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liberal conservative
Debate Score:237
Arguments:163
Total Votes:275
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Are you a liberal or conservative?

liberal

Side Score: 120
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conservative

Side Score: 117
4 points

I am a liberal because I believe progressivism is a virtue! I believe in social tolerance (legalizing gay marriage, abortion etc) I am discontent about the system. I am opposed to how the establishment works. Because I believe the security of the individual is more important than the security of authorities, that's one of the reasons I am opposed to the war on drugs. I believe in civil liberties. I believe isolationism is best for the well being of our national security and national securities worldwide! I am opposed to wiretapping/spying as well which is something both Democrats and Republicans fail to understand is wrong. I am a secular person and I oppose Republican theocracy! I believe in science and reality and believe that Climate Change is a real threat to the planet and I believe the government should get involved in it. I think the government should have a roll in making a better society and make life easier for people, I also think they deserve the financial authority they have to do it. I support the new deal which arguably created a middle class! And I believe regulative capitalism is the furthest system from hierarchy, the new deal kept capitalism away from its hierarchical roots and I say we keep it that way! I am a progressive because I believe that the world would be a much better place if all the people were living for today, as Thomas Jefferson once said "the living should be governed by the living, not the dead."

Side: liberal
Aunvre(10) Disputed
1 point

You repeatedly mention that the government should get involved. That's like the exact opposite of what should happen. Private companies/charities/donors/sponsors/corporations have contributed more accurate and efficient research about global warming than the government ever has. The difference? The government has NO sense of how to spend money.

Also, for the love of god, don't return with the typical "but corporations are evil" thing.

Side: conservative
libertyFTW(213) Disputed
2 points

Also, for the love of God, don't return to the corporations are evil argument

Corporations have been bribing our politicians in government with money to serve their corporate agenda, of course they are evil.

Not only have they fucked up the meaning and purpose of Democracy, but they have even directly hacked into it. In the election of 2004 corporations like Diebold and Premier literally raised the margin of error to its highest percentage in history, a 2006 study confirms these machines are more susceptible to tampering and a whistle blower also came out and revealed that the results on the machines were in fact hacked!

Side: liberal
4 points

I'm not sure, but I think I am liberal.

I'm most likely an Anarchist though. Idk .

Side: liberal
NotDepressed(49) Clarified
1 point

you sound like a libertarian. 123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930

Side: liberal
3 points

Aside from politics, liberals always seem to be down to earth people who think rationally and want to help each other out.

Conservatives seem to be greedy individuals with their heads in the clouds, and do not appreciate the working class as human beings.

Side: liberal
Stickers(1037) Disputed
1 point

What you said offends me, and is also blatantly wrong.

Most studies in the US have concluded that conservatives give significantly more to charity on average than liberals. Self described "liberal" women are several times more likely than self described "conservative" women to cheat on their significant others.

1) Conservatives are more religious, which is a given. Religious morality has and always will encourage charity.

2) Conservatives focus more on what the individual can do to improve society, rather than what society as a whole can do. This encourages them to place a greater responsibility on themselves.

3) Welfare is occupied mostly by left wing folks ie conservatives don't wait on society to provide their own damn needs and thus don't see people as morally obligated to support them, so they're more open to view it as the other way around.

Side: conservative
FleshEaterUK(34) Disputed
3 points

Religion doesn't equate to morality; you don't have to worship a deity to be a good person. I know horrible religious people just as much as very nice religious people. And the same is true with non-religious people. It's ironic because if anything obligates people to be morale, it's religion and the bible.

Have you ever heard of the phrase: 'The whole is more than the sum of it's parts?' Well the same is true with society. I would always choose a well synchronized company over detached group of individuals who can't get along, just as much as I'd choose a lovely seaside villa over a heap of bricks and mortar.

Side: liberal
NotDepressed(49) Disputed
2 points

1) Conservatives are more religious, which is a given. Religious morality has and always will encourage charity. 100% NOT true. Liberals can be religious too.

Side: liberal
GuitarGuy(6095) Disputed
1 point

Aside from politics, liberals always seem to be down to earth people who think rationally and want to help each other out.

Yeah, that's the thing though. Liberals seem to only want to help other liberals.

Side: conservative
FleshEaterUK(34) Disputed
2 points

All that means we'd be better off if we were all liberal :)

Side: liberal
3 points

I am a liberal and I make no apologies. .

Side: liberal
GuitarGuy(6095) Disputed
2 points

I think it's funny that you are bisexual, pro-abortion and you want to "bang everyone like a screen door"... yet you are a Christian.

Side: conservative
LibPatriot(328) Disputed
2 points

Ad homeinem. Prochoice, bisexual liberals can know Jesus, and I do not want to have sex with everyone.

Supporting Evidence: You know no logic. ;) (yourlogicalfallacyis.com)
Side: liberal
libertyFTW(213) Disputed
2 points

Technically The Bible is pro-abortion but this argument is kinda insignificant to your point.

Side: liberal
2 points

I consider myself liberal or at the very least libertarian. From what I observe from the right on politics (though this doesn't apply to all republicans/conservatives) is that they seem to be strongly motivated by emotion/sentiment, where democrats are motivated by progression. I don't like how republicans represent themselves, of course that isn't a reason for them being wrong. I do agree with liberals on more social issues though, I don't know much about economic issues, however I haven't been convinced that republicans really exceed liberals on financial issues. If I did then I'd probably be a libertarian. However if it is true that republicans are more about the money, and democrats are more about the people, I'd have to say it is a no brainer that the people should be a higher priority than the money. A political stance that puts money above man doesn't make any sense to me. Considering money is only important because of man.

Side: liberal
Aunvre(10) Disputed
1 point

First off, I'd just like to mention that Liberal and libertarian views are two different ends of the spectrum.

Second, are you sure it's how Conservatives/Republicans represent themselves? Or is it how you favorite news station represents them? In complete seriousness, most major news stations are left-leaning, or completely left, for that matter. MSNBC, CNN, all those. Fox News is one of the few credible right-leaning news sources, and for that, they are shut out as misinforming by other news stations. So, chances are, as you have stated that you consider yourself to be liberal (for the most part), you most likely watch one of the left-leaning news stations.

Try watching Fox some time, and even some smaller, independent news sources some time. Sit back and watch the "facts" differ.

Side: conservative
LibPatriot(328) Disputed
2 points

Excuse me but you need to present a logical case against liberalism. I am waiting.

Side: liberal
zephyr20x6(2386) Disputed
1 point

First off, I'd just like to mention that Liberal and libertarian views are two different ends of the spectrum.

As I understand it, libertarianism is a compromise between liberalism and conservatism, the best of both worlds so to speak.

Second, are you sure it's how Conservatives/Republicans represent themselves? Or is it how you favorite news station represents them?

Try watching Fox some time, and even some smaller, independent news sources some time. Sit back and watch the "facts" differ.

That is awfully presumptuous don't you think? I could say the same thing to you and be equally justified, also let's see how well fox news represents republicans, Fox news ironically is EXACTLY what I am talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCD2wigqFUk

For the record I used to watch CNN from time to time, yes but I much prefer BBC as it is much less biased. To be honest though other than BBC I watched very little news, and what I am reffering to is the arguments I've heard and do hear by republicans in general (even friends) and some of the arguments I hear. Again I find it awfully presumptuous that you think I watch a lot of CNN, perhaps more than fox news but not a lot.

Side: liberal

Liberals do the right thing, pun intended. 1234567891011121314151617181920

Side: liberal

I'm a liberal because i care for other human beings and wish to allow basic human rights to all

Side: liberal
1 point

I have no idea how people can be ignorant enough to be conservative.

Side: liberal

I am a proud Liberal and so happy that I am one. Liberals are wonderful, benevolent people.

Side: liberal
1 point

I am a liberal because I believe progressivism is a virtue! I believe in social tolerance (legalizing gay marriage, abortion etc) I am discontent about the system. I am opposed to how the establishment works. Because I believe the security of the individual is more important than the security of authorities, that's one of the reasons I am opposed to the war on drugs. I believe in civil liberties. I believe isolationism is best for the well being of our national security and national securities worldwide! I am opposed to wiretapping/spying as well which is something both Democrats and Republicans fail to understand is wrong. I am a secular person and I oppose Republican theocracy! I believe in science and reality and believe that Climate Change is a real threat to the planet and I believe the government should get involved in it. I think the government should have a roll in making a better society and make life easier for people, I also think they deserve the financial authority they have to do it. I support the new deal which arguably created a middle class! And I believe regulative capitalism is the furthest system from hierarchy, the new deal kept capitalism away from its hierarchical roots and I say we keep it that way! I am a progressive because I believe that the world would be a much better place if all the people were living for today, as Thomas Jefferson once said "the living should be governed by the living, not the dead."

Side: liberal
5 points

I am a liberal conservative except when it comes to economic policy. I am a conservative all the way on economic policy. Oh, and I can't stand socialization of things like healthcare!

Side: conservative
libertyFTW(213) Disputed
5 points

Oh and I can't stand socialization of things like healthcare!

I don't see a huge problem with it, it gives over 3,0000 people health insurance! Also if you have a business there is really no need to worry about the individual mandate under the affordable health care act only businesses with 50+ employers have to give health insurance to their workers, this literally only effects 1% of businesses. So I don't really see a big need to panic about Obamacare, just relax and let it happen.

Side: liberal
GuitarGuy(6095) Disputed
7 points

I don't see a huge problem with it, it gives over 3,0000 people health insurance!

That's like me giving you a car and forcing you to make all of the payments, whether you wanted the car or not.

Side: conservative
tba07a(2) Disputed
1 point

Panic is necessary when the government is forcing you to buy something when you have the right not to. It's going completely against the Constitution that our Founding Fathers wrote. We follow this Constitution because it's the backbone of our Nation...it's what made our Nation so great back then. So...when the president/government tries to force us to do something that we are ENTITLED not to do...I'm going to panic a little bit.

Side: conservative
Intangible(4933) Disputed
3 points

But I thought being liberal basically meant that you are open to all opinions?

Which means if say you are liberal and conservative, then it really means you are a liberal that is open to the conservative ways.

So you're liberal basically.

Am I wrong? o.o

Side: liberal
LibPatriot(328) Disputed
2 points

Liberalism and conservatism are two different things. You are probably a centrist.

Side: liberal
NotDepressed(49) Disputed
1 point

No, no, no, you are not going to sit there and say that you are a liberal conservative. While it is possible to hold a centrist or moderate view with beliefs from both sides, liberals and conservatives are radically different.

Side: liberal
4 points

I'm fiscally conservative but for the most part more liberal on social issues. I do think women should have the right to choose regarding abortion. After all, they are the ones who will have to live with the consequences either way. And I really don't care if gay people want to subject themselves to marriage. After all, why should only straight people suffer? LOL I just don't think Churches should be forced to marry them, or businesses forced to provide services for their marriages if that would go against their biblical beliefs.

Side: conservative
3 points

America was built on conservative values; liberals want to transform us into everyone else.

Side: conservative
libertyFTW(213) Disputed
1 point

Our founding fathers were liberals! I rest my case.

Side: liberal
amylynn93(115) Disputed
1 point

How in the world were our founding fathers liberal? This country was built on capitalism, not socialism.

Side: conservative
Aunvre(10) Disputed
1 point

Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of what Liberalism has done to us today. All of them were deeply Conservative.

How about an example of one, keeping in mind most Liberal viewpoints on gun control and SOPA/PIPA:

"“The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve, nor will he ever receive, either.” - Benjamin Franklin

Side: conservative
orangepeel(188) Disputed
1 point

The founding fathers were classic liberals. Almost the opposite of modern liberalism.

Side: conservative
SexyBanana(306) Disputed
1 point

Freedom from religion, gay rights, etc are not conservative values.

Side: liberal
2 points

conservative. conservative............................................................

Side: conservative
1 point

I lean more toward liberal in social issues and conservative in the financial issues.

Side: conservative

So do I. That must be why we agree so often.

Side: conservative
1 point

Me too. We should start a club

Side: conservative
1 point

I tend to lean more to the right, but I don't think that party affiliation means much. It's more about the candidate. I just can't stand most liberals.

Side: conservative
libertyFTW(213) Disputed
1 point

I thought you said in another debate that you were bipartisan and would additionally defend liberals from conservatives if they become hostile.

Side: liberal
3 points

I would. I just think that liberals are assholes (no offense). If someone was attacking liberals, in the same manner that you were attacking conservatives, then I would definitely come to their aid... but I could only defend them for so long, because let's be honest... the liberal record isn't that great lol.

Side: liberal
1 point

Conservative.

Side: conservative
libertyFTW(213) Disputed
1 point

liberal .

Side: liberal
Srom(12201) Disputed
2 points

So?

Side: conservative
Aunvre(10) Disputed
0 points

Quit shitposing on the wrong side of the board. All you are doing is making yourself look like a dick.

Side: conservative
1 point

Very conservative!

Side: conservative
Warjin(1577) Disputed
4 points

I feel sorry for your wife .

Side: liberal
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

First of all I'm 17...

Secondly, if I was married, why would you feel sorry for my wife?

Side: conservative
Aunvre(10) Disputed
1 point

Liberals being douchebags to Conservatives for no good reason? Nothing out of the ordinary here.

Side: conservative
SexyBanana(306) Disputed
1 point

That is a shame, was it the fox news or were you just born that way?

Side: liberal
libertyFTW(213) Clarified
0 points

GOOD FOR YOU!

Side: liberal
1 point

Wow, a lot of people are online right now...

I'm a left leaning moderate.

Side: conservative
1 point

I'm a Libertarian Republican. The left, in my eyes, is an encroaching tide of socialism.

Side: conservative
libertyFTW(213) Disputed
3 points

The left, in my eyes, is an encroaching tide of socialism

How exactly is it an encroaching tide of socialism?

Side: liberal
LibPatriot(328) Disputed
2 points

You say that like it is a bad thing, comrade. ;)

Side: liberal
1 point

Republican libertarian, but Conservatism is still x10,000 better than Liberalism.

Side: conservative

If I stand by Classical Liberal principles, where does that put me?

Side: conservative