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Are parents qualified to homeschool beyond grade school?

The youngest children who are still learning to read, write, add, etc, may be focusing on skills the average adult can probably provide.  But more complex subjects in high school, from advanced mathematics to chemistry to essay composition, are more specialized skills.

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High school material really isn't that difficult (especially American HS material). As long as you've completed HS yourself, I think you're qualified. Besides, there's a number of curricula that can be purchased online which the kids can use on their own - so they're basically on auto-pilot at that point. I remember a number of my HS teachers weren't what I'd call geniuses anyways.

Side: Yes
Grenache(6053) Disputed
1 point

If you think some of your high school teachers weren't geniuses then surely you've known other students and parents of those students who were far worse than your worst teacher.

Side: No
sceathers(155) Disputed
1 point

...then surely you've known other students and parents of those students who were far worse than your worst teacher.

No not really. I don't recall any massive "intelligence chasm" between the worst parent vs. the worst teacher. There were, of course, some blockhead students... but most of those were self-imposed, temporary stupidity I think.

Side: Yes
1 point

You and your parents are probably not qualified to homeschool, probably too dumb to guide a child in obtaining a high school diploma, but generally there is no reason parents cannot see to it that children at home earn their high school diploma showing they are competent in reading, writing, and arithmetic which is really all that should be asked for and it's wrong for government to force it on anybody.

Side: Yes
Grenache(6053) Disputed
3 points

Fascinating how you're already a saint but you instantly jump to insulting me and my family. You're no saint.

High school is far more than reading, writing, and arithmetic. What you describe is basically grade school. Did you drop out at 5th grade? You see, I can ask that without automatically being an @ss, because you demonstrate you have no knowledge of any modern high school subject matter from calculus to science to literature and composition.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You demonstrate that you are an idiotic punk who pretends to be smarty pants. It reflects on your parents. They failed miserably in teaching you respectful manners......in fact, they probably encouraged your schools to pump you up in pomp to be big headed and disrespectful.......and why do I keep thinking they are just like you?

Side: Yes
1 point

School teachers usually have a much worse comprehension of their subjects, than parents who specialise in those areas.

So, some parents can do a lot better job at this.

Anyway, maths and native language are the only really important skills to be learnt at school. So, if the parent knows maths, all they need to do is find a good private tutor in language (grammar e.t.c.) + encourage their kids to read serious books.

Side: Yes
2 points

Teachers learn pedogogy and sometimes specialize in science, english or what have you. That is if their aim was a teachng degree, there are other ways to be certified to teach such as doctorate of master degrees in some fields. Either way teachers are using a predesigned course to present to the students.

The teachers job is to present the course in such a way to engage the students in several different ways if needed and even further illuminate areas and parents may not have this background to pull from to aid them in teaching.

Even if a parent holds an advanced degree even in teaching students at stages requires different methods of teaching. Parents who homeschool for long periods have to also develope skills to match the age group they wish to teach, or at least they should if they want to help their childrens education. A highschool math teacher may not have the temperment nor desire to teach primary school maths or vice versa, parents just the same.

I would also hazard to guess that if a parent holds an advanced degree in maths, I doubt they also hold the same in sociology, physical education, biology, english and so on. While a parent might be able to teach a couple subjects well enough the whole spectrum of what is required is another story.

So are parents qualified to homeschool beyond gradeschool? I would say in general no because the parents have to wear many hats in areas they may not have much knowledge in.

Side: No
1 point

The two most obvious arguments critics of homeschooling make are that it's primarily to brainwash their kid in their own way, and that they miss out on the type of socialization they'll need when they do go out into the real world and finally have to deal with all the other people out there who were not homeschooled I agree with those by the way. Those are enough reasons by themselves to not do it. But let's look further...

1) The average adult may be educated in one subject but has only a surface knowledge or even no knowledge whatsoever in other school subjects. Even when it comes to professional teachers themselves, they may know math but really aren't qualified to teach English or history or even typing. Teachers may have a license in one area but literally have to take hours of extra classes to add on more specialties and more licenses. Yet homeschooling assumes Joe Sixpack can do everything a school faculty can do.

2) Most people, adult or child, who get removed from a formal structured environment, will do the bare minimum of what they need to be doing and/or will have maybe one or two areas they're genuinely working on but certainly not the scope you'd get in an actual school. I know adults who "work from home" some days of the week who basically just check their e-mail once in a while (working from home is a joke more often then not). I know kids who can manipulate their parents to fake doing things when they're not really doing anything. I know parents who have a million other things to do besides sit with their kid through what would be an entire school day making sure they're doing they're work.

3) Perhaps most importantly, there is virtually no check or balance on the damage a parent can inflict on their kids' education. Other than an occasional knowledge test by the State, the parent can completely warp that kid in every other way. In schools, you've got parent teacher conferences, school boards, auditors checking certifications, counselors, nurses, a whole village of people watching what everyone else is doing. At home you've just got a closed door and a none of your darn business what's going on inside. The lack of a check and balance indeed makes parents unqualified to just go it alone and educate how they see fit. There are mentally ill parents, criminal parents, delinquent parents, and simply big old loser parents, and any and every one of them could make a case to homeschool their kids.

In those cases where no actual school is present (such as they family lives remotely) then I get it. And in those cases where the kid is actively pursuing some sort of full time life enrichment (like they're already professional actors) then I get it. And even in those cases where there is serious risk your kid is going to die if s/he goes to your local school then I get it. But in reality, those are not most of the true reasons for homeschooling. Usually it's just an uptight set of parents who think they know better than pretty much the entire stinking world. And usually they don't. Usually they're just @holes and idiots.

Side: No
0 points

Well, I am answering "No" but I do not mean it to be an eteched-in-stone absolute answer.

As you did not provide for my true opinion to the question, which would be along the lines of..................

"Usually not. But sometimes. Rarely."

We just had a similar debate where the author asked if HomeSchooling should be totally outlawed.

And again, I answered in the negative, but added a caveat.

Which was.........I believe the parents wishing to Home School their children should have to take and pass an Competency Exam. Perhaps something along the lines of an SAT or ACT test, as we do to graduating high school seniors wishing to gain entrance into a college or University.

Ironically, it has indeed been my experience that the vast majority of parents who home school their kids, or want to in the future, or, well, idiots. Usually below average intelligence, and worse--are often Religious Fanatics.

Which I think is just as detrimental if not more so to a child/student than is a Home education by a parent of slightly below average intellect who is NOT a religious zealot.

To infuse a child with superstitious notions of a pretend sky god, as well as the fantasy Eternal Punishment that comes to the Unbeliever or the sinner, well, I consider this tantamount to Child Abuse. As well as Brain Washing.

But that is a bit off topic, I know. Thank you for indulging me on that.

This is a good Topic, BTW!

Thanks.

Side: No
Grenache(6053) Clarified
1 point

Fair enough, in fact I went back in and edited after with a paragraph about some scenarios where I can see doing it. I just don't think most of the time those other scenarios are the case.

Side: Yes