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Are the USA's jails to nice?

In our country's jails these days, we can earn degrees, get paid, have jobs... are we being too nice to criminals?

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There are more men raped in jails in the US than women on the streets. This doesn't often happen in other countries but for some reason it is allowed in US prisons. The rate of violence and murder is also much higher.

Side: no
Amarel(2390) Clarified
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That’s the kind of fact based assertion that needs a source. .

Side: yes
excon(4415) Disputed
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Hello A:

Am I a good source for that?? I wouldn't say rape is allowed. But, they sure don't do much to stop it..

Look.. They think it's part of the punishment..

excon

Side: yes
Dermot(3644) Disputed
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I always thought that was a myth , if not why does it seem an American thing as in it's unheard of in prisions over here ; so why are American prisioners so different this way ?

Side: yes
excon(4415) Disputed
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Hello D:

It's quite simple.. In America, we send people to jail FOR punishment.. In Europe, they send people to jail AS punishment..

Do you get that distinction??? In Europe, they think the sentence itself IS the punishment.. In America, we send people to jail TO BE PUNISHED.. And, American prison guards BELIEVE they're the ones designated to INFLICT it..

excon

Side: no
Amarel(2390) Clarified
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The US has a high prison population compared to other countries, so higher numbers of assault would make sense.

The question concerning rape stats is who to believe. The Justice Dept showed just under 1000 confirmed rapes in 2008. But then they decided to do a survey to see how many are “sexually victimized”(this definition to include consensual sex with guards) and they found 216,000 with men being at higher risk for victimization from guards than women.

So the survey, where we ask known criminals to tell us how they are treated in the place they hate most, would indicate that men are raped more than women in the US, and prisoners are raped more than non-prisoners. But if you go off confirmed rape cases, it’s a lot more realistic.

Prisons have cameras, and forcible rape is easy to confirm medically. I see that the US could have a problem, but I also see that the problem is overblown.

Side: yes
2 points

There is nothing nice about jail. Have you ever been to jail? Why don't you perform some science. Go up to a squad car, and take a dump right on top of it. Resist arrest as much as you can.

Congratulations, you are now in jail. Hopefully, you'll get enough time in jail to where you can make firsthand observations about just how nice jail is.

But really, what can we do to make jails less nice? Who would want to do that? The awfully spiteful sort, I'd imagine.

Side: no
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@TzarPepe. "There is nothing nice about jail...Hopefully, you'll get enough time in jail to where you can make firsthand observations about just how nice jail is...But really, what can we do to make jails less nice? Who would want to do that? The awfully spiteful sort, I'd imagine."

Thank you TzarPepe! This is an important issue. The real problem is how BAD/HORRIBLE/APPALLING conditions are in US prisons at the moment (not to mention the excess prison population). This is frequently complained about by Human Rights organizations and the UN for not complying with base standards of Humaneness toward prisoners but many people in the US seem to have the idea that "if anything the prisoners should have it worse." These people are either: A. Very ignorant on the topic (which I think is very prevalent in our society) B. A moral monster

Side: no
Amarel(2390) Clarified
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People who think it should be worse are usually upset that prisoners can exercise the day away in a gym where they learn best practices from other inmates concerning how to fight police with their new found prison fitness, or how to get away with it next time. Or sometimes they are upset that prisoners get TV or college education on the tax payers dime.

People who are upset about the conditions are probably upset about 216,000 rape victims, a number derived from a survey of the prison population. A number that makes prison into an apparent daily rape orgy. That would indeed be awful, if it were true.

Have you personally ever seen the conditions of a jail or prison?

Side: yes
2 points

we can earn degrees, get paid, have jobs

Hello, H:

Yeah.. We let 'em sweep the floor for 11 cents an hour.. We let 'em call their family collect at $4.00/minute.. We let them buy soap at twice the price you pay..

Yeah, we're pretty good to 'em.

excon

Side: no
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You're right. If you rape a woman or hold up a store, you should be rewarded with a blowjob and a handjob once every two days.

I wonder how it'd be in an Iranian, Pakistani or North Korean prison. Probably no phone call and no pay to sweep the floor. Probably some good ol fashioned flogging involved as well...

In any nation run by the Sharia, hands are cut off, adulterers are killed, and having your teeth knocked out is a part of "morality patrol". You should try a prison in Afghanistan and tell us how much they pay you to sweep the floors.

Side: yes