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Governments are worse Muslim extremests are worse
Debate Score:51
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who's worse muslim extremists or governments in terms of mass killings?

Here I will provide you with the statistics for democide. (mass killings by government)

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM  (all time)

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM (20th century)

and the statistics for muslim extreamists.

 

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_%28Terrorism%29

 

You decide which is actually worse.

Governments are worse

Side Score: 25
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Muslim extremests are worse

Side Score: 26
3 points

The many many government backed atrocities will never match anything that any Muslim true or fake has ever done. Look at the Roman Empire who invented crucifixion, the worst way to die. Look at Stalin. Look at Hitler. People are varying views all united in hate. Oh, and look at George Bush Jr. who started bullshit wars based on torture, lies, bad intelligence, and daddy issues.

Side: Governments are worse
Nox0(1393) Disputed Banned
3 points

Islamist many time stated that they want to kill all non-Muslims that means that want to kill more than 5 000 000 000 people, they just aren't capable to so.

US, Russian, Chinese governments are separately capable of killing everyone on this planet in less that 40 minutes.

are you sure that government is worst one?

Side: Muslim extremests are worse
link6065(740) Disputed
2 points

Governments are guilty of stating that they want to reduce the worlds population to 500 million. I don't see your point. (when you are ready to actually debate the real issue here message me with an apology and a promise to stick to the issue we are debating and you will be allowed to return.) Also, there is nowhere near 5 trillion people on the earth.

Side: Governments are worse
3 points

Governments every time because they have the means, on Wednesday there were eight deaths due to drone bombings in Afghanistan and one death in Woolwich due to two Muslim extremists, also governments kill people more often than Muslim extremists eg: drone bombings in Afghanistan, using the armed forces to subdue the populace (Tianemen Square, Bloody Sunday to name two famous events)

Side: Governments are worse
2 points

Enlivening the debate with some videos. .

Democide commentary by alex jones
Side: Governments are worse
Nox0(1393) Clarified Banned
2 points

Do you seriously watch Alex Jones psycho tales, or it's a joke?

Side: Governments are worse
link6065(740) Disputed
2 points

It's not a joke and you are a misguided cretin. You cannot expect 1 photograph taken from facebook to have any real impact on the mans credibility. By all rights he's 1000x more credible then you. This video merely has him reading off the statistics. If you listen to both that video and actually look at the statistics I provided he wasn't wrong. You have been banned until you are ready to really debate this issue.

Side: Governments are worse
2 points

Overall Government, in the order I think is worst from worst being first on the list.

Government (power)

Money (money the means to power)

Religion (Religions the means to get money)

As for Alex Jones, this dude is a bag of half truths and flat out lye's, I followed him for a few years, it was only until I started to look into him then I saw he isn't what he claims to be, in the end he is a right wing Christian loony.

What got my attention was when I emailed him a few years ago as to why he never talks about the Zionist, I get perma ban from his you tube and blocked, that was the day I thought something was fishing, theory is he is on the Zionist payroll, I have no hard proof but after that and the things he said he lost all credibility with me.

Side: Governments are worse
link6065(740) Disputed
2 points

This isn't about Alex Jones. It's about the statistics. If you have complaints about Alex Jones take it up with him. I have him here reading out the actual statistics about this issue and it is completely relevant. You yourself are not 100% credible and unless you want to be taken seriously I suggest you give some leeway in this case. The video is spot on the numbers.

Side: Muslim extremests are worse
Warjin(1577) Disputed
3 points

I see what you are saying, not sure how accurate those statistics are seeing as how Alex loves to blow shit way out of proposition, as for my credibility, well the same can be said about anyone even you, but you are right I need to give some leeway in this case, I will try to find out how accurate those stats are, that's just my nature.

Side: Governments are worse
2 points

The governments are. The largest group of people the terrorists are responsible for is the twin towers. The governments are responsible for U.S. civil war; viliage in veitnam massacred; firing an atomic bomb at japan.

Goverments are worse; let alone the U.S. goverment!

Side: Governments are worse
1 point

same cause as the other side. .

Terrorism statistics resulting in death.
Side: Muslim extremests are worse
Nox0(1393) Banned
1 point

These two things cannot be really compared .

Side: Muslim extremests are worse
link6065(740) Disputed
0 points

Actually, they can. Merely saying they cannot doesn't make your claim true.

Side: Governments are worse
0 points

Government are worse at some point. But government can be temporary, for about 10 or 50 or 100 years.

But religion is different. the guide in the book is there as long as the religion lives and their Muhammad history is always seen as a "Idol act" by his followers. And there will be always among this followers follows what is guided in the book and what is done by their "Idol".

And this can go on forever. Proven by history, Muslim is the longest war mongering religion since their beginning. Part of their history is war and conquer and jihad to spread their belief.

And it is forever that their book will claim to be the best religion of all, and want it to stand as "the last man standing". It is claimed in their book to make Islam "stand".

Side: Muslim extremests are worse
link6065(740) Clarified
1 point

who's worse muslim extremists or governments in terms of mass killings?

Government are worse at some point.

This is is the only relevant thing you said to the debate.

and you are even on the wrong side.

But government can be temporary, for about 10 or 50 or 100 years.

Not that this is part of the debate but, I'm interested about where in history a country has ever gone without some form of government? (just for personal research)

Side: Governments are worse
1 point

Of course...Government will be always there.. but they way they govern differs depending who is leading or handling the governing matter. There will be good, there will be bad...depends.. what I mean is the good or bad is temporary depending who is the the ruling person as a person.

Side: Muslim extremests are worse
1 point

From Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. Islam its fullest form, it is a complete, total100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0..6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Is lam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burning of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

&n;bsp;Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

Understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

Side: Muslim extremests are worse
izazovnog(322) Clarified
2 points

Yes, good arguement, but it says 'muslim extremists' not muslims.

Side: Governments are worse
link6065(740) Disputed
0 points

With the evidence you provided would it not be safe to say islam is just another form of government?

That is covertly infiltrating already established countries and governments set to overthrow them?

and merely being disguised as a religion?

Side: Governments are worse
-1 points

Sorry... I know this can be biased but I live in a country where I live among Muslim. And once in a while, there will be churches burning... or car with jesus cross inside will be vandalized or burned. Of course not by the good muslim...it is done by the extremist. And mostly the church leader will push their follower to remain silent or not to bring that issue too much.

And I am not on anyone religion by the way.

Side: Muslim extremests are worse