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Are you for or against zoophilia
I am a zoophilia and is fighting for my rights. I have a 2 year old german shepherd that I love and have sex with. I do everything that a normal wife would do to keep her partner happy. Please call me disgusting I am ok with that but I am not wrong I do more things to make him happy then my self.
It can be either way the person can be bad or good just like anybody else in the world. However whether they are a good or bad person should not usually be based on whether or not a foothills.
Zoophiles can be good or bad, but sex between humans and non-humans is rarely exploitative and was relatively common when people had better access to animals. Sex between species also occurs in nature.
Hang on. You said to me before that there is no equality in a relationship between pet and owner. How can this be 'rarely exploitative? I thought more your argument was that exploiting animals was not immoral.
Are you "protecting the animals" while digesting a cheeseburger?
Animal exploitation does not mean "unequal treatment". Animals don't care about equality. If you want to protect animals, you need to realize what their world looks like.
Are you "protecting the animals" while digesting a cheeseburger?
This isn´t about me. I don't claim to love animals.
Animal exploitation does not mean "unequal treatment". Animals don't care about equality. If you want to protect animals, you need to realize what their world looks like.
Well I'm glad we have established that zoophiles do not see their lovers as their equals. Then what exactly does animal exploitation mean to you?
Well I'm glad we have established that zoophiles do not see their lovers as their equals.
In my opinion, responsible pet owners are the masters of their pets, whether they acknowledge it or not. To me, exploitation in the context of animals means doing them more harm than good. If the pet suffers no pain in the act there's really nothing exploitative about it. The animal can't feel that it is being used or degraded. Instead, it may even receive pleasure from the attention it gets.
You're exactly right. Zoophiles can be good people. According to the logic that there is a gene that makes people homosexual, well there must be a gene to make someone a zoophile.
NOTE: I support neither. I just want to point out how stupid it is to support one and not the other. Love is love, right?
Zoophiles can be good people. According to the logic that there is a gene that makes people homosexual, well there must be a gene to make someone a zoophile.
And if you keep on that logic there is a gene that makes you heterosexual.
I just want to point out how stupid it is to support one and not the other. Love is love, right?
Your logic is ill applied and is too reductive since it applies to all relationships, you are just singling two out that you find disturbing.
Zoophilia/beastiality are not comparable to homosexual or heterosexual activity. There are obvious differences the major being different species then of course there is the issue of informed consent.
To be clear I do not support zoophilia, just pointing out your logic simply didn't work to differentiate it from heterosexual preferences either.
Homosexual are similar to zoophilia just like pedophiles but not the same. I still don't know why you keep using that informed consent because that should not apply between humans and animals just like alot of other things don't apply between humans and animals. Why should one thing apply but not the others and I am right because I went around everywhere seeing what informed consent means and it basically means risk/benefits. I agree somewhat that animals don't understand the list of risk/benefits to a act but it is fact that animals do know that there are risk/benefits to a act and that's all they need to know to make a choice to do the act or not.
Informed consent definition-permission granted in the knowledge of the possible consequences, typically that which is given by a patient to a doctor for treatment with full knowledge of the possible risks and benefits.
Homosexual are similar to zoophilia just like pedophiles but not the same.
Not at all the same. Homosexuals do not have a different species involved. Pedophiles involve children which can be any sexuality and involves the inability to form informed consent. Neither are comparable to homosexuality where it deals with being attracted to the same sex.
I am right because I went around everywhere seeing what informed consent means and it basically means risk/benefits...
Except you didn't go everywhere and it is apparent. You like to declare you are right often but offer no substance to back it up.
Once again, informed consent has to do with the ability to weigh risk/reward at adequate levels. Children and animals do not have the cognitive capacity nor the background knowledge to understand the issue well enough to consent.
You keep mis defining informed consent by saying it is to 'fully understand" and that is impossible because no one can fully understand anything.
Really there is no need for either of us to discuss this with any of you alt accounts either. You do not take any dictionary definition, legal definition or even common usage definition. You made a debate excluding all these things even just so you can keep your view.
You want your opinion to have as much weight as legal documents, scientific studies, even national veterinarian associates (all of which i linked to you to support my argument). Well your opinion doesn't trump those.
Are you saying pedophiles and homosexuals are not similar. And you are still missing my point why should informed consent make zoophilia illegal but not anything else or are you saying your a hypocrite. At least zoophilia are for animal rights and not for the cruel things that other people do to them. Why should one little thing make this good thing illegal?
I don't even know why I argue with people like you knowing that I live in a legal state. I have know reason to prove people wrong knowing that my state has already done that.
Are you saying pedophiles and homosexuals are not similar.
I said that explicitly. Pedophiles are attracted to children, this can be hetero or homo relationships and homosexual relationships are just those that are attracted to the same sex. If marriage becomes between adults then no such contract would allow children to marry adults or each other. It is obvious it is different.
And you are still missing my point why should informed consent make zoophilia illegal but not anything else or are you saying your a hypocrite.
Nonsensical argument is nonsensical. Things are illegal due to informed consent, like adults not having sexual relationships with children for instance, children cannot consent to medical procedures etc. No hypocrisy here.
At least zoophilia are for animal rights and not for the cruel things that other people do to them.
And other people who are for animal rights think what you are doing is cruel. In fact the national association of veterinarians I linked to you before thinks what you are doing is abuse. This is just you refusing other peoples measures again and saying yours is right without any warranting information or addressing the professionals stances.
Why should one little thing make this good thing illegal?
Because it is exploiting an animals lack of ability and the exploitation isn't for the good of the animal nor is it for the good of humanity.
Unless you have some data really we are just wasting each others time.
You forgot about alot of things like neutering or spaying and shots that takes informed consent. National nothing sites like that are formed just because they are supported by people that also thinks it wrong and they lie about things because they have the numbers of people to do it. Remember alot more people thought gays were wrong.
And don't forget this isn't just about humans view it's also about animals view too. Animals don't care about informed consent anyway there view that sex with anything is good. Zoophilia at least cares about there health and safety even if the animal doesn't care.
The exploitation isn't also for the bad of the animal nor is it for the bad of humanity and you can't take a advantage of something lack of ability unless your trying too. Zoophilia respect there animal and would not try to take advantage of anything. It's like saying human1 can't be with another human2 just because that human2 can't do something the human1 can.
Also lets make a scenario in saying you are right and it does become illegal in the hole world. So here that would be more bad then good because zoophilia and bestilty will still do it and there would be like 2 million more crime cases in the world and america and other countries don't have the space or money and supplies to deal with 2 million prisoners. It would be like D day but a 100 times bigger !!!
Also there will be alot of suicides and some of us will not go down with out a fight and that will mean killings. I mean I don't think you would want to be killed just because you split up love.
Also even for people that don't do the act again and don't commit suicide. What would you tell them on how to satisfy there sexaul feelings because you can't say live alone then your will be the wrong one and you can't say either find a human because most have already tried that.
Also if we could ever transform into animals would the public allow it and would we be accepted or would you people say that's wrong too.
You're exactly right. Zoophiles can be good people. According to the logic that there is a gene that makes people homosexual, well there must be a gene to make someone a zoophile.
NOTE: I support neither. I just want to point out how stupid it is to support one and not the other. Love is love, right?
Here is your original post. If a gene makes someone homsexual, and we agree a gene makes someone a zoophile, then a gene makes someone heterosexual.
We have just reduced it down to where it applies to all forms of sexuality.
I just want to point out how stupid it is to support one and not the other.
Then this is exactly the case when someone supports marriage between man and a women then, they are supporting one but not the others.
Thank you for your clarification! However, I want to clarify that I do not believe that a gene makes a person prone to either. You are completely correct in your logic, however that logic is based upon the assumption that there is a gene determines sexuality.
Why should we suffer just becuase you people don't know anything about animals. I know my dog loves it and I know he is happy. I have done more things for my partner then any of you people have done for your partner.
I don't know why you people hate zoophilia they are good people that would die for there animal. I think that it's nasty but I still am for them and there rights. I have spent alot of time with my friend and she takes her dog everywhere with her. They look so happy together.
I was young about 13 or 14 age I just found out that I had sexual feelings for animals. I thought about it more and more then I told my friend at school about how I feel. "She said your disgusting" Then I tryed to tell her that I was not going to rape a animal but she did not believe me so she told my parents. My parents was so mad they said "having sex with a animal is down right disgusting and wrong" I cryed so long in my room. I was afraid to show my self at school. I was lucky that my friend didn't tell anyone at school. I tryed to argue with her but she said again and again "it wrong and it is never going to be legal". And no matter how I didn't wanted to believe that but I did I believed what she said I was so so sad. I didn't know what to do with my life I cryed for so many days I wanted to kill my self so bad I was just to scared to do it my self I stayed that way for a long time.
I spent like five years hating my self I finely changed my mind and got up and started believing that I could be with something that I love. I mean how would you feel if you would told that you would never be with something that you love? I have worked so hard to be where I am and I hope you people understand what I went though to be with my dog. I have explained many different things over and over proving people wrong and I would keep doing it too.
You sound just like the homophobes. Your only reason is that having sex with a human is different than sex with an animal. If I said having sex with someone of the same sex is not having sex with the opposite sex that wouldn't get me anywhere. I was just asking because he said he has different brain chemistry just like homosexuals say. One thing that you kind of lead to is that we don't really see animals have sex outside of their species in nature, right?
Note: One of these dog fuckers pointed out that it is very similar to how the gays are being treated.
True I can't control my feelings but think of it has this would you want to have sex with a women that cares about you and respects you or would you want to be neutered and have people think of you as nothing more then just a house pet.
I feel like that more people make animals a lesser being and would make them nothing more then just a pet. And that if the animal was with a zoophilia it would be respected and would not just be a pet. Zoophilia make there animal a God to them and not just a pet.
The only way you become a lesser being is if you make your self one. Just because your strong and smart doesn't mean your any better or anymore of a being it's what you do with your ability that does.
I didn't say that you shouldn't have sex with lesser beings, just that they are lesser beings. A lesser being would be beings with less mental capacity than humans, so all of them.
Yes, I agree. I wasn't actually saying that. I was saying that you presented the same exact argument that homophobes use against homosexuals. That's all.
There are also ptotential diseases in humans on humans also there are inequality in humans on humans. It's like saying human1 can't be with human2 just because that human2 can't do something in the relationship that human1 can. There is no wrong inequally has long has that person doesn't take advantage of the other person.
Lets make a scenario in saying you are right and it does become illegal in the hole world. So here that would be more bad then good because zoophilia and bestilty will still do it and there would be like 2 million more crime cases in the world and america and other countries don't have the space or money and supplies to deal with 2 million prisoners. It would be like D day but a 100 times bigger !!!
Also there will be alot of suicides and some of us will not go down with out a fight and that will mean killings. I mean I don't think you would want to be killed just because you split up love.
Also even for people that don't do the act again and don't commit suicide. What would you tell them on how to satisfy there sexaul feelings because you can't say live alone then your will be the wrong one and you can't say either find a human because most have already tried that.
Just like I said you people have no heart and are not caring and not able to debate because you can't argee with anybody but your self. The only one that is wrong here is you and you should be locked up.
Yeah, I should be locked up for being a heartless bitch who opposes perversion and animal abuse. Shame on me. What was i thinking having my own beliefs and opposing animal rape? ;)
If you still think it should be illegal then reason with me on something that would help me satisfy my feelings in a different way like allowing me to build a animal robot or being able to watch animated animal pornography.
Your the law maker here and I hope you try to make it as fair and reasonable for me.
You realise that IP addresses are logged on this site right? The owner has a responsibility to report illegal activity and you have just admitted committing a criminal offence. I suggest you delete this thread pretty damn quick and post again, if you want, without incriminating yourself.
You realise that IP addresses are logged on this site right? The owner has a responsibility to report illegal activity and you have just admitted committing a criminal offence. I suggest you delete this thread pretty damn quick and post again, if you want, without incriminating yourself.
Point 1. If animals can't consent in the first place then all animal sex in history was rape. So why would it matter if we rape them? We are all animals anyway.
Point 2. If animals can't consent then everything we do to them should also be illegal also. How is chaining, killing, neutering, spaying, owning or asking/telling them something legal? When they can't consent to it.
Point 3. Anyway animals can consent in away we can understand. They can say yes or no by there actions. If the animal likes something it will do that something. If the animal doesn't like that something it would not do it. The animal will try to get away or make a sound that it doesn't want to do it. (Some people say the animal only does the action to please there master). You can say that but don't forget the master also does things to please there animal. Anyway zoophilia are not masters they are mates that would also do things they don't like to please there mate.
Point 1. If animals can't consent in the first place then all animal sex in history was rape. So why would it matter if we rape them? We are all animals anyway.
Point 2. If animals can't consent then everything we do to them should also be illegal also. How is chaining, killing, neutering, spaying, owning or asking/telling them something legal? When they can't consent to it.
Point 3. Anyway animals can consent in away we can understand. They can say yes or no by there actions. If the animal likes something it will do that something. If the animal doesn't like that something it would not do it. The animal will try to get away or make a sound that it doesn't want to do it. (Some people say the animal only does the action to please there master). You can say that but don't forget the master also does things to please there animal. Anyway zoophilia are not masters they are mates that would also do things they don't like to please there mate.
Point 1: It wasn't a human doing it.
Point 2. If animals can't consent then everything we do to them should also be illegal also. How is chaining, killing, neutering, spaying, owning or asking/telling them something legal? When they can't consent to it.
Killing should be banned. Per chaining, neutering, spaying, owning and asking and telling how does that hurt the animal?
If you want to ask me that then how does sex with them hurt them. Anyway chaining, neutering, spaying, owning and asking and telling them can hurt them because chaining could cause nick rash or can kill them because it could get stuck on something. And neuter and spaying can bring different diseases that can harm or kill them. And asking/telling them something could cause harm or even death.
Point 1: Saying that all animal sex in history is rape is why it is bad. It is rape, rape is bad. Humans can consent, so human sex isn't always rape. Plus animals have sex with animals is not against the law, animals can't follow the law.
You may need to rethink what you were going for here.
Point 1. If animals can't consent in the first place then all animal sex in history was rape. So why would it matter if we rape them? We are all animals anyway.
Have you ever see a male dog go after a female? (as if I need to ask, I suppose this is porn for you..) It is rape. Thankfully we do not apply human morality to animals.
Point 2. If animals can't consent then everything we do to them should also be illegal also. How is chaining, killing, neutering, spaying, owning or asking/telling them something legal? When they can't consent to it.
The topic of bestiality has been a taboo in our society for a long time but the stigma behind it isn't justified. All the latest science suggest that the majority of mammals are intelligent individuals and can enjoy sex just as much as we do. Studies on zoophiles and zoosexuals have only shown that they are misunderstood, understudied, and are a diverse group that functions well in society without a problem.
There are several common misunderstandings and bad perceptions about the subject of bestiality. Sex with animals CAN be abusive and cruel, but the same can be said for all other forms of sex. Often, the only time it is reported on is in the rare instance of an animal abuser that is caught molesting and harming an animal. So the publics perception is that the act only happens in an abusive and criminal context, when on the contrary, their are many more zoophiles in the world (that the public doesn't know about) that love their animal partners deeply and put their animal companions needs first.
First off animals are not robots. Behaviorism is an outdated way of explaining animal behavior that is not used anymore. Explaining away animal behavior as "just fallowing instincts" is oversimplifying the reality that these are complex and intelligent individuals each with their own unique personality.
Often they are compared to children because of their position in our society, and from hence we hear the argument that they can't consent and that sex with animals is akin to child abuse. The flaw in this argument is that while there are some similarities, the differences are much greater. Namely that adult animals can hunt for their own food, care for themselves, raise their own young and most importantly are sexually mature.
The other argument commonly used is that animals can't communicate and thus can't consent to sex. Anyone with any level of experience and awareness of other species should know this is false. Most all the species in the animal kingdom have some forum of language, and some have even learned some of our own. Just in the day to day action of a pet owner interacting with a dog sees volumes of information communicated through body language, behaviors and vocalizations. It requires communication for a dog to let you know when its hungry, needs to go to the bathroom, or wants to play. Why would this apply to every other behavior and interaction with animals except for sex?
Occasionally people cite health concerns as a reason bestiality should not be legal. Maybe that is because some people associate "lower" animals as dirty. The only likely risk is ticks, otherwise most kept animals are vetted for and kept clean. Because animal companions are a different species, there isn't a chance of getting pregnant, viruses and colds are usually too species specific, and human germs are far more dangerous to us then a canines germs.
For those who are worried about the welfare and rights of animals, we should look to the billions of meat and dairy animals that suffer systematic animal abuse and cruel methods of slaughter. Hunting of hundreds of thousands is allowed of almost every wild animal in the food chain (if they aren't already nearly extinct) and abandoned and unwanted domesticated animals die by the millions in shelters. Our focus should be on solving those problems instead of attacking a minority with an unpopular orientation.
Animals may not know math on the level we do, or be able to build homes to the hight our society does, but when it comes to personality, feelings, companionship and love, they are definitely our equals. So no, sex with animals is not wrong when the two sides are consenting and enjoying their relationship together.
I can tell you are now using a spell checker, problem is it won't catch mistakes like enemy's or my self.... the same exact mistakes Goodmale makes, but of course that's just a coincidence. ;)
Well, enemy's, my, and self are all words... that's why the spell checker didn't catch the mistakes. You should have used enemies and myself, but I'll cut ya some slack. Your dog was probably just licking himself and it got ya all hot and bothered.
Lol I didnt take it insultingly at all. Haha I was just being silly thats all dont mind me. Some of mu guy friends dont like it when me and my girls say it all the time either, bu its totes a habit.
You no doubt say that the dog consents. However, ask yourself - is there any way he could have objected? Presumably you bought him with the intention of having sex with him. Is it an equal relationship?
Why on earth should the relationship between a pet and his owner be equal? There's no such demand in meat-production for instance, but even as a complete vegan I must attest that this is nonsense. Animals do express themselves and most certainly object by trying to escape or defend themselves.
I don't force him to have sex with me I just put the choice out there for him when we get in bed. I think it's a equal relationship I try to make it equal the best I can.
You create that situation. He is an animal. It is like lying naked next to a toddler and not stopping them if they start tugging on your privates. The sexual assault is committed by an omission to stop the act.
A adult animal is not a toddler. Adult animals are sexual beings and Toddlers are not. Someone has to create the situation in odder for it to happen or not. Example a human asking another human if they want to date.
Yes it is wrong for inter-species mating not a natural thing, and come you don't have a lustful attraction so your brain isn't wired to want to have sexual relations with your dog through laws of attraction so it's basically using your dog to help you masturbate. and your reasoning is equivalent to saying hey cause people think murder is wrong doesn't mean it is because i don't feel it's wrong to kill people so why should it be illegal.
The topic of bestiality has been a taboo in our society for a long time but the stigma behind it isn't justified. All the latest science suggest that the majority of mammals are intelligent individuals and can enjoy sex just as much as we do. Studies on zoophiles and zoosexuals have only shown that they are misunderstood, understudied, and are a diverse group that functions well in society without a problem.
There are several common misunderstandings and bad perceptions about the subject of bestiality. Sex with animals CAN be abusive and cruel, but the same can be said for all other forms of sex. Often, the only time it is reported on is in the rare instance of an animal abuser that is caught molesting and harming an animal. So the publics perception is that the act only happens in an abusive and criminal context, when on the contrary, their are many more zoophiles in the world (that the public doesn't know about) that love their animal partners deeply and put their animal companions needs first.
First off animals are not robots. Behaviorism is an outdated way of explaining animal behavior that is not used anymore. Explaining away animal behavior as "just fallowing instincts" is oversimplifying the reality that these are complex and intelligent individuals each with their own unique personality.
Often they are compared to children because of their position in our society, and from hence we hear the argument that they can't consent and that sex with animals is akin to child abuse. The flaw in this argument is that while there are some similarities, the differences are much greater. Namely that adult animals can hunt for their own food, care for themselves, raise their own young and most importantly are sexually mature.
The other argument commonly used is that animals can't communicate and thus can't consent to sex. Anyone with any level of experience and awareness of other species should know this is false. Most all the species in the animal kingdom have some forum of language, and some have even learned some of our own. Just in the day to day action of a pet owner interacting with a dog sees volumes of information communicated through body language, behaviors and vocalizations. It requires communication for a dog to let you know when its hungry, needs to go to the bathroom, or wants to play. Why would this apply to every other behavior and interaction with animals except for sex?
Occasionally people cite health concerns as a reason bestiality should not be legal. Maybe that is because some people associate "lower" animals as dirty. The only likely risk is ticks, otherwise most kept animals are vetted for and kept clean. Because animal companions are a different species, there isn't a chance of getting pregnant, viruses and colds are usually too species specific, and human germs are far more dangerous to us then a canines germs.
For those who are worried about the welfare and rights of animals, we should look to the billions of meat and dairy animals that suffer systematic animal abuse and cruel methods of slaughter. Hunting of hundreds of thousands is allowed of almost every wild animal in the food chain (if they aren't already nearly extinct) and abandoned and unwanted domesticated animals die by the millions in shelters. Our focus should be on solving those problems instead of attacking a minority with an unpopular orientation.
Animals may not know math on the level we do, or be able to build homes to the hight our society does, but when it comes to personality, feelings, companionship and love, they are definitely our equals. So no, sex with animals is not wrong when the two sides are consenting and enjoying their relationship together.
Engaging in sexual acts with animals may cause certain diseases which are harmful to the human race. It is also a sign of physical abuse to the animal since it would likely to be forced into having sex with a human.
But it can still cause diseases with humans therefore must not be done. Prevention is always better than cure and viruses also evolve along with us. As per your statement you said that you had sex with your German shepherd and it would mean that you forced it to have sex with you. Animals are less likely to develop a sexual relationship with their master unless the latter forced them to. This can be also attributed to animal abuse which is against the law.
So should all humans should just not have sex because of diseases. The reason I did not force it is because he can say no to sex and also animals don't look at humans as master. I am also not the person that you are thinking of. It's not abuse because we don't force it on the animal and that the animal has a choice to say yes or no in the matter.
Inter-specie intercourse causes more diseases than regular intercourse therefore it is wise to choose the lesser evil. How can the animal say yes or no regarding the matter wherein animals have no voice of reason. They merely act upon instinct. Animals look at humans as their master or their superior being since humans are the alpha race.
It doesn't cause more disease if anything it causes less diseases. Animals can say yes/no by there body movements and actions etc. It doesn't matter if they act upon instinct or not because both party's are still having fun. It doesn't matter if we are superior they still do what they want.
You didn’t need to share your sex life with your German shepherd. He/she is probably suffering because of you.
You should go to a mental hospital. People like you are sickening!! You don’t care about anything but yourself! What does the dog think? Is the dog saying, “Yes, let’s canoodle.” Animals can’t consent. They only consent to their species. They definitely don’t consent to humans.
