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Are you afraid that if you ADMIT your fire dept is socialism, that YOU'RE a socialist?


Yeah, cause it AIN'T

Side Score: 28
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No, cause it IS

Side Score: 22
5 points

Fire Departments are not funded nor controlled by the Federal government, and are controlled at the local level. Many are privatized because it is more cost efficient.

On top of this, most firemen are volunteers.

This would be the opposite of socialism.

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
5 points

https://www.firehouse.com/leadership/article/12106427/can-the-american-fire-service-be-privatized

Privatization is Coming to the American Fire Service

Daniel Byrne says the door for the privatization of fire service operations has been opened by the Red Cross, and the public loves them for it.

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
5 points

so·cial·ism

ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit

noun

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community or government as a whole.

synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
5 points

Definition of Socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

Definition of Socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Hello Spuds:

Got it. Fire Department.. The government owns it, administers it, and its services (production) are available to everybody and anybody regardless of whether you paid or not.

Dude. That's socialism..

excon

Side: No, cause it IS
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Definition of Socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Hello Spuds:

Got it. Fire Department.. The government owns it, administers it, and its services (production) are available to everybody and anybody regardless of whether you paid or not.

Dude. That's socialism..

excon

Socialism is building fire trucks ? What an IDIOT you are !!!!!!!!!

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
1 point

SUPER STUPID i looked into it and all policemen are SOCIALIST, all firemen are SOCIALIST,all Illegal Aliens that work on the road crews are SOCIALIST and anyone that volunteers at a public library are SOCIALIST !

You LITTLE GURL BOY are an IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
2 points

The Fire Department is an institution of Federalism funded by capitalism that has nothing to do with the government owning any kind of production.

Side: No, cause it IS
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

Institution of federalism

Hello M:

Dude! What the hell is that?? Are you saying the government doesn't own the fire department??? Twisting words ain't gonna change it.. The government OWNS the fire department - even the volunteer ones.

I got it.. If the money to pay for social programs emanates from capitalism, it's CAPITALISM, period, end of story..

Dude!

excon

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Crazy BARNEY you are completely INSANE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your PSYCHO BABBLE continues !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: No, cause it IS
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Institution of federalism

Hello M:

Dude! What the hell is that?? Are you saying the government doesn't own the fire department??? Twisting words ain't gonna change it.. The government OWNS the fire department - even the volunteer ones.

I got it.. If the money to pay for social programs emanates from capitalism, it's CAPITALISM, period, end of story..

Dude!

excon

SUPER STUPID show up with some information that ties social programs to the fire department you IDIOT !

Side: No, cause it IS
1 point

Hello:

Seems as though right wingers think socialism has to be an economic system, void of capitalism, and administered by the federal government.. They can't conceive of it being your fire department or your local food bank, BOTH of which are socialism, of course.

The argument that it's capitalism because the CITY owns it, and NOT the STATE or FEDERAL government is laughable..

excon

Side: No, cause it IS
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Hello:

Seems as though right wingers think socialism has to be an economic system, void of capitalism, and administered by the federal government.. They can't conceive of it being your fire department or your local food bank, BOTH of which are socialism, of course.

The argument that it's capitalism because the CITY owns it, and NOT the STATE or FEDERAL government is laughable..

excon

Where does your PSYCHO BABBLE end SUPER STUPID ????????????

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

SUPER STUPID now says a local food bank is SOCIALIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUPER STUPID you are laughable with your IGNORANCE !!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
0 points

My fire department and many many others are volunteer.

For those that are not, intelligent people understand that certain things can best be handled by central public departments such as the police, fire, military, road construction, etc. etc.

In this way everyone has a central number to call in emergencies.

The last I knew, free College, free housing subsidies, free healthcare (unless emergency), etc. are not life threatening events.

These things are better handled by the private sector because Government bankrupts everything it touches. When a corrupt Government forces tax payers to pay for free College... COLLEGE TUITION'S SKYROCKET!

The same with healthcare costs and any other cost that is forcibly taken from the working man.

Subsidized Government programs will charge what they want when there is no competition. It always has and always will.

Side: No, cause it IS
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

My fire department and many many others are volunteer

Hello From:

It's NOT the fire department payroll that makes it socialism.. It's that the government OWNS it, and its production serves EVERYBODY, equally, whether they paid for it or not..

Look.. We can argue weather socialism is GOOD or not.. But, we can't argue about what socialism IS, because what it IS, is clear as a bell..

Without saying the word "socialism", you described it perfectly, when you said: "certain things can best be handled by central public departments such as the police, fire, military, road construction, etc. etc."

excon

Side: Yeah, cause it AIN'T
Spuds(1074) Disputed
5 points

It's NOT the fire department payroll that makes it socialism.. It's that the government OWNS it

The fedral government doesn't own it, nor does the state, and more and more are being privatized because it is more efficient.

Side: No, cause it IS
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

You and I both know what we are talking about. The Democrat Party is trying to force their idea of socialism onto all Americans in all States.

People choose to have their local fire and police departments. They voluntarily pay for it through their local taxes. You will notice that most local tax payers are not supporting free Colleges, free housing subsidies, free healthcare, etc. paid for by tax payers. We know when to stop!

No one denies that on a small scale we have some aspects of socialism. In the same way, socialist nations have some aspects of capitalism.

An intelligent nation knows where to stop. An intelligent people can see the corruption in Government, and know what limits there should be.

Side: No, cause it IS
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

Con, you are under the assumption that all government is socialism. We don’t have private legislators making laws that we privately enforce for paying customers. Are you going to tell me that a Representative Republic that facilitates a Capitalist economy is actually socialism because of taxes? It’s not. Nor are the proper functions of government.

We’ve discussed the fire department before. As I previously explained, a fire in a house in a city is a threat to all its neighbors. As such, anyone not paying for fire services would necessarily benefit as a free rider on fire services paid for by others. Same goes for criminal justice and military protection, which cannot be privatized while maintaining their purpose.

Side: No, cause it IS
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

CRAZY BARNEY now says road construction is SOCIALIST ! You IDIOT you make a FOOL of yourself and you should be the POSTER CHILD of Ignorance !

Side: No, cause it IS