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Debate Score:17
Arguments:10
Total Votes:17
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Are the body and the "self" the same?

Yes

Side Score: 7
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No

Side Score: 10
2 points

Typically we see ourselves as residing somewhere in our heads, looking through our eyes as if they were windows, that we aren't our bodies but "in" our bodies. This I think contributed to the concept of the soul. Yet we are nothing more than a bunch of neurons firing off in the brain. End the brain, and you end yourself.

Side: yes

a bunch of neurons firing off in the brain

Yes, but that requires energy and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It is just transformed.

Maybe the body is like a cocoon and when we die we emerge, like a beautiful butterfly, into a different perception of reality that has 10 dimensions as described by String theory.

I have no idea what I just said but parts of it sounded good and parts of it sounded Glee ;)

Side: yes
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
3 points

Energy is fleeting. Your body is acquiring new energy and losing old energy every second of every day. It's not analogous to the "soul" because it doesn't stay together and it doesn't stay. When you die, you lose that energy primarily through heat loss (thus why dead bodies are cold).

Side: No
2 points

As far as we have been able to tell so far, yes. We have absolutely no concrete, non-emotional, evidence for a soul or any such construct that exists beyond our physical body. And a fair majority of the personality traits we have historically associated with the soul have been shown to have a perfectly rational, physiological basis, with new ones being identified all of the time.

Side: yes

If we are talking about this from a spiritual perspective I believe the answer is yes. Neglecting the body is detrimental to both your physical and spiritual being. The body is a temple for our "self" or "soul" which is why I believe the body is so important. We must take care of our bodies to truly care for our soul and vise versa. Also, denying the body is denying an important part of living thus limiting your spiritual growth.

Side: yes
2 points

I don't think they are the same. Cuz... When your refer to yourself your more subjective.

Side: No
2 points

The self is bigger than the body, The conceptualization of the self may be contained within the mind but this conceptualization draws on external facts such as your environment, job, family, etc. to form itself.

Consider your name, you call yourself what you do because your parents or someone else did; not because its an inherent property of your body.

Side: No
1 point

Yes & No, both but I don't know the ratio.

Jaynes theorizes that ancient consciousness had no sense of an interior, directing self because of the bicameral brain working essentially independently of each other.

Supporting Evidence: The Origin of Consciousness (deoxy.org)
Side: Yes and No

When we are born and when we die, we have shed all our original cells in the body and replaced them, haven't we? And yet, are we not the same person? Aren't we still the same "self", though physically changed?

Side: No
1 point

Take it from someone who had BDD. No.

Other than that, I believe that the body and self are separate in most ways. It's hard for me to explain. That and, the self is bigger than the body.

Side: No