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Debate Score:136
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Total Votes:155
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Are you proud to be an American?


Yes!

Side Score: 74
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No!

Side Score: 62
9 points

"Am I proud to be an American during this 2016 election?"

Yes and No. I have reasons for both.

I am not proud of Americans. Because if evolution has any validity, it would show proven as a science of declining, de-evolving, full circle of the rise and fall of mankind, as we evolve to be dense fools!

God created perfect balance. The fall put in the law of entropy decaying the heart and soul of mankind.

God made man to stand upright in His image, but man's constant descent is proving to be a never-ending fall.

I can't believe how unreasonable people have become. So, Im not proud of that.

The greatness of America was people side by side, not overtaking each other. We corrected from within. Win win negotiations with fairness in the middle.

As a people we respected each others freedooms and rights more than everywhere else in the world.

America began with everyone working together and building communities.

We were great because each individual's rights and boundaries were considered. The American idea or world view managed that individually according to the golden rule.

When we had to, we fought for rights and corrected wrongs. We fought, won fairly, and we actually fought FOR fairness.

But today, American rights are shoot, grab, and run! The WORLD VIEW changed!

This is not America.

So, I am not proud today to be an American.

But I am proud of individuals who are still American. So in that way I am proud to be an American.

Here is an interesting thing I noticed.

Christianity that built us is attacked in our society. An assault these days on faith, disloyalty for I think the first time ever toward Israel also.

From attacking the Bible, even discussions on changing its content. Sounds like we are entering the dark ages all over again. Lies in fields of academia about the Bible, even its reliability in its historic content.

Equally so America is persecuted by her own children and people of other nations demand our heritage yet burn our flag in our own streets! And our children, America, joins them.

Side: Yes!
Jace(4461) Disputed
4 points

At what point in American history, exactly, do you think we actually respected each others' freedoms and rights more than everywhere else in the world? When we practiced slavery, when women were disenfranchised, when we interned Japanese citizens without due process, when we criminalized sexual orientation as a private expression which harmed no one, etc? When was America this utopia of equality you believe existed?

Christianity certainly has influenced American history, but the democratic ideals the nation was built upon came from enlightenment era philosophy. Or did you never learn / forget that European monarchies at the time were also heavily Christian? The religion was the same across the nations in question, but the philosophy was fundamentally different and that is what made the critical difference (not religion). Also, get over yourself; religion is not "under attack" in America. People not sharing your faith and not accepting its imposition on their personal lives is not an attack on your faith; it's a repudiation of a religious attack on themselves.

Side: No!
3 points

Right before Columbus showed up. ;)

Side: No!
2 points

True. But we try to learn from our mistakes and right our wrongs. We haven't gone back to slavery. Women can now vote. We no longer intern Japanese citizens. Gays are allowed to marry. It's a slow process but it seems to be working ;)

Side: No!
KNHav(1918) Disputed
0 points

As a culture in society we did.

We didnt destroy our community baker over their faith.

We respected their freedom, and with freedom we chose anther baker!!

Side: Yes!
KNHav(1918) Disputed
0 points

The Bible self defines itself. And confirms itself by confirming facts by 2 or 3 witnesses.

So, an interpretation should be interpreted by itself. And the Bible is the truth of the reality so to speak.

So, the Bible is self defining. And all the events around us are interpreted by it! By it, the Word of God.

So you need to be more like Gideons 300 when drinking the water. Be alert with the Word in your hand and be ready to interpret all things by it!

He literally made the worlds by it. He litterally appointed our times by it. Our names are even in it somewhere. Because without it, NOTHING came into being.

He spoke His Word and then it was finished!

We have a copy of that Word in our hands, and the Spirit of truth drops the scales from our eyes, and we see men like trees walking about!

Even if a word or two was messed with in our manuscript. The Spirit leads us, these things are unclear to those who cant hear or see!

But the Spirit seals the elect from the flood of darkness and deception that has been poured out on this generation. This is TODAY'S "Spirit of the Age!"

Will He find faith on the earth? Jesus made this statement referencing particularly this final generation. Dense, like an unreasoning mind has been given to them.

We have to bind the strongman, which is the Spirit of this Age. The time is short!

Our warfare over darkened minds is with the Spirit of the Age ... deluded their minds.

Truth has been lieing dead in the streets.

God is breathing life into it and now its standing as a witness against them, and will begin to lead many to righteousness.

Then the witnesses will lie dead for 1260 days....

We have to lift up truth in the streets right now against the flood of deceptions. We need to expose the lies. Which God is doing by opening the Book like a scroll, and revealing mysteries from the beginning!

Every jot and tittle is everything ever ibserved from the beginning to the end.

And eternal life is beyond this heaven and earth.

This one will be done away with, as His Kingdom comes, and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven!!!!

See?

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Side: Yes!

A good, well thought out and presented post to which I'm in total agreement.

I particularly liked your comments;- respect for each other's freedoms and Americans being side by side.

Side: Yes!
2 points

Back in the day... now society is chewing off their leg like a rabid dog

Side: Yes!
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

Of what times are you referencing when you say that we respected each other's rights more than everywhere else in the world?

It was only last year ago that same-sex marriage couples were allowed to marry in all states, so we're making progress.

Of course, there's still hate crimes- some people are still very judgemental towards religious people, and others towards minorities.

While America isn't perfect, we've made a lot of progress recently in terms of equality.

"When we had to, we fought for rights and corrected wrongs. We fought, won fairly, and we actually fought FOR fairness."

Again, I ask what time period you are referencing.

Side: Yes!
Dermot(3099) Disputed
1 point

You say ......We were great because each individual's rights and boundaries were considered. The American idea or world view managed that individually according to the golden rule.....

That's absolute nonsense during the lifetime of many people still around blacks were considered of no more value than a beast of burden .

You then go on to bring Evolution into the debate and make another ridiculous statement by claiming we are ' de -evolving ( your word not mine ) Evolution is fact get over it and it has nothing to do with this debate .

America like all countries has gone through trials and there's more to come , when you get a country that recently put forward two of the most despicable individuals in the presidential race you wonder what's going on .

Ouside America almost no one believed Trump had a ghost of a chance but yet here he is acting as the glove puppet for Mike Pence a man who looks like a rabbit staring into a spotlight anytime he is asked a question that's a bit ' tricky ' , America should get ready to go back to 1950 with this religious nut calling the shots , he is totally against abortion , LGBT rights , public school funding , sceptical of climate change , opposed to any restrictions on assault rifles ,

Finance records from a 1990 run for congress show Pence who was 31 at the time used political donations to pay the mortgage on his home , his credit card bill , groceries ,golf tournament fees and his wife's car payment and of course he is deeply religious making him typical of a fair proportion of hypocritical believers .

People mention the threat posed by Muslims worldwide and the global threat from terrorist attracks not realising a bigger threat is waiting in the form of a world super power that has a sizeable proportion of incredibly scary hard line religious nuts who are attempting to flush a once great country down the drain .

Side: No!
KNHav(1918) Disputed
1 point

You are led by the propaganda perfectly. You could be a poster child example! I'm not sure if I should be impressed or scared of the total control executed so perfectly.

Side: Yes!
PhoenixHero(54) Disputed
1 point

America should get ready to go back to 1950 with this religious nut calling the shots , he is totally against abortion , LGBT rights , public school funding , sceptical of climate change , opposed to any restrictions on assault rifles.

Lol. You just said that the country will go downhill because the leader doesnt agree with you. Pity you arent the country. You are one guy.

Side: Yes!
5 points

Yes. But not out of blind patriotism, instead out of love for the Bill of Rights we are based on, and the diversity that makes us up. That's why after criticizing a member of this site I'll defend their ability to say whatever they want to say.

Side: Yes!
Jace(4461) Disputed
1 point

You mean the Bill of Rights which we've consistently ignored, violated, and abused throughout our history to oppress and suppress the liberties? I'm not saying there aren't worse countries, but I'm critical of the idea that the BoR is something to be especially proud of...

Side: No!
3 points

Yes, but I am ashamed that the next president of the United States had to be one of the two we were left with...Ugh

Side: Yes!
1 point

I have faith in our founding fathers and the system they created. The system was designed to protect against one man acquiring enough power to destroy the country.

Think of it this way. Let's say you have a family reunion. Some times people are just not themselves. They say and do things they may not necessarily mean. Some family members take his side and other family members take the other side. Everyone has an opinion. But no one moves into the house next door. Their action only reflects on them, not you. You'll probably invite them again next year. If for no other reason than the entertainment value ;)

Side: Yes!
3 points

Pride is a sin, but I love being an American............................................

Side: Yes!
2 points

I'm proud of my country in many many ways and stand by my country. But I'm also critical and will exercise my free expression when I think I need to. And that's the living essence of what it means to be a US citizen anyway.

Side: Yes!
2 points

Yes ! For all of those who voted no, get ready for the next Trump raid to be deported. Lol

Side: Yes!
1 point

Hell, yeah!!! The system works as intended. I am embarassed when the world sees the imature antics of our young liberals but hopefully they'll grow up to be mature, respectable, liberals. ;)

Side: Yes!
Jace(4461) Disputed
1 point

It's not just young liberal antics the world sees. Given the massive stock movements that followed Trump's victory, we can safely infer they saw the conservative antics as well. (And if you don't think Trump's populist pandering counts as antics I just can't reason with you.) :P

Side: No!
1 point

Yes, it is all very embarrassing. ;)

Side: No!
1 point

+I am proud of America as a nation. That does not mean I am proud of everything we do, or everyone in it. I was much more proud before Reagan, I actually liked the man, but, he did irreparable damage to this country and it may never fully recover ... not for a long time anyway. Many of those who rant about "wanting their country back" were too young to know what the country used to be. America always had its problems but we were working on them, and making a LOT of headway .... until the middle class was destroyed, and with it, the American dream! I see NO signs that it is returning. The second bad thing was the "Contract with America" a couple of idiots started and it has developed into political hatred that wont go away soon! My pride is waning, sorry to say, but I still have hope. This new President though..... I see little hope to "get MY country back", and be proud again.

Side: Yes!
1 point

even through all the trials THROUGH HISTORY there have always been backlashes!!! There will always be problems ad it'll never stop because no one is perfect you can't just list all the problems in the world because there are some good. Also this world can never be perfect and we are doing even better then some countrys so

Side: Yes!
1 point

Yes, I am and I always will be. Why should my pride in a country be determined by what other people do? The 46% of people who voted for Trump doesn't represent the 54% that didn't. I am proud of the other 54% (maybe not the ones who voted for Stein though or Harambe). America is a great nation and although it may not seem like it now, it is a land of freedom and liberty.

Side: Yes!
1 point

Anyone who isn't proud to be an American should get the fuck out of this great country.

Side: Yes!
1 point

Even if Hilary did win, I would still be proud to be American. I wouldn’t have like the fact that she won, but I would just simply have to get over it and live with it. I also think that Trump haters should get over with the election results and call him Mr. President.

Side: Yes!
1 point

Yes I am VERY proud to be an American ,because Trump is president now. And if you are American and not proud of it or ashamed of it can move to Iraq and be killed by Isis.

Side: Yes!
1 point

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Side: Yes!
1 point

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Side: Yes!
0 points

I don't think Ivanka would do that inside the magazine. Although she does have a very nice figure. I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I would be dating her.

Side: Yes!
0 points

I am proud to be an American because Donald Trump is President.

Also, America is the land of opportunities, if you work hard you succeed. America is also a free country. I like freedom.

Side: Yes!
Soraya(23) Clarified
1 point

Why do you like donald? Like do you have something against other rACES RO SOMETHING

Side: Yes!
Catmarcus(23) Disputed
1 point

I have a lot of things against ILLEGAL immigrants. (I don’t care what position they’re in, I care that they came in ILLEGALLY)

Side: No!
PhoenixHero(54) Disputed
1 point

I would argue with you, but your spelling is so bad, I dont even know what you said.

Side: No!

The only thing I'm proud of is being a child of God. Nothing else matters, compared to that. Not saying the other things aren't important, but what does any of it matter if you wind up in Hell? And if you know God, then all the good things in life will follow.

Am I proud to be an American? I'll answer with a question. What difference does it make? It's only a label. People are the same sinful, miserable, violent mobs they always are. No matter where they live. I am Proud of what America once was, but it is no longer the same America. We kill unborn babies by the millions, then allow murderers to keep their miserable skins intact. We dishonor everything that was once held dear. There is no accountability for our elected officials. Corruption is endemic. Don't think that Trump can fix anything. He can't. America's condition is the result of the populace, and we have lost our way.

If you're interested in why I think this way, GOOGLE "ten signs of a dying culture." America displays all ten symptoms. Something that has never happened in all of recorded history. The only thing that can save us is a miracle. And that will never happen unless Americans humble themselves and turn back to God.

Side: Yes!
3 points

Quite literally, half of this country supports persecuting myself or my loved ones on the mere basis of our personal identities and private behavior. The other half is largely indifferent or ignorant, and equally dogmatic in their own right. Compared to our economic and political counterparts we are less happy, less healthy, less educated, etc; we have more resources but don't use them effectively. What the hell is there to be proud of, exactly?

Side: No!
FromWithin(5136) Disputed
1 point

Do you get tired of spewing pure deception and rhetoric?

Tell me who these people are persecuting you.

Are you talking about people who do not agree with Gay agendas forcing every state to change their marriage laws?

You call that persecution? GET REAL! That's called standing up for our right's to dissagree with Big Brother political correctness.

Since Trump was elected, the rhetoric from people like you against half the nation that voted for him is fanatical. You are showing your extremist ideology and why Hillary lost!

Americans have a right to dissagree with issues you like, and this does not mean you are being persecuted!

Side: Yes!
Jace(4461) Disputed
1 point

You misunderstand me, and I probably should have been clearer. I absolutely do not think that most (or even many) people are out to get me. Nor do I think that disagreement is persecution. That's paranoid and ludicrous, I agree.

My objections are against laws (real and proposed) which target me on the sole basis of who I am. That qualifies as persecution, but if you want to call it something else feel free; I get that the word has been taken out of its strict meaning by people who use it frivolously. A majority of people support some law or another which I regard as constitutionally wrongful, and often the rest are ignorant and indifferent about it since it doesn't affect them directly (most of my issues aren't mainstream issues).

This also isn't partisan for me. There are laws I object to which come from the left. Case in point, gun regulation. I think it is unconstitutional to restrict the right to bear arms on the basis of prior mental health history. Mental illness doesn't actually dispose people to being more violent, and at any rate this strips a liberty away from people on mere suspicion of ill-intent which is not consistent with due process. It's personal to me because I have a history of chronic depression; this doesn't make me a danger to others and what I do with my own life is my own bloody business so I don't need big government violating my rights and justifying it with paternalism.

Finally: My views predate this election cycle, I've voiced them before now, and I'll continue voicing them when a liberal gets elected again down the road.

Side: No!

They never know who is "persecuting" them. What, are they wearing badges that self identify them?

Side: Yes!
1 point

It'd be easy as pie to find a country where it all leans against you. Wanna give it a go or stay here where it's safe?

Side: Yes!
Jace(4461) Disputed
2 points

Of course there are worse places to live. Nothing I said suggests otherwise, and naturally I'm not going to go somewhere that's worse. But that doesn't mean I have to be proud of a bunch of ignorant fools who feel the need to interfere with my personal life choices.

Oh, and if "it could be worse" is really your best argument for why America is something to be proud of then you really might want to inspect your position more closely: it's pathetically weak. Keep standing there and people might start to think you're an idiot.

Side: No!
pizzakitty(26) Disputed
1 point

That half the country does not persecute you, the side that you think are the ones not persecuting and supporting you are actually just favoring you so as to get your vote on their side. That is why if you recognize any "persecuted" person with any physical characteristic, even when it is not in a bad context, you are stereotyped as hateful and bad and therefore are hated by half the country. Essentially, if you do not worship these so-called persecuted groups, then you are a "persecutor" and and are persecuted yourself because of it. You are not proud to be an American because this country does not support your immoral hypocritical values and you cannot stand it.

Side: Yes!
Jace(4461) Disputed
1 point

As I already clarified at length to FromWithin and brontorapter...

(1) I never said half the country is persecuting me, but that half the country supports my persecution; there's a difference between engaging and condoning.

(2) I'm not using 'persecution' in the snowflake sense of the word; I mean it literally. I'm not against free speech; I'm hard-line anti-censorship and generally don't care what others have to say about me (or much else, really). I'm against legal policies that unconstitutionally single out persons.

(3) I don't go in for partisan politics, so I'm just as critical of the populist left. Case in point, gun regulation. I think its unconstitutional to restrict the right to bear arms on the basis of prior mental health history. Not only does mental illness not actually dispose to higher incidence of violence, but this sort of policy strips a liberty from people on the mere suspicion of ill-intent which is inconsistent with due process.

In short, you pegged me wrong. I'm not a liberal. I detest the populist left PC culture. The reason I'm not proud to be an American is because I'm disillusioned with humanity and don't feel compelled towards nationalism as a consequence. Why would I be proud of the products of mediocrity, particularly when they limit my autonomy?

Side: No!

I'm not American, and thank God for that :)

Side: No!
FromWithin(5136) Disputed
0 points

Thank God!............................................................................................

Side: Yes!

Yup :)

Side: No!
2 points

I am not proud to be an American. If I am American, I don't want to reveal it as I like to remain anonymous.

Side: No!
1 point

No sadly. when I was little I was so happy I lived because I saw all the good things we have. Now tho I see the bad to. there are so many things that went wrong with this country. Like separation of religion and state. Or how we enslaved people. Or how we're getting rid of a flag from our history. the people who built this nation wanted to build it off freedom to choose. To be independent. You cant even say your opinion any more, Freedom of speech? Please, we hardly have freedom of thought. I'm not proud of what my country has become. I'm not proud of what it was either. All in all, America will fall like every other nation in history. I wont fall with it and make the same mistakes it does.

Side: No!
AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
1 point

Why is separation of religion and state bad? Other than the fact that we're not really separating it properly... Having the state follow a specific religion would lead to a lot of segregation against those who don't agree with the state majority's belief system.

Side: Yes!
Jordan_leigh(1) Clarified
1 point

The separation of state and religion is a good because some people aren't religious. And like you said we have freedom of speech so we also have freedom of religion.

Side: Yes!
1 point

I recently moved to Canada when Trump was elected. I'll have fun laughing with Justin Trudeau while you get blown to bits with your arms war with Russia! Have Fun!

Side: No!
foratag(224) Clarified
1 point

I don't think Trudeau is laughing at the moment. I am sure he is still mourning his hero, Fidel Castro's death. Might want to give him another couple months to get over that.

Side: Yes!
1 point

Noooooo take me with you! I don't want to stay here with the annoying orange president!

Side: No!
1 point

Nah. I may be an American, but I've never loved this country nor it's people. I may love life, but America is nothing special.

Side: No!
HillarySucks(13) Disputed
4 points

America may have its downsides, but it is the best country in the world. You have the right to do whatever job if you work hard. You are free to speak against the government and the freedom to be whatever religion you want to be. Maybe some people are in this country that make it seem that America is not that great, but every country has its downsides.

Side: Yes!
AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
2 points

Best country in the world? In what way?

"You have the right to do whatever job if you work hard. You are free to speak against the government and the freedom to be whatever religion you want to be."

There are a lot of countries like that out there.

Side: No!
1 point

What makes me dislike america the most is it's people. Not everyone, but america is a nation with a high percentage of people with lesser moral standards and education. What keeps it as a leading nation is merely the top 1% who hoards money, and the millions of people who practically, unknowingly, act like guinea pigs doing the work to keep the nation running.

Side: No!
PhoenixHero(54) Disputed
1 point

That is directly related to the statistics that 1% of Americans are actually being responsible with their money. The other 99% are just running around buying everything they think is cool.

Side: Yes!
1 point

Not anymore. We have a country in which people are being shoved into poverty, suicide rates are soaring while there is a opiates epidemic. 90% of Americans are sucking wind financially. And our so called leaders? They couldn't care less.

Side: No!
1 point

Yes I am very proud. I am first-generation American. My parents and grandparents fled here from Armenia to escape the Armenian Genocide at the hands of the Turks. They became Naturalized citizens and believed without a doubt that America is the best country in the world. I honor them every time I vote and I ALWAYS vote. I am happy they are no longer here to witness the absurdity/evil of our current so-called prez and his likeminded thugs. I am very worried about our country and awaken each day wondering whether today will be the day DOOFUS DONNY triggers a nuclear war with his mouth.

Side: No!
1 point

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Side: No!
1 point

Well I guess my answer would have to be no but I am proud that I'm not American :)

Side: No!
1 point

Why would I be proud of something that I was born into by random luck. Whether or not America is great, I didn't do anything to earn being an American, so I have nothing to be proud of.

Side: No!
1 point

UGH! Even the statement "Proud to be an American" makes me sick. It's a motto that comes at the expense of other's lives and dignity. We have a habit of looking down on others and even calling ourselves the "superior nation" What nerve we have! Stupid platitudes like "Support our troops!" "Our troops fight so we can be free!" Who the hell is trying to come over and steal our freedom? Why is it a matter of supporting our troops, when it's the people above them telling them what to do, for their own interests, not the interests of troops. Sure there's reasons to be proud of being a citizen of this country, but not for the reasons that are mainstream and popular in our arrogant, and blind culture. We need humility, and I think it's coming.

Side: No!