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Debate Score:133
Arguments:79
Total Votes:157
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Are th attacks on the Bible justified?

Yes.

Side Score: 43
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No.

Side Score: 90
2 points

The Bible is a book of absurdities , contradictions and bullshit , it's followers have used this rag to "justify" mass slaughter, racism , slavery and demonisation of minorities and others

It deserves to be mocked , criticised and attacked by rationalists worldwide

Side: Yes.
1 point

Show me.....................................................................................................................

Side: No.
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Here is one of hundreds of pieces of pure nonsense in the Bible .......

Elisha and the Two Bears (2 Kings 2:23-25)

23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

Side: Yes.
1 point

It deserves to be mocked , criticised and attacked by rationalists worldwide

Calm down, anti-Christ. Nothing deserves, in that sense, to be mocked or criticized. Everything should be, though. So you're right in a sense.

Side: No.
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

I’m very calm actually, the anti christ label is actually a compliment as the anti christ is a paragon of morality compared to the Christian god according to the Bible

I disagree I think a book who’s contents were and still are used as the “rationale” behind all sorts of injustices deserves it fully

Side: Yes.

School Shootings, opiate deaths all time high, suicide is up..

What is the church doing?!?

Worrying about gay marriages and silly bullshit

Fuck the church

Time to bury that old whore

Side: Yes.
1 point

I don't "attack the Bible", I defend against having it shoved up my ASS! I object to people using it to force ITS laws on others that have their OWN beliefs! I object to those who say I MUST believe what THEY believe … or I am a "sinner" … or worse! Keep your Book, and your beliefs, within your own cult and we will have NO problem.

On my own little "journey" to find what I COULD believe, I "tried" The Rosicrucian's, among others. Couldn't embrace them either, but, I give them credit, they keep to themselves, don't impose on others beliefs, and I never saw hypocrisy within the cult. Not so, Christianity, not so, Islam, not so Catholicism, etc.. I too find the Bible ….. weird, to be "nice" about it. Believe it if you want. I know, and have met, many really GOOD Christians. I have met, or communicated with, MORE not-so-good, highly hypocritical, CYA Christians than, what I would consider "good ones"! That's ONE reason I couldn't be one. Another is, their Book, written by men who would control "the masses" with it, is not "justified" as the WORD of any "god".

As Mark Twain described it: "It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it and some clever fables, some blood drenched history and some good morals, a wealth of obscenity and upwards of a thousand lies."

Thomas Edison: "All Bibles are man made."

Thomas Jefferson: "Question with boldness even the existence of God; Because if there is one, He must approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."

Today, science and knowledge leans more toward reason, yet thousands still live in blindfolded fear. Their choice, leave ME mine.

Side: Yes.
2 points

Yes, yes. I'm so glad that the Marxist progressives don't ever try to shove their beliefs down peoples' throats. But seriously, if you want progressivism shoved down your throat, well, just watch the media, go watch Hamilton, a movie, or go to school. You'll be fed an endless stream of progressive propaganda.

Side: No.
DMX2(1) Disputed
2 points

Could you please specify what these lies are.*

Side: No.
1 point

Freedom of religion and speech are rights. If you don't like it, leave the conversation.................................................................

Side: No.
1 point

Yes and no.

Let me ask you in all honesty to start with a blank slate. Say someone comes up to you and holds a book in their hand called Aesop's Religion. It has fabulous stories told as a multiple person narrative and not an auto-biography, often the stories are about past events and not written as they happen. This person holds this book and says it teaches of morals, love, acceptance, forgiveness in the second part but also to fear, condemn, and kill in the first part....but no one really pays mind to the first part as it's the second that we need to pay attention to. This person also admits that people have killed, condemned and ridiculed others in the name of this book and its teachings, then also admits that the book is open to interpretation since it was written at a time where the language was very different and had alternate meanings.

So with all this you know that:

1. Aesop's Religion has a book that was written by multiple people who are writing from memory.

2. The first part is negative, the second part is positive and even though people believe in the first part they want to pretend it didn't exist so they can point to the positive.

3. People have cherry-picked the parts they want to follow if it suits their own agenda.

4. It is open to interpretation. Countless people have written and re-written this book and valuable teachings may have been lost in translation or omitted completely.

Could you, knowing this, take the book and follow it completely without any grains of salt? Would you believe a mouse truly saved a lion? Or would you take the morals and leave the fluff?

The attacks are justified when people take the bible at its word and use it to hurt others.

Side: Yes.
AlofRI(2815) Clarified
1 point

Points 3 and 4 are EXACTLY the problem with the Bible. That, and, it seems to me after 80+ years of watching the world, that BOTH are works of fiction.

Hey. I don't REALLY care what YOU believe. I encourage you to follow your beliefs. Just don't try to run OUR country with beliefs that only about (or less than half), the population believes … counting the thousands that are TRULY CYA Christians ONLY! Another acronym for CINO, and you KNOW they are out there, by the thousands. COEXIST.

Side: Yes.
Mint_tea(4061) Clarified
2 points

I truly believe religion has a place in our society. I've seen people do some amazing things with it, that's not to discount all the negative but it truly is inspirational to see a group of people hold out their hands to help others up who they would not usually associate with.

. Just don't try to run OUR country with beliefs that only about (or less than half), the population believes

This is what politics is though. Even in its most rudimentary division, half our country believe in Republican values and the other half believe in Democratic. Again this doesn't even come close to take into account third party and independents.

I do agree that co-exist should be a philosophy that is taught but we are all fairly guilty of using our beliefs, be it political or religious, to try to run the country. That being said, when certain beliefs are a detriment to society....not vaccinating your kids, not believing in medical assistance because religion (God) will provide, not allowing homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals....that's a problem.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Another acronym for CINO, and you KNOW they are out there, by the thousands. COEXIST.

It's incredible to watch the tolerant left desire to coexist with MS-13, Hamas, Farrakhan, jihadists, criminals, everyone...just not little old ladies who go to church each week and commit no crimes...

Side: Yes.
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
0 points

Crazy Al should the Government just do away with the Christian religion but not the Muslim religion ????

Side: No.
0 points

Just don't try to run OUR country

Apply this logic to Progressivism.

with beliefs that only about (or less than half), the population believes …

Or over 70%...

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

Side: No.

I say no. I was almost murdered, and holding a Bible gave me hope. The Bible offers Jesus risen from the dead.

Side: No.
seanB(748) Disputed
1 point

The attacks on the bible have nothing to do with you. They have everything to do with the proposterousness of the things the bible says.

Side: Yes.
Balrog(64) Disputed
3 points

I continue to debate atheists. Still haven't met one that even knows the fundamentals of the Bible.

Side: No.
FromWithin(7669) Disputed
1 point

You want to talk about preposterous?

The Democrat Party supports No restriction abortions!!!!

That means there is not a viable unborn Baby alive, at any stage, that the Democrat Party is willing to protect.

That's not only preposterous, it is barbaric!

If you elect these extremists, you have blood on your hands.

Side: No.
1 point

Such as? Prove it or lose it...............................................................................................

Side: No.
1 point

They have everything to do with Jesus Christ and His Christians, whom the world hates. Seriously, what is wrong with Jesus? Why hate Someone like that?

Side: No.

The Bible promotes a clean lifestyle that is designed to eliminate diseases, plagues, and sickness.

The Bible is against Committing BLOOD CRIMES.

Blood Crimes endanger others and cause widespread sickness, plagues, diseases and death by whom You infect and to Your future children. In the days of the Bible, there were no cures, no medicine, no doctors, no treatment and no technology.

Once You get a disease You are doomed to suffer a lifetime of pain, agony, and suffering from no way out until You die of a slow, long and horrible unimaginable death.

This is why the Bible is very strict about BLOOD CRIMES.

Their blood is upon them........ Deathly consequences.

Side: No.
3 points

The Bible promotes a clean lifestyle that is designed to eliminate diseases, plagues, and sickness.

It promotes frightening people into believing that if they do not obey a myth then they will be punished with all the things you just listed. The Bible is not a substitute for medicine bronto, you psychopathic nutball.

Do you pray to God when you get sick? Or do you simply go to the doctor like everyone else?

Side: Yes.
5 points

Pray to God. I'm still alive. Isn't that a daisy?*

Side: No.
1 point

if you don't like the bible and what it teaches cool, no one is forcing you. but that doesn't mean you attack something some people believe in and diminish it like its nothing that's not nice. and i understand that some of you on here hate it when they shove it down your throat and say 'You're going to hell if you don't believe' because in honest truth that's not okay. My friend does that and i tell her if you really want people to start believing stop threatening them. That would only make people hate it and push it away further, but sadly, this is what some Christians do. its sad because instead of drawing in more people you are making them despise the thought of Christianity as some people here do. And its not only some Christians who do this, i feel the LGBT community do this as well. they shove themselves in your face all the time! I cant watch TV with seeing two men making out. They push it everywhere they can and if you don't like it or want to complain e.g: I want to watch common t.v without these people making out every 5 minutes, you are labeled ''homophobic'' to be honest i don't really care what you are, what you believe in or what you do. but if i have to hear about it every 2 seconds, or it is getting pushed to me, bottom line is, I WILL GET SICK OF IT. So, apologies for everyone who got told they were wrong or are going to hell because you aren't please don't let that make you hate the Bible because its not being represented right.

Side: No.
1 point

If you don't like it that's your problem, just don't spoil it for others.

Side: No.

Hello.

Remember - - The U.S. Senate, in its investigations, has concluded that some 35 to 45 million people have been killed in the Atheist Soviet Union,

and between 34 and 63 million people in Atheist China.

Karl Marx The Atheist, developed his own Communistic theories said - " "In simple truth, I harbor hate 'against all the Gods" .........

Friedrich Engels was one of Marx's greatest personal supporters, He stated that, as a result of the discovery of laws of the Communism, "the last vestige of a Creator external to the world is obliterated"

Nikolai Lenin was the founder of the Communist Party. He led the revolution that established Communism in Russia, then became the first premier of the Communist regime. Lenin, who was also an atheist, He said: "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism" ..... "Every religious idea, every idea of god, even every flirtation with the idea of God, is unutterable vileness."

Nikita Khrushchev, premier of Atheist Russia from 1958 to 1964, stated: - "We, Communists ... are atheists ... Public education, the dissemination of scientific knowledge, and the study of the laws of nature leave no place for belief in God ... We consider that belief in God contradicts our Communist outlook"

The Russian Encyclopedia (1950) lists: "God - a mythical invented being ... and [Communism] is incompatible with belief in God and [Communism] arose and developed in an acute and constant struggle with religion".

The "Ten Commandments of Communism," published for the Young Communist League, says: "If you are not a convinced atheist, you cannot be a good Communist ... Atheism is indissolubly bound to Communism."

https://www.gospelway.com/religiousgroups/marxism.php

The FACT is that China is an officially a total atheist state government, which has promoted atheism throughout the country. In April 2016, the General Secretary, Xi Jinping, stated that members of the Communist Party of China must be "unyielding Marxist atheists".... while in the same month the Atheist government officials ran over Chinese Christians murdering them as they peacefully protested the demolition of their church.

The North Korean government is State Atheism. Re-education camps in North Korea were mandatory, 1,500 churches were destroyed during the rule of Kim Il Sung from 1948 to 1994..... In the late forties, when 166 priests and religious were killed or kidnapped," which includes the Roman Catholic bishop of Pyongyang, Francis Hong Yong-ho.[108] On November 2013, the repression against religious people led to the public execution of 80 people, some of them for possessing Bibles.

North Korea is an atheist state government "North Korea maintains a state-enforced atheism". North Korea leads the list of 50 countries in which Christians are persecuted the most at the current time. It is currently estimated that more than 50,000 Christians are locked inside concentration camps because of their Christian faith, where they are systematically subjugated to mistreatments such as unrestrained torture, mass-starvation and even imprisonment and death by asphyxiation in gas chambers.

This entails that 20% of the Christian community in North Korea live in concentration camps.

The number of Christians being murdered for their faith seems to be increasing as times goes by because in 2013 the death toll was 1,200 and in 2014, this figure doubled rendering it to close to 2,400 martyred Christians. North Korea has earned the top spot 12 years in a row.

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Bolsheviks undertook a massive program to remove the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church from the government .... and promoting atheism. Tens of thousands of churches were destroyed or converted to other uses, and many members of the clergy were murdered, publicly executed and imprisoned for what the government termed "anti-government activities." An extensive educational and propaganda campaign was launched in order to convince people, especially children, and youths, to abandon their religious beliefs. This persecution resulted in the intentional murder of 500,000 Orthodox Catholics.

The Atheist Khmer Rouge regime was one of the most brutal in recorded history, it is estimated that the Khmer Rouge executed over 1.38 million people. Just Disease and starvation alone killed as many as 2.5 million people as a direct result of Atheist Khmer Rouge rule. The Atheist Khmer Rouge regime actively persecuted religious Buddhists during their reign from 1975 to 1979. Buddhist institutions and temples were destroyed and Buddhist monks and teachers were killed in large numbers. .......... A third of the nation's monasteries were destroyed along with numerous holy texts and items of high artistic quality. 25,000 Buddhist monks were massacred by the regime, which was officially an atheist state. The persecution was undertaken because Pol Pot believed that Buddhism was "a decadent affectation". He sought to eliminate Buddhism's 1,500-year-old mark on Cambodia. ... All Religion was also banned.

The Atheist Vladimir Ilich Lenin between 1917 to 1920 had 30,000 people murdered.

there is no comparison between the number of religious People who killed people for being Atheists and the number of ATHEISTS who have murdered millions of people for their faith in a deity and God.......There is not even a fraction small enough to compare the difference................ TRUE there have been many people who use religion as a tool to kill other religions people that they seek to control and overpower --- HOWEVER - the persecution of Atheists by Christians or religious people is not even a blip on the screen to even calculate in any substantial amount. it simply has never existed in any scale large enough to be recorded as genocide.

In fact, Atheists have targeted Christians and Religious peoples in massive scales. People who believe in a deity have never gone after Atheists in any capacity to be recorded as a major event

However, Atheists have butchered and murdered and raped and destroyed religious people at such a fast rate and high amount that it cannot even be calculated..... The persecution of religious people by other religious people is a horrible, terrible act where religion was used as a tool - The BIBLE DOES NOT COMMAND - to seek other people of other religions and faiths and to kill them. This is a CATHOLISLAMIC plan to destroy the Biblical Christians and Jews.

And the fact that Muslims, Catholics, and Atheists have joined up with one another - in murdering and slaughtering Biblical Christians and Jews - does not hide the murderous acts of the Atheist community to destroy Biblical Believers.

Never has The Bible condoned attacking others who believe different theologies than You concerning the origins of life.

Side: No.
1 point

Remember - - The U.S. Senate, in its investigations, has concluded that some 35 to 45 million people have been killed in the Atheist Soviet Union

and between 34 and 63 million people in Atheist China

Lol. Fuck off bronto, you retarded little moron.

This is literally Bronto "logic":-

A) Lots of people in the USSR have blue eyes.

B) Lots of people died in the USSR. Therefore:-

C) Lots of people died in the BLUE-EYED Soviet Union, because of BLUE EYES.

If you are stupid enough to believe there is any connection between Stalin and Mao killing people and their identity as atheists then by all means show us proof that they killed people because they were atheists. Otherwise stfu you annoying little retard.

Also, Stalin was a fucking Catholic and an ordained Jesuit priest!!

https://www.perdurabo10.net/stalin-the-priest.html

Side: Yes.
5 points

"Stalin was raised devout in the Greek Orthodox Church. His parents hoped he would become a priest. He became a religion-suppressing atheist instead.

Stalin was a Marxist with his own slant on the philosophy, a slant he used to justify the killing of millions of Russians."

https://hollowverse.com/Joseph_Stalin

Side: No.
4 points

Stalin was an Atheist. Reciting his childhood won't help you here.

"Ideologically committed to the Leninist interpretation of Marxism, Stalin helped to formalise these ideas as Marxism–Leninism while his own policies became known as Stalinism."

"Stalin's government promoted Marxism–Leninism abroad through the Communist International and supported anti-fascist movements throughout Europe during the 1930s, particularly in the Spanish Civil War. In 1939 it signed a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany, resulting in their joint invasion of Poland."

"Widely considered one of the 20th century's most significant figures, Stalin was the subject of a pervasive personality cult within the international Marxist–Leninist movement, for whom Stalin was a champion of socialism and the working class."

"Stalin has retained popularity in Russia and Georgia as a victorious wartime leader who established the Soviet Union as a major world power. Conversely, his totalitarian government has been widely condemned for overseeing mass repressions, ethnic cleansing, hundreds of thousands of executions, and famines which caused the deaths of millions."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JosephStalin

Side: No.
3 points

"He had few material demands and lived plainly, with simple and inexpensive clothing and furniture;[694] his interest was in power rather than wealth."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JosephStalin

"Other historians have argued that Stalin's brutality should be seen not as a result of any personality traits, but through his unflinching commitment to the survival of his socialist state and the cause of international socialism.[743] By the period of glasnost and perestroika, Soviet psychologists were openly debating whether Stalin had been insane.[744]"

"People who knew him, such as Khrushchev, suggested that he had long harbored negative sentiments toward Jews,[785] and anti-Semitic trends in the Kremlin's policies were further fueled by Stalin's struggle against Trotsky.[786] After Stalin's death, Khrushchev made the claim that Stalin hinted that he should incite anti-Semitism in the Ukraine, allegedly telling him that "the good workers at the factory should be given clubs so they can beat the hell out of those Jews."[787] In 1946, Stalin allegedly said privately that "every Jew is a potential spy."[788] Conquest stated that although Stalin had Jewish associates, he promoted anti-Semitism."

Side: No.

Firstly,

Please allow me to eXplain a couple of the stories in whole.

Beginning with the story concerning the man who was gathering sticks on the Sabbath.

Concerning the man who was stoned to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath was directly related to the incidences of rotting and contaminated foods that were occurring by people who were rebelling and making food that was a health hazard.

This is why they were to not cook on the Sabbath in the first place.

And this is the beginning of the Sabbath Law and the first time that the Sabbath was mentioned in the Bible. The Sabbath Law was set up because of this very reason. Also, the stoning of the man gathering sticks on the Sabbath was a one-time event that was done because of the existing conditions that the Israelites were under as they were facing massive starvation and poisonous, rotting foods.

Exo 16:3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

Moses then gave a solution for preventing the starving and food shortage problems - However many of them refused to listen to Moses. Making the problem spread to more people.

Exo 16:20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses, but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.

21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.

22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe, and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

This Hebrew word """ worms, """" here in Exo 16:20* Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms,, and stank:

This is a Hebrew word associated with a deathly effect that occurs wherein the food is poisonous and dangerous to eat. The man who was stoned - was obviously a rebel, violator and a disruptor who was trying to rebel against the solution that Moses and the congregation had established for a solution for the starvation and rotten, poison food supply that was being wasted by people who tried to proceed with actions that brought about problems that threatened many, many other peoples lives as the food was scarce, people were beginning to starve from hunger and there are people cooking too much at a time and wasting massive amounts of food and creating starvation and toxic, rotten poisonous food supplies.

This was all explained. Everything is explained. in the Bible in detail.

If they are FACTUAL EVENTS or not - has no bearing, relevance or connection to the fact that it is attempted to be justified completely - as a life and death situation.. If You read the whole Bible and all of the details You will fully understand that they were starving to death. as it says. After studying this account in depth I have found that the Bible does never justify and detail demands for the death penalties and harsh punishment actions for the sake of exacting control on the masses of citizens under a church and state.

In fact, there is not a single stoning or punishment recorded in the 4,000 + years of recorded history for sodomy, adultery, bestiality or even worshiping other gods or idols. The Bible does not detail and condone the attacking of neighboring civilizations and slaughtering them over land, territory or for riches and wealth and vengeance.

The Bible explains every single last detail of every single commandment, decision, and action in all cases throughout the manuscripts. And it records the problems that breaking the laws had caused and the diseases, plagues, problems that were created by breaking these laws down to the last detail.

My faith in whether or not the details are true does not change the fact that EVERY SINGLE LAST event concerning the punishments was pertaining to these type examples ..

Such as - Here in the book of Num 25:9 the bible says that " And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. "

Num 25:1 And Israel abode in SHlTTIM, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.

2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.

3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.

4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.

6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation and took a javelin in his hand.

8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague stayed from the children of Israel.

The Bible is very clear.

9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. "

The Midianites and Moabites were bringing plagues, sickness, and diseases and unclean infected foods into the Hebrew camps and they were following the other god.

ALWAYS in the Bible the term " Following the other gods '" always referred to and included the practices of the dangerous activity that was killing and infecting and killing thousands of people at a time and the god of the Bible was stopping the plagues and diseases by ordering the killing and removal of those who knew what they were doing was wrong and who were spreading the plagues and diseases and murdering their fellow citizens.

There were no cures, no medicines, no doctors or prescriptions and surgeries.

Also 1 Corinthians 10:8

We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. !

Numbers 16:48 He stood between the living and the dead, and the plague was halted.

Numbers 16:49 But those who died from the plague numbered 14,700, in addition to those who had died on account of Korah.

This was done to stop starvation as the rebels were trying to cook too much food and it was rotting, poisonous and full of stink and worms. In an emergency when Moses was trying to control the food rations and slow down the amount of food being cooked and prepared -the man was stoned because He was ignoring the congregation who was suffering and trying to proceed full ahead with the rebels who were not listening to Moses who had offered a SOLUTION to STOP people from starving to death in this time period.

Side: No.