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Are the Majority of Atheists as jerkish as they are stereotyped?
Having met, befriended, argued with, and loved atheists before I am coming to the conclusion that it is TRUE that the MAJORITY of Atheists out there are ass-holes. I've had MANY friends that are atheists, I've had a boyfriend who's an atheists, and I have had enemies who are atheists as well. And so far, the more I explore into the community, the more I'm getting the immpression that the vast majority are jerks.
Is this occurance strange or common to other people.
First of all: believing in something for reassurance isn't a question of intelligence more than a question of either how courageous they are, or how self-encouraging.
Second: It's hard to measure intelligence really. It's based too much on how much on many things.
Third: Intelligence however can include the ability to think abstractly Christians certainly are thinking abstractedly if your ides of God not existing are correct, AND emotional intelligence is also a part of it, and religion also has a bit part int he emotional attachment.
Forth: there is such a thing as an idiot atheist... I've met em.
Of course they are jerks, smug in a belief where they can belittle those who have the courage to act on faith. They have no faith in themselves and act accordingly.
Your wrong here .......many are smug, but so are some people of faith. You say they have no faith in themselves.....I say thats all they have faith in......themselves. They make up their own rules and morals....which are relative. Oh they have a lot of faith but its in themselves.
I won't dispute your first sentence as I agree that Atheists and people of religion can be equally as smug. It seems there are jerks on both sides of the debate. However just because Atheists and Agnostics (throwing that in because I see myself as Agnostic) aren't religious does not mean they only have faith in themselves. We have faith in family, friends, the good of society and the world. We're not narcissists who only believe and care for ourselves. My loyalty lies with my family. In fact I have little faith in myself and what I can accomplish.
You have a daughter do you not? And you say you have little faith in yourself. You told me you were a good mother did you not?
Good mothers have to have faith in the decisions they make. You do it because you love her, right? You watch her back everywhere she goes....and you make decisions for her based on the knowledge of the world you possess. This is having faith that you can raise her...to be a wonderful woman, a productive member of society. How can you say you have little faith?
I did not mean to impy that agnostics ...atheists dont have faith in family and friends....I am sure they do. I am talking more on a moral level....if your a teacher and you do not set rules for your classroom....you will have a room full of wild kids probably. Kids with a million different ideas of what they might want to do. They will make up their own rules. Who knows what rules...but each making them according to what they want. It would be chaotic..if there were not rules so that the entire class could function. That is how I see the world if atheists/even agnostics were to rule it. Everyone running around doing what they find moral. And if you believe in body sovereignty...that people have that right...then how could you tell anyone what they were doing was wrong? Various cultures around the world even disagree with what is right and wrong. And they base it on what? Who gets to decide? Society? Abortion was once immoral.....was the culture at that time wrong? Slavery was once deemed ok. Was that society wrong? What right did the North have to stop them? I believe everything is solved if we believe that God has our best interests at heart...we would all be on the same page.
Being a Mother is just a small part of my accomplishments and is the only thing I'm truly proud of. Of course every mother has doubts as to whether they're doing a good enough job. Just because I'm a good mother doesn't mean I don't doubt myself. I do have little faith. In my career, in my education, in my appearance, in my health. Just because I believe I am doing a good job with my daughter doesn't mean I have faith in my entire character and decisions.
But the rules of Atheism and Agnosticism are not just made up jargon. We abide by rules, a little thing called the law (well for the most part anyway). We don't go round saying 'hey you know what, I'm going to make rape okay in my set of morals. Maybe tomorrow I'll add in theft and bullying! Who cares because I don't follow God's rules I just make up morals and break the law because I'm such a terrible person, woo!'
There's a massive part you're missing from your argument which is why most of what you're saying is disregarded. Things are legal and things are illegal based on what is viewed by a majority as acceptable. Regardless of being religious or not most people abide by the law. Which sets the standards for Religion and Atheists alike. I am struggling to see why you perceive Atheists and Agnostics as people who believe EVERYTHING is absolutely fantastic! You have morals outside of your religion do you not? The Bible promotes slavery, do you follow that part? If not then aren't you making up morals for yourself? Isn't that hypocritical?
But why should we believe that God has our best interests at heart? I certainly don't. Stoning gays, forcing rape victims to marry their rapist, condemning good people to burn in hell for petty reasons. No thanks, it's not for me.
You say you disregard what I say? You seem to always address everything however so don't get your point there.
I did not say that all atheists are bad people. I am saying that morality is subjective for them. So for example marriage is between one man and woman so say the scriptures...they would believe what they feel is right. Homosexual sex is wrong so say the scriptures...an agnostic would decide based on their idea of what is moral. They make up the rules. They don't believe in moral absolutes and neither do you...as you said society decides what is moral. So if society said slavery was ok which it was at one time its ok...if society says abortion is ok its ok....that also was illegal at one time as well. hey in Muslim countries honor killings are ok. Should we honor that custom in America? REad this poem...it is an excellent example of what I am trying to get at.
Creed by Steve Turner
We believe in Marxfreudanddarwin.
We believe everything is OK
as long as you don't hurt anyone,
to the best of your definition of hurt,
and to the best of your knowledge.
We believe in sex before during
and after marriage.
We believe in the therapy of sin.
We believe that adultery is fun.
We believe that sodomy's OK
We believe that taboos are taboo.
We believe that everything's getting better
despite evidence to the contrary.
The evidence must be investigated.
You can prove anything with evidence.
We believe there's something in horoscopes,
UFO's and bent spoons;
Jesus was a good man just like Buddha
Mohammed and ourselves.
He was a good moral teacher although we think
his good morals were bad.
We believe that all religions are basically the same,
at least the one that we read was.
They all believe in love and goodness.
They only differ on matters of
creation sin heaven hell God and salvation.
We believe that after death comes The Nothing
because when you ask the dead what happens
they say Nothing.
If death is not the end, if the dead have lied,
then it's compulsory heaven for all
excepting perhaps Hitler, Stalin and Genghis Khan.
We believe in Masters and Johnson.
What's selected is average.
What's average is normal.
What's normal is good.
We believe in total disarmament.
We believe there are direct links between
warfare and bloodshed.
Americans should beat their guns into tractors
and the Russians would be sure to follow.
We believe that man is essentially good.
It's only his behaviour that lets him down.
This is the fault of society.
Society is the fault of conditions.
Conditions are the fault of society.
We believe that each man must find the truth
that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly.
The universe will readjust. History will alter.
We believe that there is no absolute truth
excepting the truth that there is no absolute truth.
We believe in the rejection of creeds, and the flowering of individual thought.
"Chance" a postscript
If chance be the Father of all flesh,
disaster is his rainbow in the sky,
and when you hear
State of Emergency!
Sniper Kills Ten!
Troops on Rampage!
Whites go Looting!
Bomb Blasts School
It is but the sound of a man worshiping his maker.
You say you disregard what I say? You seem to always address everything however so don't get your point there.
Big fat lie number 256 (estimate). I said you're missing the moral ground that almost everyone abides by, law which is why your argument as to why we 'make all our morals up' is disregarded. In fact let me quote:
There's a massive part you're missing from your argument which is why most of what you're saying is disregarded
Note the word most making an appearance there too. Don't take my words out of context.
I did not say that all atheists are bad people. I am saying that morality is subjective for them
You did not answer my question. If your moral ground is based on the Bible then why do you, and many other Christians, disregard things (slavery, sexism, stoning). That is making up your own moralities and is in no way different to me deciding that I accept sex out of wedlock and homosexuality.
Homosexual sex is wrong so say the scriptures...an agnostic would decide based on their idea of what is moral. They make up the rules
Forcing a woman to marry her rapist is the right thing to do, so say the scriptures. You disagree based on your idea on what is moral. You make up the rules! I don't do double standards.
as you said society decides what is moral. So if society said slavery was ok which it was at one time its ok.
Society dictates to you and I today that slavery is wrong. But the Bible promotes it. Why have you disregarded it from the Bible? Because you also base morals on society. Again, I don't do double standards.
The poem was boring on many levels. And patronizing.
The one who sounds the smuggest in this whole debate is you.
You know, I can't even tell if you're posting your genuine opinions, or if you treat CD as one massive trollfest. Your accusations apply so well to yourself that I often wonder if your hypocrisy is intentional.
I'm sort of expecting you to roll out a "lulz trolled" anytime now.
I agree that "troll" is one of the most overused and abused words on the internet... but if you hang around CreateDebate for a couple of months, you'll get to see many more of this guy's posts. And you'll see that most of them are so mindlessly rude that they're comical.
Instead of accusing me of having no intelligent defence, perhaps you should take a look at all those previous arguments between us where you did not have any defence whatsoever. (See, another instance of your hypocrisy.) I've lost count of the number of arguments where you chose to walk away when things got uncomfortable rather than reply to me.
I'll entertain your accusation that I did not provide an intelligent reply when you decide to provide me with any sort of reply, intelligent or otherwise, to those arguments.
P.S. You should consider rewriting your first sentence. "I've noticed time and time again that one is deemed a troll when one has no intelligent defense" will be taken to mean that I deemed you a troll because you have no intelligent defence, or alternately that you deemed me a troll because I have no intelligent defence. I presume your intended meaning, however, is that I deemed you a troll because I have no intelligent defence :P
Writing comes in many styles; Which is correct? Is Shakespeare wrong? If this be the case; Why teach it in English classes?
I suggest you read Cat's Eye by Margret Atwood (It and many of her books have been on the NY Times best seller list). This book even has sentence fragments in it. I had to read this book for an English class at Ohio State University and some how you know more than those teach, have written and write. Who would have guessed that the all knowing would be found on-line, God does exist.
Go ahead and list those things I have not answered. I am guessing the answer is there, I have never walked away or ran from anything. CD Awards, Bravest Contender
It's not about style; it's about clarity. Using "one" twice like that leads readers to believe that both instances refer to the same person. No matter what your personal writing style is or even what language you're writing in, you're supposed get your intended meaning across, so pointless ambiguity is undesirable. This isn't an important issue, and I don't go around grammar Naziing every blooper on the site or even in my own posts... but your sentence was a little amusing to read due to its ambiguity, so I pointed it out.
I'm surprised you've forgotten all the debates involving us that you have prematurely backed down from :/ I only took a cursory glance through my waterfall, so I may have missed out debates here and there, but what I have found is enough to support my point.
If you had ignored just one or two debates, that could be explained away as the result of that weird bug with the alerts system that doesn't show all your replies. But considering how you seem to have left every single debate between us dangling unfinished, I don't think the website is to blame. You won Bravest Contender because you keep posting even though lots of people hate you, not because you see through arguments to the end.
Peekaboo, In your first example there is nothing to dispute since the only thing said, he hasn't been here long.
In your second example you only attacked my style of writing and not what was said. The debate was not about how I write and I generally avoid off topic subjects.
Your third example; I did not see any reason to continue reading your whines, so I didn't bother to do so.
(1) You made an accusation, I argued that it was unfounded... and you consider there to be nothing to dispute over?
(2) The debate topic is abuot upvotes and downvotes, and specifically mentioned you as someone who gets downvoted a lot. In my post I explained (upon your challenge, too!) why, in my opinion, your posts draw downvotes so often. That is hardly off-topic.
(3) In this debate I first challenged you to elaborate on your stance, then acknowledged that I had misunderstood your original post, then asked two questions, which you did not answer. I don't see where any whining at all came in, let alone enough whining that might reasonably get you annoyed enough to ignore my posts.
And how about debates 4, 5, and 6, which you also provided no responses for?
I would explain how each of those six examples are most certainly arguable, whether or not they are opinions (e.g. "Abortion should be illegal", "Computers have made life easier", and "You can't debate for your life" are all opinions, and all capable of being debate topics), but it seems to me like you've lost interest in arguing this with me. I won't push you on this any further unless you wish me to; I think the real reason you chose to leave all those debates dangling is evident to the both of us, whatever you claim.
But on another note, I'm starting to think that you're probably not a troll after all. A genuine troll would probably have given outrageous explanations for my 6 examples, rather than hunt around for a reasonable defence of their actions.
Wait, what? I'm not arguing against you at all. I'm arguing against Thewayitis. I don't think I've made a single comment against you in this entire debate.
And I'm not threatening Thewayitis. I accused him of being a hypocrite, and he didn't accept the accusation. So in my next post I gave him one primary example of how he is a hypocrite (talking about making intelligent replies when he himself often doesn't make any reply at all), and tell him that if he wants to refute my point he'd better address it.
Its not that we are the only ones who are capable. Indeed, one thing that gets many atheists panties in a bunch is when we see people who ARE capable completely refusing to do so. The capacity is there, but the willingness is not.
I'm not so surprised that you came to such a conclusion. I see you're from America, a country with a pretty low atheist population. When you have a comparatively small population to base a judgement on, naturally the most vocal people within that population gets all your attention, and then you'd use them as a standard. And the most vocal atheists do tend to be the most asshole-ish of atheists. The most vocal people for any idea are usually the most asshole-ish, because they believe so strongly in their cause that they can't comprehend why other people would disagree with them. So you hear the really vocal atheists, and a lot of them sound like assholes, and you form the conclusion that a lot of atheists are assholes.
But if you went to a country where most people (or at least a large minority of people) are non-religious, it'll be easier to get away from the vocal subgroup and look at atheists as a whole. And then you'll see all sorts of atheists, including plenty who are just normal friendly people.
Another thing is that non-asshole atheists are more likely to keep quiet about their religious stance unless you deliberately ask them about it, so you don't even realise that they're atheist. They don't go around trying to force their beliefs down everyone's throat. You've probably met a lot of nice atheists and never knew it.
Atheists can be really into themselves. Hell, some of them think they're enlightened just by being an Atheist (see Bill Maher).
To me, Atheism is about not believing in something just because a bunch of people tell you it's true. Basically, we look for credibility and evidence. As well, we're seekers of knowledge and information.
The problem here, though, is that as Atheism becomes more accepted, the dumb majority is going to start infecting it (see Bill Maher). It's sort of like when teengirls from Gaia discovered 4chan... the problem isn't 4chan, it's the exposure.
But unlike the Newfags, I don't mind more people being Atheist (even though that means more dumb atheists). I just hope that people will look to the great Philosophers and Scientists who are Atheist, and see it's about the seeking of truth, and not just the bashing of others for their personal beliefs.
The irony in this debate is that there has been no name calling from Atheists, look at the opposition arguments from the Christians. I think that answers your question.
Some people perceive Atheists to be 'jerks' because they argue the rationality of religion. But I see a mass affair of double standards in this debate. Atheists that voice their opinion are merely stating their beliefs. Isn't that what Christians do on a daily basis? The majority of Christians I know have in some way tried to 'preach' or 'convert me' without any ammunition. Atheists that I know will debate religion when brought up for discussion but in no way just start hurling reasoning at people of religion.
Although it is very true that Christians can be from bad to worse sometimes, I actually perceive atheists as jerks when they call me a christfag for arguing against something even without even mentioning my religious beliefs. Although, it goes further than that: a lot of atheists I argue with automatically tell me that anything I say is invalid simply for believing in something they do not, and being ganged up on by a bunch of them several times in debates having nothing to do with religion is not exactly a peaceful look.
I'm all for thinking critically about something so important like religion. But if I'm going to be deemed a Bible-thumper or a Jesus-dicker for saying "I disagree because ___" then it's a problem of not being able to share my own opinion due to the oppression so many of them claim to be against.
But while I will agree it's not all of them: I'm just trying to if it's as much a majority as I think it is.
That's fair enough, I'm not sure they're jerks because they're Atheists though. They're obviously jerks because they're ignorant and dumb. All the Atheists I know would never tell a religious person their religion is outright wrong or bull shit. They just hold the opinion that God might not exist and therefore they don't believe. On the contrary I'm fully aware that God might exist however I have chosen not follow a religion because even if proven true I could no way bring myself to agree with most of what they value or idolize.
You won't find many of these insulting people here, most of us are respectful if religion and debate it intelligently.
I'm not actually Atheist I'm Agnostic, I neither believe or disbelieve. I just don't agree with some of the values and teachings of the Christian faith which is why I choose to eliminate it from life and hence I come across as an Atheist. Basically even if it was proven true, I would still not follow it.
By the way I'm only using Christians for my argument here as I've never had a negative experience with people of other faiths. Just though I'd clarify before someone jumped in saying 'We're not the only ones who preach!'.
There is a reason why I do name calling, I've been called just everything since I've been on this site by atheist. I'm just returning a good deed with a good deed.
Check out all my down-votes. They were not done by religious people, but atheist.
But you're name calling a majority based on a bad experience with a minority. I've been called names and badgered by Christians here but I wouldn't say the majority are jerks. It would just seem that there are dicks on both sides. Around 90% of my down votes are from the exact same Christian follower. Not once have I ever told them what they believe is definitely wrong or completely false, I wish I could say the same for the other way round.
Well you can use my name don't need to walk around on pins and needles...
Yes I have challenged you and your position, but I believe rightfully so. You also called me more than one farm animal name.....what am I suppose to do ? Have you always been nice here? No, so please don't play the poor me, victim game.
It's not about challenging a position, if you're not expecting to have your opinion challenged then create debate is not the website for you. My problem with you is that you think (and have said multiple times) that your opinion and faith is the ultimate truth and anything else is wrong. I wonder if you will find such a pious statement from me.
I haven't called you multiple animal names, I called you a sexist pig. That's one. I've never denied that. Lets have a show of hands, how many people have been name called by church mouse 10+ times. Don't be a hypocrite.
The three biggest groups of jerks I can think of in America would probably be: gang members, racists, and right-wing extremists. And these groups are largely Christian, whereas atheists are underrepresented in each category.
Now I'm not saying that there aren't jerky atheists out there. There certainly are. But behavioral patterns are more discernible within groups that have more of a structured set of beliefs. Atheists only really have one belief, and so it is more difficult to find broad commonality amongst them.
Besides, lots of people are jerks, regardless of their approach to religion.
Well, I just did my top three, a top 10 would have had a bit more variety. I place rw extremos higher than lw ones because they are more likely to call for war, be racist and be homophobic.
Also, many Black Panthers are already covered in the racist heading.
No, Atheism doesn't make you a jerk. Just the stereotyping.
Right-Wing extremists are considered worst than Left-Wing extremists by people who sympathize with the Left. It's a bias; it's stereotyping; almost as bad as racism.
And when I meet perfectly nice and respectable right-wingers with whom respect or friendship comes easily, I don't hold their political views against them. And theres been more than one lefty I've booted out of my life for being total ass-hats. I don't really stereotype in practice, simply as a hypothetical in this debate. Would you prefer I dislike all of them equally? Or perhaps not dislike anybody at all? I'd actually prefer that second option, but I'm just not zen enough for it.
I would also agree with this. I think the jerks when it comes to beliefs are the people who try to disrepute the people who believe in something different. This can be for any category; I more just started with this one.
The three biggest jerks I can think of are liberals Democrats, extremists at both ends and the majority of Hollywood.
I can't agree with you that these groups are mainly Christian.
A Christian mirrors their life with Jesus as the example. They walk the walk.....sitting in church does not make one a Christian. It is living a clean life and following the scriptures. I believe the majority of people who call themselves Christian are not ones at all. They go to church for holidays...own a bible but never read it....they dont take care of the poor, dont take the Great Commission seriously and basically live according to their rules. They are people who mouth the words, that only have a basic head knowledge of what its like....they lack the heart knowledge and commitment. Being a Christian is a lifestyle......one lives where ever they go and at all times. They are proud to be singled out even if they are bashed for their beliefs. Its all about defending Christ and who He said He was. George Barna did an interesting book on this, I read it just the other day.
He said that survey after survery has shown that Americans-including a huge majority of born again Christians and evangelicals not only do not know the bible, read the Bible but lack a biblical worldview. By Biblical worldview he means thinking like Jesus. Making our faith practical to EVERY SITUATION we face each day. That we act like Jesus 24 hours a day because we think like Jesus and not just part time.
Here is a quote from the book.
“Among those who say they rely on biblical standards as their compass for moral decision making, only half believe that all moral truth is absolute. The rest either believe that moral decisions must be made on the basis of the individuals perceptions and the specific situation, or they haven’t really thought about whether truth is relative or absolute.”
He says, “As of 2003, the United States has about 210 million adults. About 175 million CLAIM to be Christian. About 80 million are born again Christians. Roughly 7 million have a biblical worldview. This is just one of every adults in this nation.”
“It seems that Christians are more affected by society than society is affected by Christians. Why? Perhaps because more than 9 out of every 10 born again Christians fail to think like Jesus, they think like the rest of the world, so they naturally behave like citizens of the world, too. They are not the salt and light that Jesus COMMANDS us to be because they lack the personal commitment and depth of faith that makes them truly changed, God-driven beings.”
I gave you these because I am trying to show that...many of those who claim to be Christs are not. How many of the Christians in the groups you place them are truly Christian and not just using the label? To blame all the evils of the world on Christians is wrong. The people who are not mirroring Christ are the ones who are doing the evil...and that includes atheists as well. Christ said LOVE YOUR ENEMY. ARE the Westboro Baptists doing this? NO. They are a hateful group on every level who are not following Christ. But everyone classifies them as Christian.
While I admire your fervor and your strength in what you stated throughout your dispute, I do see one flaw in it and am saddened by it. You said, and the Bible says (The original Bible) to love your enemy. How can you say to love your enemy though turn around and say that any who are not mirroring Christ are the ones committing evil in the world. . . including atheists. How can your belief cause you to emit evil? Simply because I do not believe I am evil and create evil just by living; If you do not believe this it is the message your are sending. The choice to be evil and or act in such a manner does not stem from your belief or how closely you follow it, it stems from you and no one and nothing but you.
First of all I did not say the ones who are not beleivers are committing the evil in the world. I even said in previous posts that most who claim to be Christian are not really in the biblical sense Christians at all. They do NOT mirror Christ. I gave the Westboro Baptists as an example of people who rape the Word. But the point I was trying to make is that it seems at least here...the atheists or people who deny God...are blaming Christians for all the evil. There is enough evil to go around...on both sides.
And what I said was that for believers they believe that is there absolute morality. I do not think that unbleivers can say that...as many here have said that morals should reflect societies views at the time. That means there is not absolute morality.
The blame should not be only on people of faith in God for evil. Their zeal comes from bashing the Christian...certainly not focused on the evil done by believers who don't believe in God. These people with their god denying philosophy forget the evil, large scale slaughters ,,,Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini....Mao were done by attackers of religion.
IMO atheism provides the logical basis for expelling morality. I think it was Darwin who said this would happen if the violence of the evolutionary theory became a philosophy of life. And today if you look at society...we are drifting towards lawlessness. Many posters here think just about everthing should be legalized. And I am not comparing anyones comments here to Hitler BUT.....I believe the Holocaust was not so much a military strategy...but from the German elite a demonstration of their antitheistic philosophies. We are embracing in a way a Nietzshe philosophy and his message to the world was antitheism. Atheism for him gave him every reason to be immoral. And in the end for him...it was what he embraced that killed him. He is a model for where we are heading IMO as our government and educational institutions reflect this worldview.
My beliefs totally reflect Gods view point. If I don't follow it, it is on me and my failings. But then Jesus came for imperfect people.....and I am just one of them.
I'm only going to address the last bit of your rebuttal, how can you be so sure it is God's view point? The Bible is written by Human hands is it not? One cannot know what their deities views are else they would be said deity themselves, based on my logic and the fact that the Bible was written by Human hands one cannot claim to share a deities views else they would be calling themselves said deity. It may not be meant to come across as such, but to my logic it does. If I was to say that I think exactly like oh I don't know, Allah, wouldn't I be saying I was Allah? I understand that humans can think alike but they do not totally reflect each other; If they were to then, they would be each other no?
I'd be pleased to hear your rebuttal to this.
Also Hitler in many of his speeches mentioned God and not in a hostile manner.
I believe the Bible was penned by those who were hand picked by God. I believe that if the Word was wrong...it would not have stood the test of time...that God would have intervened. And you have a right to your own logic, I understand.
I believe in one Truth and that is Christ.
You mention Hitler. Let me say this. George Barna wrote a great book on this called, Think Like Jesus. He has done research into the Christian community and the findings are unbelievable. Just because someone claims to be a Christian, does not make him one. Example. The Westboro Baptists...claim to follow the Word, they are doing Gods work. But if you look at what they say and do against the scriptures, its as different as night and day. So they can call their group whatever they want......but theirs is not a Christian Worldview. They do not think like Jesus did. That is what makes a Christian authentic. Not just believe the Word.....doing the Word. Believing in all circumstances that your morals reflect His. Making decisions and always basing them on the Word. Jesus said...to love even your enemy. Did Hitler do this? No. Do the Westboro Baptists? NO Now I can't judge their hearts....only actions and their actions were anything but Chrsitain. So was Hitler a Christian in the biblical sense.......no. Standing in a garage does not make one a car.......sitting in church does not make you a Christian. Someone can be raised in a Christian home...claim its label....and by Gods standards they fall short. I hope I have explained it so you can understand.
Well played my friend, I hope to partake in further debates with you in the future. Though for now I see nothing else to debate; I could however debate my belief on the penning of the Bible though that would be silly as we do not have sufficient knowledge of the actual penning for me to debate against the faith in the penning of those chosen by God. So until next I bid you adieu.
I have a different experience. The atheists I have known have respected the religious believes and preferred not to have faith. And I have also met Atheists who take pleasure in insulting one's faith considering one's own ideas superior.
I think the former have the right to be cynical. But have no right to mock. Some of them forget that excess faith when questioned in the form of abuses is hurtful.
But, I do know the other half of those who are respectful and nice. I'm going to conclude that not all are jerks for the sake of the better half who know how exactly to propagate or at least to let be.
Personally I would say that no Atheists are NOT as "jerkish" as they are stereotyped to be, I myself am an atheist by my own beliefs. I do not feel that how I act toward others religious or not has to do with my beliefs on the subject of religion. My choice to not believe in any God monotheistic or polytheistic in nature has nothing to do with my choice of how to interact with people.
However, if someone tries to cram ANY idea down my throat because they believe deeply in it, I would react to such vocally and not in actions. I believe that if you have people around you who turn out to be "jerks" this is not influenced by their beliefs; Ones disposition or mannerisms are specific to that person, not their religious status.
Really it depends upon the person. A person of faith can be equally as much a punk as the stereotypical atheist.
I am a Christian and I a friend who is an atheist. We both respect each others positions as both are based on something more than a simple "that's just what I believe".
This is poor topic because there is really no definitive answer as it is dependent upon each individual's personality.
From an atheists standpoint, Christians are the ones who are 'jerkish'. Jerkish in the sense that they're almost always unaccepting of an opposing view. And of course the same can be said of atheists. Because atheists have decided to give up their faith in that particular belief, whatever it was. But almost always for good reason, or at least some reason, which can again, be said of Christians and Christianity. It usually is picked up for certain reasons. So both both sides are guilty of being 'jerkish' in my opinion. The culprit is stubbornness. Let's be more accepting and more open and willing to converse on these kinds of things.
There are jerks in every group. Jerks are not limited to one ideology. :D
Stereotypes do not determine how all individuals act. Also, the non-jerk type of Atheist are likely to be less vocal about their Atheism that those people are underrepresented.
At a personal level, I'm an Atheist, but you don't see me going around and acting all superior to others just because I think differently than my religious counterparts.
No, they aren't. Perhaps I come from a very different background, being from South-east Asia, but the majority of the atheists I know personally (i.e. excluding the ones I've read about) are perfectly happy to not interfere with the lives and faith of religious people. Personally, I think that it is only right to allow people to practice their faith as long as they do not attempt to impose their views on others.
I think I can see how those who think that atheists are "jerkish" get their impression from. Perhaps, those who stereotype atheists as such have met too many outspoken atheists like Christopher Hitchens in their communities. However, it is such stereotypes and hasty generalisations that cause people to not understand and respect the different views of people in society, leading to the lack of tolerance and empathy towards theists by atheists and vice versa. I think that whether or not atheists are "jerkish" stems not from their philosophical viewpoint or world view, but from each person's character. Thus, the first and most important step towards more tolerance and understanding between the theists and atheists is first to understand the character of the person and then to understand their viewpoint.