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Yes there are No there can't be
Debate Score:126
Arguments:86
Total Votes:152
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Are there strong arguments that can help prove the existence of God?

Yes there are

Side Score: 59
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No there can't be

Side Score: 67
2 points

The ontological argument is the most convincing I have read.

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

The "I believe in God, therefore God exists" argument is the best you have heard. That's so lame.

Side: No there can't be
Everett1 Disputed
1 point

The ontological argument is a logical argument. You can't prove the existence of anything using logic alone, you need evidence.

Side: No there can't be
ProLogos(2793) Disputed
1 point

Logic determines what is and what isn't evidence .

Side: Yes there are
Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

Which ontological argument would that be? I have yet to find one that is not critically flawed in some respect.

Side: Yes there are
2 points

I only need one sign from God, just one measly little old cotton picking sign, that's all I ask. All he has to do is deposit £100 million in a Swiss bank account in my name and I'd be a believer. I mean is that too much to ask? Hallelujah brother/sister, hallelujah, praise the Lord. All together now, we shall gather at the river, the beautiful beautiful river, ---

Side: Yes there are
1 point

indeed ... DNA = proof that all life is derived from a source of intelligence http://www.stephencmeyer.org/

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also .... ROMANS 1:18 .. for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness

1:19 .. because that which is known about God is evident within them .. for God made it evident to them

1:20 .. for since the creation of the world his invisible attributes .. his eternal power and divine nature .. have been clearly seen .. being understood through what has been made .. so that they are without excuse .... http://dadmansabode.com/b/06/060116.mp3 <

Supporting Evidence: Romans 1 (dadmansabode.com)
Side: Yes there are
1 point

btw: .... this truth of DNA will get suppressed / avoided / mocked / ridiculed / ignored / dismissed ............ 13-reasons-why-i-am-not-an-atheist https://jamesbishopblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/12/13-reasons-why-i-am-not-an-atheist/ < come and learn

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

No, DNA is a great piece of evidence that there is no God. It is mocked, ignored, and ridiculed by you.

Side: No there can't be
1 point

I almost died.

The doctors announced me dead, but I was in another place.

The scenery was vivid...colors bright...there was beautiful lush meadows of flowers and butterflies...mountains which peaks extended beyond what my vision could observe. There was a woman...one I have never seen in my life.

She gently grabbed my hands and said it's not your time yet...there was then a bright flash! And I returned to consciousness. I later found out that the woman I saw was the deceased grandma one of the doctors who was there when I was announced DOA.

This is proof of After Life. This...is proof of God!

Side: Yes there are
1 point

1. Something exists.

2. Whatever exists is either possible or necessary.

3. If that something which exists is necessary, then there is a necessary existent.

4. Whatever is possible has a cause.

5. So if that something which exists is possible, then it has a cause.

6. The totality of possible things is either necessary in itself or possible in itself.

7. The totality cannot be necessary in itself since it exists only through the existence of its members.

8. So the totality of possible things is possible in itself.

9. So the totality of possible things has a cause.

10. This cause is either internal to the totality or external to it.

11. If it is internal to the totality, then it is either necessary or possible.

12. But it cannot in that case be necessary, because the totality is comprised of possible things.

13. And it also cannot in that case be possible, since as the cause of all possible things it would in that case be its own cause, which would make it necessary and not possible after all, which is a contradiction.

14. So the cause of the totality of possible things is not internal to that totality, but external to it.

15. But if it is outside the totality of possible things, then it is necessary.

Conclusion : So there is a necessary existent, and this necessary existent is what is referred to as God.

Either you refute argument premise by premise or you shut the fck up

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

God violates premise 4 since it doesn't have a cause. Therefore, God is not possible. God is also not necessary, therefore premise 2 is violated. Since premise 2 is violated, God does not exist.

Conclusion : So there is a necessary existent, and this necessary existent is what is referred to as God.

This violates a previous rule set by you. You said you aren't allowed to define anything by what it does. You said that it has to be defined by what it is. Your conclusion is invalid because you have defined God as whatever created the universe. This comes from ignorance of definitions.

The contingency argument proves that the singularity that started the universe wasn't natural. It does not prove a God.

Side: No there can't be
Delvis(221) Disputed
1 point

Sorry, you're an idiot. I don't reply to you. Get one of your friends to comment

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

Your Arguments Countered

The rest of your "strong" arguments are all seen there.

Side: No there can't be
1 point

The fact that we can argue at all is strong evidence for God. Argumentation relies on reason, which in turn relies on logical absolutes. Atheism can't account for logical absolutes, thus the impossibility of atheism is very strong evidence for the existence of God.

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

The fact that we can argue is strong evidence that evolution can lead to beings intelligent enough to speak. Logical absolutes are a concept created by intelligent humans, it is not from God. Knowing that a=a doesn't require a God.

Side: No there can't be
sceathers(155) Disputed
1 point

"Logical absolutes are a concept created by intelligent humans," - so does that mean you believe prior to human existence there were no logical absolutes?

Side: Yes there are
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................................................................................................................Nailed it

Side: Yes there are
1 point

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No one to debunk my argument ?

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You called?

Side: No there can't be
1 point

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Side: Yes there are
TrumpsHair(310) Clarified
2 points

Sadly, this is quite a boring path:

You claim atheists believe something (the big bang) came from nothing.

Atheists claim that you believe that something (God) came from nothing.

Atheists say that the materials that erupted in the bang might have been always there. Christians balk.

Christians say that God has always been there. Atheists balk.

This path does not lend any legitimacy to theism or atheism.

Side: Yes there are
1 point

Fools will demand proof that Hell is a real place of eternal torment for sinners, and the only way they will believe it is real is that they will find themselves in the fire of Hell unable to escape....then they will cry out to God and He won't answer, they will curse Him and nothing will change.

Side: Yes there are
1 point

"""Are there strong arguments that can help prove the existence of God?"""////

Another loaded question fallacy . Who falls for that ?

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

118 days ago you fell for it.

Side: No there can't be
1 point

There are very strong arguments of God's existence, and of Biblical accuracy, and credibility.

I have found that what atheist want as proof is their defense for denial. God won't appease them because if you give them every reason to consider at least an investigation, then their choice is they really don't want to know, no matter what you show them.

Best you can do is give them every argument to their objections and hopefully the light goes on.

I also know that as atheism grows, as Jesus says the last days love will wax cold. Light and Salt, without light it's dark, without salt foods loose flavor an in some foods salt keep foods from rotting.

Below is a short video clip I'd recommend. And this goes into a posting from an atheist that shows the downside of atheism.

And we can see why Jesus said this last days sign would be present. And it is very present, it's even blindly present.

People don't recognize it in themselves, and they barely recognize it in others.

So as we switch the Jews scream "Release Barabas!" And "Crucify Jesus" today we see massive identity in darkness that identify and takes over society, and families, the rights of others to live and believe, as they scream intolerance, they define and personify intolerance. No one matters but self, and the darkness that affirms them as ok.

Any light that shines anywhere near them in their darkness is met with hate and intolerance. So we then hear "eliminate religion" "no signs of religious culture aloud, but we can erect a statue to Buddha, or Plato, anyone but Jesus.

Religion, the voice of light is silenced. Religious freedom confined to behind closed doors. Sound like tolerance?

Jesus said they will hate you, just like they hated me. Light shows darkness, and they scream just for light believing their darkness is sin. They HATE any eyes looking their way that have any light in them, and if they could they would pluck them out, never to look at them again.

Isn't it amazing how unreasonable and intolerance has grown to become. It's not enough for people of light to be tolerant. It's not enough till they put it out! Until they release your own children from your families values and moral standards. Why?

Because darkness hates light because in light nothing is hidden or masked, you see things as they are, and people prefer deception so light doesn't expose the darkness they dwell in.

This is a short clip that explains the atheist. Give it a few minutes, the letter from the atheist is both shocking yet sadly accurate and believable.

https://youtu.be/cdDi_lyo8uc

Side: Yes there are
0 points

The fact that it is so easy to make atheists look like fools should do it, but it usually does not.

Side: Yes there are
Jace(5222) Disputed
4 points

That fact that I have never seen you do that makes you look rather foolish for making the claim.

Side: No there can't be
1 point

Hey, let me ask you this: A nihilist walks into a porno store with a pothead. The pothead says, hey man, check out these whores. The nihilist says "they ain't nothing if they can't keep themselves out of Hell." Then they went and smoked weed in the dumpster out back and had an orgy.

Side: No there can't be
Aspire(62) Disputed
1 point

Lol, you're the biggest fool on createdebate... I just hope your real name here isn't prodigy.

Side: No there can't be
Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
0 points

I just hope you're real name here isn't prodigy.

Is it because that would mean you have a severe case of multiple personality disorder?

Side: Yes there are
1 point

Are you ever going to do anything on this website that doesn't amount to a petty power trip?

Side: No there can't be
2 points

Nothing that can actually prove it scientifically, the best arguments supporting a god out there are thought experiments and "what ifs."

Side: No there can't be
2 points

The word "prove" or "proof" is the kicker here. This is not a word scientists nor philosophers use lightly or really, hardly ever. That is because in many instances, science especially, we are using inductive reasoning where proof is never complete.

Pretty sure it has been said innumerable times but, if someone wants proof of something they should become a mathematician. In maths there you have proofs, not in philosophy or science.

Side: No there can't be
2 points

Absolute proof that God exists or not will never happen but the augment that if you cannot disprove God then he must exist is illogical as much as it is annoying

Perhaps further questions such as where is God,

what is he made of,

who created him

How old is he

Does he control atoms ? Could be asked of the "believers"

Side: No there can't be
0 points

If you insist you will have no absolute proof that God is God, you won't have it. You will have absolute proof that your existence as a sinner is justified by the fire of Hell....but you won't understand it that way. You will always argue against it even though you can't get out of it, you'll never accept it as being forever and for real.

The fact that you exist outside of the fire of Hell in no way proves you can un-exist or exist outside of Hell in death. God has the right to finalize your death at any moment, and He has the right to keep you in Hell forever because you have turned away from and against Him and He loves you so He will give you want you want, to be separate from Him who has the right to rule over you. It baffles me why people want to fight against God other than they love their sin all the way to Hell and somehow they think it's worth it.

Side: No there can't be
laylo5(26) Disputed
0 points

What right have you to pontificate about religion you go on as if you have the final say that only you can understand what God wants or who he will punish, you don't know me or how I live my life according to you I'm a sinner and will burn in hell because I refuse to worship your God even if I was to spend my life helping my fellow man I will still burn in hell but not the clergyman who abuses children he's guaranteed a seat in heaven ,

you really need some help as you are totally deluded

Side: Yes there are
2 points

"Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence" I know theists have heard the famous quote, but we say this for a reason, because we want evidence for your claim. If you use arguments like the fine tuned argument, remember this could be used for any theistic and deistic God, so what evidence that you have that is so compelling that it makes your God stand out from the crowd, once you meet my criteria, then we'll talk

Side: No there can't be
1 point

There are, but they aren't supported by reality. If fossils didn't exist or older fossils appeared on a higher rock layer. If different animals had completely different DNA molecules, that would also indicate that God was the answer.

Side: No there can't be
2 points

Totally agree you cannot support an entire belief on one book written years after an event by many contributors with stories taken from other fables and then say this is evidence of a higher power therefore God exists

Side: No there can't be
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

If different animals had completely different DNA molecules, that would also indicate that God was the answer.

You believe that if this were true then you would believe in God? I suspect, like most atheists, you would go back the argument of "there are things in science yet to be discovered".

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

I would have believed in God 100 years ago. If there are new roadblocks to scientific discovery then there is more likely to be a God. As it stands now, every scientific discovery makes things better understood. If every new animal found led to more unexplained questions it would make sense for there to be a God.

Side: No there can't be
1 point

Since other debtors cannot prove what they are saying, I will. Remember when God parted the red sea, all the Egyptians with their chariots drowned and all of them died, divers found gold chariot wheels in the red sea, right at the bottom of the sea.. See? Proof, search it yourself

Side: Yes there are
Cartman(18192) Disputed
4 points

You really shouldn't have had me look it up myself. There are many fake news sources. You have been fooled by one of them. So, since you can't prove what you are saying, will you change your opinion?

Supporting Evidence: Fake story (www.snopes.com)
Side: No there can't be
1 point

There are arguments, the "strength" of which can only be measured by the strength of the "belief" in that argument. There is far more solid evidence that "The Book" is at least as much imaginative as factual .... at least.

Side: No there can't be
1 point

Fools will demand proof that Hell is a real place of eternal torment for sinners, and the only way they will believe it is real is that they will find themselves in the fire of Hell unable to escape....then they will cry out to God and He won't answer, they will curse Him and nothing will change.

Side: No there can't be