the creation to apocalypse) and not on human knowledge.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
3 points

How is Noah's flood original when it is copied from the Gilgamesh?

Side: Yes
timber113(796) Disputed
1 point

Stop saying that! You're just assuming because the gilgamesh predates the other. that is no hardcore evidence, because for all we know they're might be a piece of paper out there that archeologists havent found that predates gilgamesh

Side: No