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Yes, go America! No, America sucks.
Debate Score:83
Arguments:50
Total Votes:96
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 Yes, go America! (26)
 
 No, America sucks. (24)

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Are you a patriot for America?

are you a patriot for America, or do you hate it?

if you don't like america or where its going, please explain so i can defend america against all the commies. dang you reds!

Yes, go America!

Side Score: 41
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No, America sucks.

Side Score: 42
3 points

I love this country and [almost] everything about it! I'm willing to fight for this nation and possibly die to protect her. I absolutely hate it when people disrespect America in any way, shape, or form. I think America is the greatest nation on Earth, no matter what flaws she has. And I truly wish more people felt this way about our nation, the nation that protects us daily and watches over us so we don't get killed by terrorists, etc. God Bless America. :)

Side: Yes, go America!
2 points

Couldn't have said it better myself. And I like how you call the country "her".

Side: Yes, go America!

wow, this is turning one sided(as expected). i hope stalin, chavez and whoever the hell is in charge of palestine to read pyg's comment. GO AMERICA. cmon enemies, show your cowardly selves, my opponents. before you do, you better leave the country so i dont hunt you down:)

Side: Yes, go America!
2 points

"i hope stalin, chavez and whoever the hell is in charge of palestine to read pyg's comment."

Lol, what if they where on CreateDebate, they would always be getting shut down. :D

Side: Yes, go America!
cod-pownage(126) Disputed
1 point

What do you like about it? Do you like the war crime she has commited? Do you like her black widow ways? Or pherhaps its hypocracy? If you like the land, america, I agree. I love its beaches, economic oppurtunities, terrai, multicultural communites. But I hate the government and how it was acted towards other countries so far.

Side: No, America sucks.
1 point

Well, i do love America. This is why it pisses me off when people disrespect any of our presidents (from other countries of course). like the Palestinians and Hugo Chavez talking shit about Obama... fuck you guys, he's my prez.

i mean, at home hated towards the prez is fine... i never had a real problem with people who hated Bush. But when people outside of our country start talking shit about our president, it's go time.

so fuck Chavez, fuck Putin, Fuck the Palestinians and any other fucker who decides to talk shit about us and our leader, whoever the fuck it is (unless he took power by force, which would not be the American way, so we would be in a time of Revolution).

Side: Yes, go America!
lawnman(1106) Disputed
4 points

Rebuke is in order!

Hitler loved Germans who equated Germany with himself. Explain to me, and all who read your reply, why the government of the U.S. is the U.S.? You have spoken as though you only recognize the government. Does the government, which you so willingly deify, provide you with the welfare that the banks are receiving now?

If you were a German of the Nazi era you would have un-doubtedly loved Hitler while cursing everyone who bared true witness of his wickedness.

The U.S. was originally intended by our forefathers to supposedly be a nation of sovereign individuals and sovereign states. Why do you fail to recognize that the U.S. is not, in its current form, that which our forefathers intended?

You are playing the role of a blind person. When the blind lead the blind, shall they not both shall fall into the ditch?

Look! How can you be boastful of a country of men and women who sit back and watch their government, which they elected, deprive the future generations of the wealth of their labors for the benefit of banks, insurance companies, and ultra-rich CEOs?

Are your receiving a paycheck for such non-sense?

Are you aware that patriotism protects individuals from governments that are destructive of the purposes for which they were created?

Be a man in mind and put away your petulant pontifications!

Do I love America? No! I can only love individuals.

Demonstrate how it's possible to love a country.

Your position is absurd to say the least.

You affirmed that you are a patriot for government. That makes you a stooge and a pawn of the government. What is your pay scale?

Side: The people not the politicians
ThePyg(6756) Disputed
0 points

look, i understand that criticizm of a leader might be in order, but when foreigners just disrespect OUR leader... it's upsetting.

I dislike Obama and most of his policies, but as a man he's an alright dude. I criticize him all the time, but when others who don't even live here decide to criticize him (and it's been mainly because of the fact that he's the president of the United States) it makes me angry.

"who the fuck are you to get into our business? your government is ten times shittier, so fuck off".

it's not that i blindly follow Obama and the government, beleive me, I don't; it's really just about principle.

Side: Yes, go America!
1 point

really? just random down votes? i know it's not any of the oldfags cause that was a while ago. some random bastard just came here and down voted my argument (probably cause he hates America).

Side: Yes, go America!

Yes. And people who don't like this country should find a better country and go live there. ;)

Side: Yes, go America!
1 point

Joe, there are many people who love this country but are not blind-sided. There are problems here and it's absolutely patriotic to point these things out...if that is of what you speak.

Side: No, America sucks.

I'm not sure I made myself clear. People are different. Some like beer (for example) and some like wine. Now, lets say that this is a predominantly beer drinking nation. If someone says that France, a predominantly wine drinking nation, is better, and that we should see the errors of our ways and change from drinking beer to drinking wine, I'd be like, "Why have two predominantly wine drinking countries? Why not leave this country alone, the way it is, so that people who like what we like can come here and enjoy it and the people who like what the French like could go to France?"

Side: No, America sucks.
1 point

This is the greatest country in the world so yes go united states of AMERICA

Side: Yes, go America!
1 point

America, fuck yeah! Gonna save the motherfuckin' world yeah! Terorists, your game is through, 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah!

Side: Yes, go America!

First off let me just say that I don't think that America sucks. I think America does things that at times, do suck...but the country does not. I think Pyggy is way off the mark here. Other presidents of other countries have a negative opinion on our president...where's the harm in articulating that? What are you guys going to do...pump up your testosterone and beat them all up? Don't be ridiculous! Show them what we stand for and stop embarrassing us as a country!

We stand for human rights, free speech and all the rest. Would you act in a way that belies our foundation? Would you not extend those rights to people we wish to live in a Democratic Society themselves? Grow up people and stop making this a pissing contest.

Side: No, America sucks.
2 points

nooooooooooo!!! not kuklapolitan! oh, i guess i'll get embarassed later by you for this. you are the last person who i want to argue with, but i will stand firm with what i have said.

"What are you guys going to do...pump up your testosterone and beat them all up?"

hells yeah! i'll punch em in the face! just because belief in freedom of speech is a part of our country's creed does not mean it applies in the overall way we handle ourselves to the rest of the world. i believe quite a few people got it right when they said, in short,"i don't care if people in our country talk bad about our pres., but if some other crappy country talks about us, we'd kill 'em." its just the way things are. and if people who wished to become a democratic society, they would know not to piss us off, because we would make it to where they arent even a society.

please still be my friend, sincerely

doublejumper

Side: Yes, go America!
1 point

DJ! I love my country and so do you. Even if we disagree it means nothing in our friendship. We're simply debating. I see it one way and you see it another. I don't say I do not understand you guys but geeze it's just a bit much. You don't have to agree with everything I say nor I, you. I give you the op to voice your opinions so please return the favor...in all due friendship.

PS: I wrote I LOVE MY Country on the first one too...I don't know why it didn't take! Stupid site

Side: I LOVE MY Country
4 points

I'm not sure what it means to be patriotic.

What does it mean to be patriotic towards a country? Certainly it's not about the land itself. Perhaps it's the people on the land? People in America are just like people all over the world, however, and that's because they are from all over the world. There's no reason to support or value people solely for being on a specific piece of land.

Is patriotism something supposedly akin to love? People talk about "[their] country" as if it were another person. A country is an idea, and worshiping an idea is never rational. You cannot love or respect a country. Such a statement is meaningless. Is supporting the decisions of individuals in the U.S. government considered to be patriotic? If so, then patriotism is not a virtue.

I do not support coercion, and so I do not support any governments. I do not love or respect people for arbitrary reasons, such as where they were born. I think ideas, places and people can be wonderful and beautiful things.

I am not a patriot; I am a lover of freedom and thought.

Side: Patriotism is irrational
3 points

Integrity, you took the bait. You should have known this was an idiot debate, and any realistic notions of humanistic citizenship would offend their naivete. So to speak, here in the conversation begins the beatdown on integrity.

Side: No, America sucks.
1 point

yah integrity, sorry for all the stupid people. and by the way, "naivete" is not a word, Hgrey. idiot. there is no beatdown on integrity. why is everyone pissing me off today?

Side: Yes, go America!

Nicely put. One up vote. I noticed that your profile says that you like "logical and meaningful discussions." Well, I fall short on the meaningful part but I like your logic ;)

Side: No, America sucks.
1 point

my main idea of patriotism is being proud of my country and trusting that it is the best in the world. is it truly so wrong to show a little pride. i do not believe that a country is an idea, it is the unification of a people through land and also thought.

Side: Yes, go America!
Integrity(73) Disputed
2 points

What does it mean to be proud of your country? How can you trust that a country is the best in the world, and why would you? I don't see anything wrong with pride, unless it's baseless. What is there to be proud about, in regards to a country?

Can you please elaborate on what you mean by a country being the unification of people?

Side: No, America sucks.
11PuttPutt(3) Disputed
1 point

You are trying to hard to be deep. Freedom and thought are the basis of the U.S. I repeat you are trying way to hard to be deep.

Side: Yes, go America!
AndrewJ(42) Disputed
0 points

Are you American?....because it sure doesn't sound like it ..... have some pride for your country...you jerk

Side: Yes, go America!
2 points

It's not that America sucks but it's that today, the meaning behind being a patriot has been lost. Most people think that fighting for their own country makes them a patriot? What if a person was fighting to further the interest of a select few rather the whole? Does that make the person fighting a patriot?

These days, the meaning behind being a patriot and a terrorist have been twisted. Today, we have been conditioned to what a patriot looks like and how a terrorist looks like. But, has anyone ever consider that a person wearing a nicely pressed suit working in a prestigious building might be a terrorist that is endangering this country?

A true patriot would fight against domestic threats and threats a broad. These days, to become a patriot, one has to fight only international threats! Sadly, the domestic threats are much more dangerous than those aboard.

As much as I love this country of mine and however much I may try to better it, I might be looked upon as a terrorist by those that currently run this country.

Side: No, America sucks.
1 point

why would they look at you as a terrorist? it is also interesting that yolu say patriots should fight domestic threats, because i want to be a cop when i grow up.

Side: Yes, go America!
2 points

america is good and bad but i think patriotism in general is for idiots. there is no way you can like every aspect of america. i think that in order for a country to be good, you have to be critical of it. if you just blindly agree with everything about it then you will have a crappy country. thats the reason why companies have complaints departments. at this point, it seems like no americans have the courage to complain about anything because they will get locked up in guantanamo bay. i dont think things will get any better and i think americans will just end up accepting whatever authoritarian ways the govt dishes out, all in the name of national security.

Side: No, America sucks.
1 point

This isn't really a debate I think, just a poll. I will add though, "The world is my country, and to do good is my religion."

Side: No, America sucks.

Fuck no! America is a hypocrite. The iraq war was built on a lie. They ousted saddam hussein, who managed to keep peace in his nation. America has commited the most war crimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes. It is becoming similar to nazi germany (for those who believe it is bad). http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/20-signs-that-the-nazification-of-america-is-almost-complete http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1786586/pg1. It believes it can do whatever it wants since it has the largest military. It has demonitized communism, muslims, fidel castro, adolf hitler, saddam hussein etc for not supporting their ways or for propoganda purposes

Side: No, America sucks.